Defensive Holding has become a Good Strategy

[noshame]

While I understand the OPs point, I don't really see the passing game suffering.

 

[bark]

Speaking of... Did anyone see Sean Peyton turn down the def holding call last nite that would have given a first and ten and accept the off sides that gave them first and 5.
There were two penalties on the play and they took the offsides and wound up punting

 

[Hoov]

What i am seeing is that most of the time the refs wont call a little grabbing and shoving provided that you dont do 2 things. Dont doit when the ball is on the way so let go in time for the wr to make a play, if you are not impeding the wr ability to reach and grab the ball they seem to let it go. And second, dont hold or tug so hard that it noticeably changes the wr direction or speed so that it is an obvious impedement of him running his route. If its a go route and he is getting up to speed then nearly stopped they are going to throw the flag. But if its done just a little so the Dback can make up a step and keep pace i dont see it getting called, especially if it happens before the ball is thrown which would be early in the wr route.

 

[remdak]

Speaking of... Did anyone see Sean Peyton turn down the def holding call last nite that would have given a first and ten and accept the off sides that gave them first and 5.
There were two penalties on the play and they took the offsides and wound up punting

Are you saying Peyton made a mistake? Wouldn't you rather have 1st and 5 rather than 1st and 10? If they couldn't get 5 yds, that's their fault. Either way, they would have punted.

 

[Risen Star]

I don't know what NFL he's watching. Defensive backs can't sneeze on a WR without risking a flag. They are less physical today than they were 20, even 10, years ago.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

Don't recall which game I was watching, but the def. lineman was obviously off-sides which gave the other team the old "free play" bomb. The DB recognized this so he just blatantly held his guy at the line of scrimmage. Since they were going to get the 5 yards and a first down anyway, he didn't want to give up a longer play. Smart thinking on his part.

 

[Risen Star]

Speaking of... Did anyone see Sean Peyton turn down the def holding call last nite that would have given a first and ten and accept the off sides that gave them first and 5.
There were two penalties on the play and they took the offsides and wound up punting

Who wouldn't take 1st and 5 over 1st and 10?

 

[BigStar]

While I understand the OPs point, I don't really see the passing game suffering.

I think a lot of posters are missing that T-Ro is saying we should institute the same strategy, he isn't complaining about it occurring against us in any manner?

 

[bark]

Who wouldn't take 1st and 5 over 1st and 10?

I said that wrong. His choice was take the offsides and have second and three or accept the def holding and get 1st and ten. Both netted 5 yds. But one gave you the first . He took second and three and wound up punting

 

[Risen Star]

I said that wrong. His choice was take the offsides and have second and three or accept the def holding and get 1st and ten. Both netted 5 yds. But one gave you the first . He took second and three and wound up punting

I'd probably take 2nd and 3 too.

 

[Future]

Unless you want to see offenses throw for 500 yards every game. Teams won't even need to run the ball if DBs can't even touch WRs

That's exactly what they NFL wants.

P.S. Orlando Scandrick already does hold every play. So there's that.

 

[T-RO]

I think a lot of posters are missing that T-Ro is saying we should institute the same strategy, he isn't complaining about it occurring against us in any manner?

Actually I'm saying both things. With the rules as they are...and the calling of the games as it is: yes, we should be bumping, pushing, redirecting and grabbing. And that certainly can't be done playing in a zone!

 

[DFWJC]

They were mugging Steve Smith near the LOS last night. Dragging him down to the crowd, blind-site crushing him, doing everything they could get away with in the 5 yard zone.
I know contact is legal in that zone, but not some of the stuff the Saints were getting away with. I don't blame them though; if they let you do it , then do it.

 

[xwalker]

As the game has evolved in the past few years it seems like cornerbacks hold, push, grapple and redirect on most every down. The ones playing for Seattle and San Francisco certainly do.

And if you think about it...it's good strategy with the rules set up as they are.

If you hold on every down...officials will quickly let it slide. You simply won't find an official willing to call that penalty more than 5 or 6 times a game (against one side).

And the penalty is only five yards when you do get caught! That' s hardly even a slap on the wrist. Sure it's an automatic first down, but that's far better than giving up a 10 or 20 yard completion.

The league needs to address this. As it stands smart defensive coaches and players are completely abusing the holding rules with immunity.

It is definitely better to get called for holding than to get called for pass interference.

DBs really need to study film to determine what they can get by with and what they can't. It varies with officials.

The thing that is really not being called these days is holding by the OLine. The NFL wants to protect QBs and is allowing OLinemen to mug defensive linemen. I think this is contributing to the problems with the Kiffin/Marinelli scheme. The smaller but quicker DLinemen that they prefer are more affected by holding than the big power guys like Dontari Poe.

Again, OLinemen really need to study what is or is not getting called. It seems that holding is more likely to be called in the red zone.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

I don't know what NFL he's watching. Defensive backs can't sneeze on a WR without risking a flag. They are less physical today than they were 20, even 10, years ago.

Agreed. They didn't call Lester Hayes "Lester the Molester" because of some off field perversion.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Bottom line is that offenses don't need any more help. The rules are already slanted in offenses favor. I hate the ticky tack calls on DBs and don't want to see anymore.

Olineman hold every play but it doesn't get called either.

 

[Primetime42]

they only call it "5 or 6 times a game"

Thats a excellent strategy, General Patton!

Richard Sherman does it nonstop, and people call that guy the best CB in the game.

Whatever works, I guess.

 

[Blackspider214]

Patriots pretty much won Super Bowls off this strategy. They got away with massive amounts of holding and PI in their run they had. Especially in those Colts playoff games.

It sucks seeing the league how it is now where these defenses pretty much can't breathe on an offensive player. It seems much easier to drive the ball down the field now than it did in the past. It's not even fun to watch at times. And these refs don't make it any better with their horrible and biased looking calls.

Pretty much any pass that is not caught and a defender was in a yard of the WR, they turn and beg for a flag.