Defensive & Special Teams Pro-bowl voting: 3 Cowboys in Top 5

[perrykemp]

Rolando McClain, Barry Church on defense and Jeff Heath on ST.
Defensive ends:

1. J.J. Watt, Houston Texans
2. DeMarcus Ware, Denver Broncos
3. Cameron Wake, Miami Dolphins
4. Everson Griffen, Minnesota Vikings
5. Mario Williams, Buffalo Bills
6. Willie Young, Chicago Bears
7. Ezekiel Ansah, Detroit Lions
8. Chandler Jones, New England Patriots
9. Rob Ninkovich, New England Patriots
10. Jason Pierre-Paul, New York Giants

Defensive tackles:

1. Marcell Dareus, Buffalo Bills
2. Muhammad Wilkerson, New York Jets
3. Ndamukong Suh, Detroit Lions
4. Sheldon Richardson, New York Jets
5. Jurrell Casey, Tennessee Titans
6. Gerald McCoy, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
7. Vince Wilfork, New England Patriots
8. Henry Melton, Dallas Cowboys
9. Stephen Paea, Chicago Bears
10. Haloti Ngata, Baltimore Ravens

Inside linebackers:

1. Luke Kuechly, Carolina Panthers
2. C.J. Mosley, Baltimore Ravens
3. Lawrence Timmons, Pittsburgh Steelers
4. Karlos Dansby, Cleveland Browns
5. Rolando McClain, Dallas Cowboys
6. A.J. Hawk, Green Bay Packers
7. D'Qwell Jackson, Indianapolis Colts
8. Paul Worrilow, Atlanta Falcons
9. Brian Cushing, Houston Texans
10. Bobby Wagner, Seattle Seahawks

Outside linebackers:

1. Von Miller, Denver Broncos
2. Justin Houston, Kansas City Chiefs
3. Elvis Dumervil, Baltimore Ravens
4. Lavonte David, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5. Clay Matthews, Green Bay Packers
6. Julius Peppers, Green Bay Packers
7. Connor Barwin, Philadelphia Eagles
8. DeAndre Levy, Detroit Lions
9. Ryan Kerrigan, Washington Commanders
10. Anthony Barr, Minnesota Vikings

Cornerbacks:

1. Darrelle Revis, New England Patriots
2. Aqib Talib, Denver Broncos
3. Kyle Fuller, Chicago Bears
4. Richard Sherman, Seattle Seahawks
5. Leodis McKelvin, Buffalo Bills
6. Patrick Peterson, Arizona Cardinals
7. Brent Grimes, Miami Dolphins
8. Prince Amukamara, New York Giants
9. Joe Haden, Cleveland Browns
10. Antoine Cason, Carolina Panthers

Free safeties:

1. Tashaun Gipson, Cleveland Browns
2. Earl Thomas, Seattle Seahawks
3. Eric Weddle, San Diego Chargers
4. Harrison Smith, Minnesota Vikings
5. Barry Church, Dallas Cowboys

Strong safeties:

1. Kam Chancellor, Seattle Seahawks
2. Troy Polamalu, Pittsburgh Steelers
3. Antrel Rolle, New York Giants
4. Antoine Bethea, San Francisco 49ers
5. Morgan Burnett, Green Bay Packers

Punters:
1. Sam Koch, Baltimore Ravens
2. Thomas Morstead, New Orleans Saints
3. Tress Way, Washington Commanders
4. Ryan Allen, New England Patriots
5. Pat McAfee, Indianapolis Colts

Special teamers:

1. Matthew Slater, New England Patriots
2. Jarrett Bush, Green Bay Packers
3. Jeff Heath, Dallas Cowboys
4. David Bruton, Denver Broncos
5. Robert Golden, Pittsburgh Steelers

 

[xwalker]

T. Crawford has been better than Melton. A lack of stats is probably the reason that Crawford isn't on the list. Melton also has a more recognizable name.

 

[jobberone]

LOL at all the negativity about Crawford and Melton.

 

[Crown Royal]

McClain started the season off as Pro-Bowl worthy, but I'd venture to say his last 3-4 games would take him out of it in my mind.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Congratulations to Jeff Heath having a nice, steady season on special teams. Dan Bailey should be high on the kicker list.

 

[Jarv]

How about adding Jones as the holder for Money Bailey!

 

[DoctorChicken]

Jeff Heath. Pro Bowler.

 

[perrykemp]

Jeff Heath. Pro Bowler.

It sounds right as rain doesn't it?

 

[big dog cowboy]

Wish we had a name high on the DE list.

 

[StarBoyz83]

Wonder if durant would be on there if he didn't get hurt?

 

[Zekeats]

The Ware bashers should show their faces and pay a little respect

 

[Idgit]

The Ware bashers should show their faces and pay a little respect

Anybody who bashed Demarcus Ware lost a little respect in the bashing process. They don't really need to give anything back since nobody really took them all that seriously, right?

 

[Idgit]

Jeff Heath. Pro Bowler.

Apparently, the correlation between playing well and getting complained about on a message board is stronger than we thought.

 

[Idgit]

Bobby Wagner's getting a raw deal on the inside lb rankings. Unless his play has fallen off a cliff the last five weeks.

 

[Doomsay]

Apparently, the correlation between playing well and getting complained about on a message board is stronger than we thought.

Pretty sure the criticism of Heath was related to his play at safety last season, which was justified, if you remember. Probably not his fault, he was battle-field promoted into the role and was understandably over his head, but this year he has excelled as a special teamer. Good for him, and great for the team, but don't confuse the past with the present - two different realities.

 

[Idgit]

Pretty sure the criticism of Heath was related to his play at safety last season, which was justified, if you remember. Probably not his fault, he was battle-field promoted into the role and was understandably over his head, but this year he has excelled as a special teamer. Good for him, and great for the team, but don't confuse the past with the present - two different realities.

We remember it differently. I recall people wanting him off the team entirely.

And he was a good ST player for us last year, too, so I'm not confusing past or present. Only commenting on the tendency of fans to complain about an outcome and to draw conclusions about players based of who they see in the frame of a camera shot when a big play is given up rather than pay closer attention or to have more reasonable expectations for what actually happens on the field. There's a reason why the coaches like the guy a lot better than your average message board poster does. That reason is the coaches know what they're talking about whereas many fans do not.

 

[Doomsay]

We remember it differently. I recall people wanting him off the team entirely.

And he was a good ST player for us last year, too, so I'm not confusing past or present. Only commenting on the tendency of fans to complain about an outcome and to draw conclusions about players based of who they see in the frame of a camera shot when a big play is given up rather than pay closer attention or to have more reasonable expectations for what actually happens on the field. There's a reason why the coaches like the guy a lot better than your average message board poster does. That reason is the coaches know what they're talking about whereas many fans do not.

Nobody complained about him as a ST player last year, it was as a starting SS. You are creating a martyrdom that doesn't exist. BTW, you are a fan too, so stop trying to differentiate yourself, it's laughable.

 

[Idgit]

Nobody complained about him as a ST player last year, it was as a starting SS. You are creating a martyrdom that doesn't exist. BTW, you are a fan too, so stop trying to differentiate yourself, it's laughable.

So, there weren't posts and threads lamenting keeping Jeff Heath over Ahmad Dixon for the backup S/ST position this summer? I think you're just suppressing one of the many bad negative arguments we all endured. Or maybe we just remember things differently.

But I bet I could find multiple posts of 'realists' wanting a possible pro-bowl ST off the roster entirely.

As far as me commenting on the tendencies of fans goes, I think I'll reserve the right to do that. I'm not differentiating myself because I'm talking about a general tendency and nothing about that suggests that all fans do it. As to what you find laughable...I'm sorry, but I don't really care what you find laughable.

 

[Doomsay]

So, there weren't posts and threads lamenting keeping Jeff Heath over Ahmad Dixon for the backup S/ST position this summer? I think you're just suppressing one of the many bad negative arguments we all endured. Or maybe we just remember things differently.

But I bet I could find multiple posts of 'realists' wanting a possible pro-bowl ST off the roster entirely.

As far as me commenting on the tendencies of fans goes, I think I'll reserve the right to do that. I'm not differentiating myself because I'm talking about a general tendency and nothing about that suggests that all fans do it. As to what you find laughable...I'm sorry, but I don't really care what you find laughable.

You can reserve your right to feel superior to the fans that you denigrate and somehow disassociate yourself from, and I maintain my right to find that differentiation laughable, after all, we are just expressing opinions.

 

[Idgit]

You can reserve your right to feel superior to the fans that you denigrate and somehow disassociate yourself from, and I maintain my right to find that differentiation laughable, after all, we are just expressing opinions.

Fair enough. Bear in mind, the fans I disassociate myself are what we commonly kindly refer to here as 'realists.' And I'm not criticizing them unfairly. Nor do I think I"m superior to them just because I'm more reasonable or because I tend to be less emotional than most of them. None of us should have to endure emotional overreactions and posts riddled with illogic and dramatic negativity and then later pretend that everybody's got an opinion and all opinions are equal. Some options are informed, and informed opinions do tend to be better than uniformed ones. The trick is just in getting the information right in the first place.

Laugh away, though, if that makes you happy. It's no skin off my back. We're all here just for fun, anyway.