Dennis Thurman & Doug Plank

[BAT]

Secondary coach and asst. secondary coach for the Jets. I am jealous.


Cowboys could have had either, but gleefully chose Brett Maxie and Dave Campo instead.


Plank as everyone knows is the "46" in Buddy Ryan's 46 D. He was a D assistant w/Atlanta for a while, but everyone knows Dennis Thurman (the leader of Thurman's Thieves), who has coached under Rex Ryan/Ravens the last 7 years.


Thurman has been credited with the development of such safety stalwarts as Ronnie Lott, Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed, to name a few. The one thing DT has always known how to do, and TEACH evidently, is get picks.

http://www.newyorkjets.com/wap/articles/show/2866-thurman-still-thinking-theft-as-dbs-coach

 

[Hostile]

I wanted the new Thurman's Thieves last year and still hate that it didn't happen.

 

[Future]

Thurman has been credited with the development of such safety stalwarts as Ronnie Lott, Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed, to name a few. The one thing DT has always known how to do, and TEACH evidently, is get picks.

I'd say that's more about talented safeties than a great DB coach.

 

[BAT]

I wanted the new Thurman's Thieves last year and still hate that it didn't happen.

I recall, we were in the minority, unfortunately. And Dennis Thurman was lobbying for the job to boot. He was there for the taking.

 

[THUMPER]

Thurman has been credited with the development of such safety stalwarts as Ronnie Lott, Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed, to name a few. The one thing DT has always known how to do, and TEACH evidently, is get picks.

How would Dennis Thurman be credited with developing Ronnie Lott? Lott came into the NFL in 1981 and Thurman was still playing with the Cowboys through 1986. I don't think so folks

That said, I was hoping he would come to Dallas last year but we went with that retread Campo instead. Campo doesn't even know that DBs are allowed to intercept the ball.
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[YosemiteSam]

How would Dennis Thurman be credited with developing Ronnie Lott? Lott came into the NFL in 1981 and Thurman was still playing with the Cowboys through 1986. I don't think so folks

That said, I was hoping he would come to Dallas last year but we went with that retread Campo instead. Campo doesn't even know that DBs are allowed to intercept the ball.
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First off, Campo is a pretty good DB coach. Secondly, the Ravens refused to let Thurman out of his contract last season. I didn't realize they let him out this season. I was under the impression he still had like a year or two left on his Ravens contract.

 

[glassjaw]

How would Dennis Thurman be credited with developing Ronnie Lott? Lott came into the NFL in 1981 and Thurman was still playing with the Cowboys through 1986. I don't think so folks

That said, I was hoping he would come to Dallas last year but we went with that retread Campo instead. Campo doesn't even know that DBs are allowed to intercept the ball.
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They probably played together for a short time at USC. Lott gave Thurman credit for making him a better player in his Hall of Fame speech.

 

[DBOY3141]

Thurman coming to Dallas would never happen. Jerry wants nothing to do with any former player that played prior to 1989.

I can't wait for day that Stephen takes over.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Thurman coming to Dallas would never happen. Jerry wants nothing to do with any former player that played prior to 1989.

I can't wait for day that Stephen takes over.

Is that why he has Calvin Hill on the payroll?

 

[YosemiteSam]

Thurman coming to Dallas would never happen. Jerry wants nothing to do with any former player that played prior to 1989.

I can't wait for day that Stephen takes over.

That statement is asinine. If you can't say something intelligent, shut it! :laugh2:

 

[THUMPER]

They probably played together for a short time at USC. Lott gave Thurman credit for making him a better player in his Hall of Fame speech.

That makes more sense. Thanks.

 

[THUMPER]

First off, Campo is a pretty good DB coach.

What is that assessment based on? Whenever he has been our DB coach or DC INTs were nearly non-existent. We went from 18 INTs in 2006 an 19 in 2007 to 8 last year. You can look back to when he was the DB coach before and the same thing is true.

I don't know what he coaches these guys to do but whatever it is it does not include picking off passes.

 

[YosemiteSam]

What is that assessment based on? Whenever he has been our DB coach or DC INTs were nearly non-existent. We went from 18 INTs in 2006 an 19 in 2007 to 8 last year. You can look back to when he was the DB coach before and the same thing is true.

I don't know what he coaches these guys to do but whatever it is it does not include picking off passes.

So what you're saying is the Cowboys secondary sucked during the 1992 and 1993 superbowl seasons? It's not all about INTs. It's about dominating defense. Many INTs come from pressure up front. One thing that I noticed last season is that while the Cowboys led the league is sacks, most of their sacks didn't come within the first three seconds. What that means, is the defensive backs where covering the receivers longer than they should have.

INTs alone doesn't make good DBs or a good DB coach. Campo is a good DB coach.

 

[THUMPER]

So what you're saying is the Cowboys secondary sucked during the 1992 and 1993 superbowl seasons? It's not all about INTs. It's about dominating defense. Many INTs come from pressure up front. One thing that I noticed last season is that while the Cowboys led the league is sacks, most of their sacks didn't come within the first three seconds. What that means, is the defensive backs where covering the receivers longer than they should have.

INTs alone doesn't make good DBs or a good DB coach. Campo is a good DB coach.

While I agree that INTs alone don't make good DBs or a good coach, they do change the game. Turnovers are the single most important stat in determining wins outside of scoring. Yards are meaningless if you aren't scoring or stopping the other team from scoring and getting a turnover is the most effective means of stopping another team from scoring.

Campo's mindset is one of "bend-but-don't-break", which I emphatically disagree with. His protege Zimmer had the same mindset, which is why I was a charter member of GROZ. Can it work? Yes, to a degree, but to me big plays by the defense are what make great teams.

Landry believed that and coached it. His DBs took chances and made big plays. Sometimes it costs you but many times it doesn't and you get the ball back for your offense or, even better, score a defensive TD!

To me it is a fundamental difference in "playing not to lose" as opposed to "playing to win". Campo plays "not to lose" but how many times have we seen where we have blown a lead late in the game because we were unable to stop the other team? Too many times for me.

Playing to win means you take chances and sometimes they go against you. Romo is a great example of that. His TD% is outstanding! But all anyone looks at is his turnover ratio (INTs + fumbles). Are they costly? Hell yes they are! But he has also won a lot of games for us by making big plays when we needed them. Romo brought us back twice against the Ravens but it was our defense that completely folded, TWICE that lost the game.

Anyway, it is a difference in philosophy and we obviously disagree.

 

[jazzcat22]

Secondary coach and asst. secondary coach for the Jets. I am jealous.


Cowboys could have had either, but gleefully chose Brett Maxie and Dave Campo instead.


Plank as everyone knows is the "46" in Buddy Ryan's 46 D. He was a D assistant w/Atlanta for a while, but everyone knows Dennis Thurman (the leader of Thurman's Thieves), who has coached under Rex Ryan/Ravens the last 7 years.


Thurman has been credited with the development of such safety stalwarts as Ronnie Lott, Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed, to name a few. The one thing DT has always known how to do, and TEACH evidently, is get picks.

http://www.newyorkjets.com/wap/articles/show/2866-thurman-still-thinking-theft-as-dbs-coach

Are you saying he got that name by developing these current players...he got that name when he played for the Cowboys.
These players are extremely talented anyway...they are making him look good as a coach...not taking anything away from him though.