Defensive weak links? Our future all pro ends?

[Galian Beast]

Spears and Canty just can't seem to get to the quarterback... I don't know whats up with them. Before throwing them away though I'd fire Jim Jeffcoat... obviously he is inept.

Before you hate on Zimmer, you need to hate on him.

Despite all the problems we've had at defensive end... somehow he is still here...

He has been here for 6 years.

 

[Stash]

Spears and Canty just can't seem to get to the quarterback... I don't know whats up with them. Before throwing them away though I'd fire Jim Jeffcoat... obviously he is inept.

Before you hate on Zimmer, you need to hate on him.

Despite all the problems we've had at defensive end... somehow he is still here...

He has been here for 6 years.

Is he?

I'd check your facts again and maybe edit your post. Jeffcoat's been gone.

c:

 

[Galian Beast]

How isnt he?

 

[Stautner]

Spears and Canty just can't seem to get to the quarterback... I don't know whats up with them. Before throwing them away though I'd fire Jim Jeffcoat... obviously he is inept.

Before you hate on Zimmer, you need to hate on him.

Despite all the problems we've had at defensive end... somehow he is still here...

He has been here for 6 years.

Jeffcoat isn't a coach, and I'm not sure he has been at any point during the Parcells years (maybe early on?).

Nevertheless, the DE's aren't intended as the primary pass rushers in the 3-4 the way they are in the 4-3. That distinction falls to the OLB's, and the DE's are supposed to occupy O-linemen to free up the OLB's to make plays.

 

[jlust22]

How isnt he?

Because Jeffcoat's not a member of the coaching staff anymore. So, if you so choose, you would be better to direct your hate at Kacy Rodgers, who is the current DL coach. But, I do agree that Canty and Spears have been disappointments this year. They haven't lived up to the hype that was placed upon them coming into the season.

 

[burmafrd]

DE's in the 3-4 are more like DT's in the 4-3. You do not expect much pressure from them - its the LB's that are supposed to do the damage. Any sacks you get from a 3-4 DE is strictly gravy.

 

[Galian Beast]

I thought he was still the ends coach while Rodgers was the tackles coach.

That said Rodgers is obviously who I'd direct my hate towards.

And while the ends in the 3-4 don't have the same pass rushing responsibilities as in the 4-3, that is still the job they need to do. Ends in the 3-4 are still supposed to get pressure on the QB, not just occupy linemen.

P.S. Jeffcoat wasn't fired until they made the switch to the 3-4.

 

[Galian Beast]

The 3-4 ends still need to disrupt the pocket.

 

[Kalyan]

You still want them to push the pocket to either OLB to help them get to the QB quicker or prevent the QB to step up into the pocket to avoid the speed rush of OLB. I don't think our DE are doing that, they just do some hand fighting with the quards standing in front of them and thats it

 

[YosemiteSam]

I think we should let Romo play DE. I bet he could pressure the QB!

 

[Stautner]

Sure the DE's could do a better job of collapsing the pocket, but realistically why single them out over the OLB's who are the true pass rushers in the 3-4.

 

[ravidubey]

DE's in the 3-4 are more like DT's in the 4-3. You do not expect much pressure from them - its the LB's that are supposed to do the damage. Any sacks you get from a 3-4 DE is strictly gravy.

No, these guys aren't getting enough push. Not for what we spent to get them. When they generate push, the defense will create pressure; our lack of pressure is a direct reflection of their abilities (or lack thereof).

I think the 3-4 defense sucks and is built to beat most teams during the regular season but will face major adversity against a good OL on a playoff team. Every defense has its challenges, but to man a 3-4 properly you need physical, tenacious, and nasty DE's, a dominant NT, and very saavy LB's and safeties that communicate and coordinate very well together. Above all, you need creativity and great knowledge of the scheme amongst the defensive coaches.

We ain't got that, and with our current coaches we may never have it.

 

[JPM]

I think we should let Romo play DE. I bet he could pressure the QB!

It's all that moxie !

 

[Galian Beast]

Well I think that is another problem. I don't think we're really utilizing Burnett enough to spell Ware. And This is why Bobby Carpenter should be playing the outside, so he can spell Ellis.

These are our backup pass rush guys, but I don't see them in there.

And then we have our ends playing contain all day, so obviously there is not much help.

we need to get the ends more involved, we need to spell the outside linebackers, and bring some additional help from the inside linebackers and from Roy Williams.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I agree, I am disappointed with our young def lineman

 

[Galian Beast]

But that seems like a trend, I think it is coaching and scheme at the moment. I'm really tired of seeing 4 man rushes that leave mcnabb, carr, or manning all day.

Its like you're just waiting for them to throw to someone off camera who is gonna be open big.

 

[Stautner]

Well I think that is another problem. I don't think we're really utilizing Burnett enough to spell Ware. And This is why Bobby Carpenter should be playing the outside, so he can spell Ellis.

These are our backup pass rush guys, but I don't see them in there.

And then we have our ends playing contain all day, so obviously there is not much help.

we need to get the ends more involved, we need to spell the outside linebackers, and bring some additional help from the inside linebackers and from Roy Williams.

Burnett can't rush the passer as well as Ware, and the last thing we need is Ware sitting on the bench when rushing the passer is already a weakness.

Same goes for Carpenter taking time from Ellis.

As for the DE's, if they are too agressive attacking the QB on any given down, then there are much bigger running lines at the LOS for the LB's to fill. The LB's cannot be as effective as intended if they have to be overly worried about ever increasing holes along the LOS. The idea of the 3-4 is for the LB's to be more free of such worries so they are more available to make plays.

Finally, we are having enough trouble covering deep routes run by opposing receivers - I can't see that bringing Roy up to help much more than he already does and therefore having less safety help would be a smart idea.

 

[dfense]

Sure the DE's could do a better job of collapsing the pocket, but realistically why single them out over the OLB's who are the true pass rushers in the 3-4.

Actually, this weeks matchup should say alot. Ellis will be up against Jeremy Bridges at RT. Bridges was cut by the Cardinals I believe 5 times. That says alot right there. Next to Bridges is the RG Mathis, who has 9 career starts. And at Lt Gross is probably their best lineman and he had his hands full with Ware last time. If they concentrate on Ware, Ellis should benefit.

 

[Stautner]

Actually, this weeks matchup should say alot. Ellis will be up against Jeremy Bridges at RT. Bridges was cut by the Cardinals I believe 5 times. That says alot right there. Next to Bridges is the RG Mathis, who has 9 career starts. And at Lt Gross is probably their best lineman and he had his hands full with Ware last time.

How does a guy get cut by the same team 5 times? Is that a record?

 

[Galian Beast]

Stautner, Ware can't play every down and remain effective. You got to give him relief. Same with Ellis. You probably dont want burnett and carpenter in together. But you mix up who is in there. Burnett is pretty good in terms of pass rush. We saw what he did to force that Bradie james interception for touchdown.

And obviously if you don't pressure the QB you end up giving up the big play a lot more and a lot easier.

Its give and take.