DC: Garrett On Higher Camp Expectations Around Cowboys: “We Define Ourselves”

[JoeKing]

Still the same, high or low outside expectation do not matter, we have to define who we are as a team

If you really believe that you are either down playing or don't understand the role psychology plays in sports.

 

[Doomsday101]

If you really believe that you are either down playing or don't understand the role psychology plays in sports.

I understand it very well, those voices come from the outside not inside and this team does not need to listen to outside voices of how good or bad they may be. As players you as Coach Garrett said you define yourself by your play. Dallas did this before coming off 13-3 and listened to the praises and high expectation and played like crap. No team we play will be the same as they were last season nor is this team the exact same team as last season.

 

[JoeKing]

I understand it very well, those voices come from the outside not inside and this team does not need to listen to outside voices of how good or bad they may be. As players you as Coach Garrett said you define yourself by your play. Dallas did this before coming off 13-3 and listened to the praises and high expectation and played like crap. No team we play will be the same as they were last season nor is this team the exact same team as last season.

That answer tells me you don't, in fact understand modern sports psychology but are a talented BSer.

Today sports psychology looks at both extrinsic and intrinsic motivators. Extrinsic (outside) motivators are external rewards, such as trophies, money, medals or social recognition. Intrinsic(inside) motivators arise from within, such as a personal desire to win or the sense of pride that comes from performing a skill. Attention focus is another area of psychology that plays a great role in sports. The ability to tune out distractions, such as a crowd of screaming fans, and focus attention on the task at hand. "We define ourselves" addresses the effects that negative outside voices may have on the psyche but it does little to counter effects of the psyche when outside voices are giving positive feedback. You were correct in saying the team does not need to listen to outside voices but unfortunately the need to do so has little to do with the human psyche doing it none the less.

 

[Doomsday101]

That answer tells me you don't, in fact understand modern sports psychology but are a talented BSer.

Today sports psychology looks at both extrinsic and intrinsic motivators. Extrinsic (outside) motivators are external rewards, such as trophies, money, medals or social recognition. Intrinsic(inside) motivators arise from within, such as a personal desire to win or the sense of pride that comes from performing a skill. Attention focus is another area of psychology that plays a great role in sports. The ability to tune out distractions, such as a crowd of screaming fans, and focus attention on the task at hand. "We define ourselves" addresses the effects that negative outside voices may have on the psyche but it does little to counter effects of the psyche when outside voices are giving positive feedback. You were correct in saying the team does not need to listen to outside voices but unfortunately the need to do so has little to do with the human psyche doing it none the less.

Yes sir if you say so. Forgive me I did not know you were a motivator of men. Just based on comment you make one can see how a person may not take you as a motivational expert.

 

[JoeKing]

Yes sir if you say so. Forgive me I did not know you were a motivator of men. Just based on comment you make one can see how a person may not take you as a motivational expert.

Attacking the messenger is never a good substitute for countering a message unless that is your last resort. You can do better, good sir.

 

[Doomsday101]

Attacking the messenger is never a good substitute for countering a message unless that is your last resort. You can do better, good sir.

Your comment.
That answer tells me you don't, in fact understand modern sports psychology but are a talented BSer.

So don't give me the attacking messenger BS.

I think Garrett knows how to motivate his players and has shown this, even lesser talented teams played hard never quitting. You come off as some motivational expert?

 

[DFWJC]

I agree, last years 12-4 is not a given for this season. Guys have to come in put last season behind them and work hard to have a chance to achieve their goals

I'm generally more optimistic than not (ex. Thought last year's team would improve vs 2013) but I'll be pretty shocked if our actual record this year is 12-4 or better.
Hope so!
But when I look at how the games line up--who we play, where, and on how much rest--I see a couple of unexpected losses.

The team could be better but have less regular season wins.
As long as we win the Division I don't care if the record is as good.

 

[JoeKing]

Your comment.
That answer tells me you don't, in fact understand modern sports psychology but are a talented BSer.

So don't give me the attacking messenger BS.

I think Garrett knows how to motivate his players and has shown this, even lesser talented teams played hard never quitting. You come off as some motivational expert?

I would agree with your statement, "Garrett knows how to motivate his players...". I never said anything to the contrary. Your characterization of how I "come off" is personalizing the conversation in a manner that is not appropriate in this forum. If you found something objectionable in my original statement, perhaps you should reread it and reassess your response to it. I did not say Garrett was wrong in what he said. I questioned if his message will have continued success in light of their success last year. It very well could, I don't know.

 

[Doomsday101]

I would agree with your statement, "Garrett knows how to motivate his players...". I never said anything to the contrary. Your characterization of how I "come off" is personalizing the conversation in a manner that is not appropriate in this forum. If you found something objectionable in my original statement, perhaps you should reread it and reassess your response to it. I did not say Garrett was wrong in what he said. I questioned if his message will have continued success in light of their success last year. It very well could, I don't know.

Yes and I indicated that I felt it was the message that would resonate with the players. Yet you then come in saying well I don't understand sport psychology yet now say you don't know if this message will work and yet agree Garrett knows how to motivate. So let me get this right he knows how to motivate yet when I agree with his statement you tell me I don't know. lol

Whatever guy, I'm sure you are an expert in this field. lol

 

[JoeKing]

Yes and I indicated that I felt it was the message that would resonate with the players. Yet you then come in saying well I don't understand sport psychology yet now say you don't know if this message will work and yet agree Garrett knows how to motivate. So let me get this right he knows how to motivate yet when I agree with his statement you tell me I don't know. lol

Whatever guy, I'm sure you are an expert in this field. lol

What's with the attitude? I think we both appreciate Garrett's message at face value. I simply pointed out a nuance in modern sports psychology philosophy that might point to a flaw in the message now that the team has had some limited success. It was circumspective in tone, not meant to be confrontational what so ever.

 

[jobberone]

"each and every"

Does not the word "each" cover every?

And does not the word "every" cover each?

Each day = one day

Everyday = hmmm, every day

Class dismissed.

 

[jobberone]

When did "glory" become a banned word?

It didn't.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Each day = one day

Everyday = hmmm, every day

Class dismissed.

Redundant = not necessary, nor good use of the English language.

Now class is dismissed.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Redundant = not necessary, nor good use of the English language.

Now class is dismissed.

Each implies a discrete set while every is a universal. They are not the same. It's the difference between infinite division and all that is in between. This day and all days.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Each implies a discrete set while every is a universal. They are not the same. It's the difference between infinite division and all that is in between. This day and all days.

Each day = Every day.

If you do something EVERY day, arent you doing it EACH day?

And if you do it EACH day, wouldnt that be EVERY day?

Class dismissed.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Each day = Every day.

If you do something EVERY day, arent you doing it EACH day?

And if you do it EACH day, wouldnt that be EVERY day?

Class dismissed.

Words have all manner of of sense/meaning and depend heavily on context. Ultimately the speaker gets presumption not you or I.

Time can be considered in two different ways. One is as the total set of all moments in time. The other is as a continuum. Time is also famously relative. The distinction makes complete sense to me given those two very famous paradigms.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Words have all manner of of sense/meaning and depend heavily on context. Ultimately the speaker gets presumption not you or I.

Time can be considered in two different ways. One is as the total set of all moments in time. The other is as a continuum. Time is also famously relative. The distinction makes complete sense to me given those two very famous paradigms.

Words still mean what they mean no matter how anybody uses them. And yes context is crucial. The simple point is that the phrase "each and every" is an unnecessary redundancy. Just because a myriad of people use it all the time doesnt change the fact that it is redundant.

Whats next, you'll tell me that when people say "irregardless" that because its so commonly said it is a good thing?

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Stack good days on good days /garrettspeak

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Words still mean what they mean no matter how anybody uses them. And yes context is crucial. The simple point is that the phrase "each and every" is an unnecessary redundancy. Just because a myriad of people use it all the time doesnt change the fact that it is redundant.

Whats next, you'll tell me that when people say "irregardless" that because its so commonly said it is a good thing?

I just gave you another interpretation and you ignored it. Instead you made up a couple strawmen.

Is everything the same on each one? nope. it seems to change.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I just gave you another interpretation and you ignored it. Instead you made up a couple strawmen.

Is everything the same on each one? nope. it seems to change.

They're strawmen when you dont like them . . . . . . . . . .