Deal with it — Tom Brady and the Patriots are cheaters (Et Tu Boston Globe)

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I thought it was a good article, especially since it was from the Boston Globe.
 

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Dan Shaughnessy's byline pic for the article

Imao! I do not regularly read the Boston Globe. Are clipart headshots used by columnists for the publication? Or is he already in witness protection hiding his identity?
 

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I disagree with him that it is worse than SpyGate.

I think SpyGate was more beneficial and a blatant way of cheating. They had guys dressed up as innocent cameramen on the opponent's sideline for crying out loud.

I think it was so bad that the NFL knew this. Remember, this was coming off the brink of the Tim Donaghy betting scandal. The NFL knew this and decided to destroy all evidence, immediately.

That along with the Patriots' success helped take some of the sting off the SpyGate. Although one could point to the Patriots' defense becoming noticeably worse after SpyGate was revealed and the accusations from teams stating that they felt that their radio signals were tampered with in previous years at Foxboro. I think success often breeds more success. Opposing teams started believing in the "Patriot Way" and started hiring Patriots assistant coaches and trading for Patriots players and almost all of them ended up being colossal busts. Charlie Weiss and Romeo Crennel were genius assistants that were flat-out duds as head coaches. And by the time SpyGate was uncovered, they got Randy Moss in a steal and Wes Welker in a steal. And they were starting to cheat by deflating the footballs.

I think in all likelihood Brady knew what was going on with SpyGate and since the Patriots were never really punished (they lost a 1st round pick when they already had a 1st round pick and Belichick was given a pay raise immediately after his $1 million fine)...I think that weighed into things. They also couldn't put the onus on Belichick, but I'm certain he knew since he wrote the foreword to a book called FOOTBALL PHYSICS which dealt with things like changing the properties of a football and how it affects the aerodynamics.

Goodell knew that he couldn't suspend Brady for more than 4-games and get away with it. I think if he tried to suspend him for more than 4-games, he would have likely lost the case and be forced to reduce the suspension. But given CBA guidelines for conduct, 4-games works just fine and I really don't think the Patriots have a leg to stand on. However, you never know when lawyers get involved.

I think it besmirches the entire organization. They got caught cheating again and tried to cover up the evidence, again. They fired one of the employees and they tried to go after Matt Walsh who was no longer with the team and living in freaking Hawaii. They tried to make Walsh look like a liar despite the fact that THEY lied EVERY SINGLE STEP OF THE WAY. And remember, it wasn't too long ago that Kraft claimed he would accept whatever punishment the NFL handed the Patriots.

It's nice to see that Kraft, a notoriously known scumbag in business dealings behind the scenes, is started to be depicted as just that. He's not a good person.





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I disagree with him that it is worse than SpyGate.

I think SpyGate was more beneficial and a blatant way of cheating. They had guys dressed up as innocent cameramen on the opponent's sideline for crying out loud.

I think it was so bad that the NFL knew this. Remember, this was coming off the brink of the Tim Donaghy betting scandal. The NFL knew this and decided to destroy all evidence, immediately.

That along with the Patriots' success helped take some of the sting off the SpyGate. Although one could point to the Patriots' defense becoming noticeably worse after SpyGate was revealed and the accusations from teams stating that they felt that their radio signals were tampered with in previous years at Foxboro. I think success often breeds more success. Opposing teams started believing in the "Patriot Way" and started hiring Patriots assistant coaches and trading for Patriots players and almost all of them ended up being colossal busts. Charlie Weiss and Romeo Crennel were genius assistants that were flat-out duds as head coaches. And by the time SpyGate was uncovered, they got Randy Moss in a steal and Wes Welker in a steal. And they were starting to cheat by deflating the footballs.

I think in all likelihood Brady knew what was going on with SpyGate and since the Patriots were never really punished (they lost a 1st round pick when they already had a 1st round pick and Belichick was given a pay raise immediately after his $1 million fine)...I think that weighed into things. They also couldn't put the onus on Belichick, but I'm certain he knew since he wrote the foreword to a book called FOOTBALL PHYSICS which dealt with things like changing the properties of a football and how it affects the aerodynamics.

Goodell knew that he couldn't suspend Brady for more than 4-games and get away with it. I think if he tried to suspend him for more than 4-games, he would have likely lost the case and be forced to reduce the suspension. But given CBA guidelines for conduct, 4-games works just fine and I really don't think the Patriots have a leg to stand on. However, you never know when lawyers get involved.

I think it besmirches the entire organization. They got caught cheating again and tried to cover up the evidence, again. They fired one of the employees and they tried to go after Matt Walsh who was no longer with the team and living in freaking Hawaii. They tried to make Walsh look like a liar despite the fact that THEY lied EVERY SINGLE STEP OF THE WAY. And remember, it wasn't too long ago that Kraft claimed he would accept whatever punishment the NFL handed the Patriots.

It's nice to see that Kraft, a notoriously known scumbag in business dealings behind the scenes, is started to be depicted as just that. He's not a good person.

YR

That was my take-away when I read the article at first. You really can't say this is worse than Spy-gate, because the league covered it up with Spectre breathing down their necks. At the same time, what makes Deflate-gate even worse is precisely because of Spy-gate, showing that they never stopped their cheating ways on a systematic level.
 

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For an organization that likes to portray itself as being smarter than everyone else, and more holy than thou than anyone else, they sure get caught a lot.

Spygate was serious, and provided real potential advantages, especially if they recorded walkthroughs of opposing teams.

For this instance, they could have slaughtered the Colts by three touchdowns if they played the game with medicine balls. Monumentally stupid obsession with details that ultimately didn't matter in the game.

Personally, I think deflate-gate is not a big deal. Every team in the league is doing something to gain an edge. This is why teams gameplan, review opposing film looking for any small detail, and grill members of their team who played for another organization about how that team runs. Teams try to break signals all the time - the Patriots just take it to levels that can't be justified.

For all of the Patriot defenders, and Robert Kraft, there are two questions that need to be answered if they are REALLY innocent here:
  1. Why did Jim McNally take the balls from the officials locker room without their knowledge, stop in a washroom, and then go straight to the field with the balls despite protocols requiring the officials to be in possession of the footballs?
  2. Why did Tom Brady destroy his cell phone used during the time period in question on or around the day of his meeting with Ted Wells? Especially when his prior cell phone was still in tact?
The cloak and dagger MO of the organization as a whole is coming back to bite them. If they really wanted to penalize them, they should be forced to terminate Ernie Adams from their org. Watch Belichick have a fit over that one.
 

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For all of the Patriot defenders, and Robert Kraft, there are two questions that need to be answered if they are REALLY innocent here:
  1. Why did Jim McNally take the balls from the officials locker room without their knowledge, stop in a washroom, and then go straight to the field with the balls despite protocols requiring the officials to be in possession of the footballs?
  2. Why did Tom Brady destroy his cell phone used during the time period in question on or around the day of his meeting with Ted Wells? Especially when his prior cell phone was still in tact?
Did you read Robert Kraft's statement today?
Robert Kraft said:
Yesterday’s decision by Commissioner was released in a similar manner, under an erroneous headline that read, “Tom Brady destroyed his cellphone.” This headline was designed to capture headlines across the country and obscure evidence regarding the tampering of air pressure in footballs. It intentionally implied nefarious behavior and minimized the acknowledgement that Tom provided the history of every number he texted during that relevant time frame.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/29/robert-kraft-tees-off-on/
According to Kraft, it wasn't necessary for Brady to surrender his cellphone to convey information it may have contained related to the investigation. It was only necessary for Brady to state what was on his cellphone. It is universally accepted that whatever Brady says is beyond scrutiny or debate because his character is unquestionably honest. So you see, the destruction of the cellphone is an immaterial consequence of the whole affair.

Now that I have typed this, I'm going to keep checking for more ****, excuse me, revelations the Patriots organization wishes to shovel.
 

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Did you read Robert Kraft's statement today?

According to Kraft, it wasn't necessary for Brady to surrender his cellphone to convey information it may have contained related to the investigation. It was only necessary for Brady to state what was on his cellphone. It is universally accepted that whatever Brady says is beyond scrutiny or debate because his character is unquestionably honest. So you see, the destruction of the cellphone is an immaterial consequence of the whole affair.

Now that I have typed this, I'm going to keep checking for more ****, excuse me, revelations the Patriots organization wishes to shovel.

Well, that makes sense.

If you live in the Bizarro World.
 

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Please. Give up. It’s time for local loyalists to parachute down from Planet Patriot and get in touch with reality. Stop twisting yourselves into knots to justify the petty crimes and coverups of the Patriots and their quarterback.
 

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Did you read Robert Kraft's statement today?

According to Kraft, it wasn't necessary for Brady to surrender his cellphone to convey information it may have contained related to the investigation. It was only necessary for Brady to state what was on his cellphone. It is universally accepted that whatever Brady says is beyond scrutiny or debate because his character is unquestionably honest. So you see, the destruction of the cellphone is an immaterial consequence of the whole affair.

Now that I have typed this, I'm going to keep checking for more ****, excuse me, revelations the Patriots organization wishes to shovel.

They said they provided a list of phone numbers that Tom texted. It was up the NFL to track them all down and convince them to rat out Brady without subpoena powers.

If they couldn't make Brady comply why would Teddy Bruschi, for example, do so?
 

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They said they provided a list of phone numbers that Tom texted. It was up the NFL to track them all down and convince them to rat out Brady without subpoena powers.

If they couldn't make Brady comply why would Teddy Bruschi, for example, do so?
I have zero expectations that anyone connected with the Patriots organization will comply willingly with any entity, including the court. The whole affair has the potential for getting way uglier than it needed to be.
 

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I have zero expectations that anyone connected with the Patriots organization will comply willingly with any entity, including the court. The whole affair has the potential for getting way uglier than it needed to be.

And at this point it is due to one person - Tom Brady. The team was willing to cut their losses and take the NFL punishment and move on. Brady wasn't because doing so is admitting he lied through his teeth. His perfect image is precious to him, unlike Belichick who doesnt care what anyone thinks of him.

If Kraft doesn't back him up now Brady knows where all the bodies are buried so Kraft had to come up with his convoluted public statement to go along with Brady dragging this out.
 

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A more approiate picture would be a Patriots fan sticking their head in the sand.
Maybe up on Cape Cod...
Near Province town.
 
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