Dez almost costs the Cowboys the game?

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Jesse Holley said officials will give players a warning and give them a short window to get off the field.

and that is what the ref did, he walked to Dez and told him to get off the field

 

[Dave_in-NC]

and that is what the ref did, he walked to Dez and told him to get off the field

And luckily Dez did. I do hope JG has a little talk with him though. Love the passion but he needs to remember who the coaches are.

 

[dupree89]

I know that any anti-Dez stance here is not appreciated, but he had absolutely no business being on the field at that point. I know he has matured a lot, but obviously he has more to do. Hopefully the head coach has a good talk with the entire team about this. Because with all the talk this week, no Cowboy player will get away with that, or anything else, next week.

 

[links18]

NFL Rule Book Rule 12 (Player Conduct), Section 3 (Unsportsmanlike Conduct), Article 1 (Prohibited acts): "There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct. This applies to any act which is contrary to the generally understood principles of sportsmanship."

Let's face it. This establishes that referees can pretty much call anything that they want to and it is 100% an judgment call. As perrykemp said in the post above mine, there is nothing in the rulebook that say you can't send 11 men onto the field and build a human pyramid.

I think it is fair to say he should have been penalized. I also think it is fair to say he should not have been penalized. However, I think it is pretty silly to say a referee cannot tell the difference between a player coming on the field to argue a call and a player coming on the field as a substitute for the next play.

So they should have flagged TO when they sent him onto the field to play defense in hail marry situations or only if he happened to say something to the refs on the way in?

What exactly is the penalty here? Coming onto the field? Coming onto the field without a helmet? Or arguing with the refs? You guys are moving the goal posts around.

And to the OP question: Even if there was a penalty called it would be impossible to say if that would have cost us the game or not. Who knows what happens on subsequent plays.

 

[Rogah]

So they should have flagged TO when they sent him onto the field to play defense in hail marry situations or only if he happened to say something to the refs on the way in?

What part of "I think it is pretty silly to say a referee cannot tell the difference between a player coming on the field to argue a call and a player coming on the field as a substitute for the next play" do you not understand?

Did T.O. jog onto the field and take his position in the defense or did he run on the field and yell like a madman at the ref over something that happened the previous play?

What exactly is the penalty here? Coming onto the field? Coming onto the field without a helmet? Or arguing with the refs? You guys are moving the goal posts around.

What part of "unsportsmanlike conduct" do you not understand? You asked for the rule, I gave you the rule, section and paragraph. The only one moving the goalposts around is you.

 

[links18]

What part of "I think it is pretty silly to say a referee cannot tell the difference between a player coming on the field to argue a call and a player coming on the field as a substitute for the next play" do you not understand?

Did T.O. jog onto the field and take his position in the defense or did he run on the field and yell like a madman at the ref over something that happened the previous play?
What part of "unsportsmanlike conduct" do you not understand? You asked for the rule, I gave you the rule, section and paragraph. The only one moving the goalposts around is you.

Oh, so its just an unsportsmanlike call now? Players plead their cases with the refs all the time. Players plead other players cases with the refs all the time. How often is that flagged for unsportsmanlike? Did Dez curse? Did he stomp up and down? No. Unless there is a specific rule that prohibits him from being on the field, how can they call that unsportsmanlike? Nobody has produced the rule that says he is not allowed to be on the field in a dead ball situation.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I believe you.

Having said that would you have been surprised if had thrown the flag?

Why take the risk?

Let's calling it a teaching moment and move on.

I never had to move on. We won minutes later.

I was good. Been good since!

 

[EST_1986]

Once again, never seen it called before...

Doesn't mean it can't be called

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Really? Do you have a video?

It was taken to spy gate room.

Poof!

Gone!

 

[ChooChoo73]

Not happy with Dez but hope he learned a lesson. He seemed to lack focus and was more worried at times about making a statement to Detroit rather than his assignments and the task at hands. I expect a good game from him vs. GB.

 

[Rogah]

Oh, so its just an unsportsmanlike call now? Players plead their cases with the refs all the time. Players plead other players cases with the refs all the time. How often is that flagged for unsportsmanlike?

What part of "judgment call" do you not understand? You're right that players plead their case to the refs all the time. And every once in a while they cross the line, say the wrong thing, and get flagged for it.

I like the way the refs handled it. He got a warning, but no flag. But for you to sit there and say "how do the refs know he wasn't coming on the field for the next play?!?" is just moronic. So congrats, brah. You're making Phily fans seem intelligent.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Oh, so its just an unsportsmanlike call now? Players plead their cases with the refs all the time. Players plead other players cases with the refs all the time. How often is that flagged for unsportsmanlike? Did Dez curse? Did he stomp up and down? No. Unless there is a specific rule that prohibits him from being on the field, how can they call that unsportsmanlike? Nobody has produced the rule that says he is not allowed to be on the field in a dead ball situation.

Per a league source, referee Pete Morelli or any member of his crew could have flagged Bryant for unsportsmanlike conduct. The NFL doesn’t condone players coming that far onto the field to argue a call. However, it appears that, in the heat of the moment, a little leeway (or more than a little leeway) was provided to the Cowboys’ bench.

Also, Bryant came onto the field while the officials were in the process of trying to figure out whether a foul had or hadn’t occurred. That was the primary concern. Still, Bryant shouldn’t have entered the field of play.

It’ll be interesting to see whether the league office fines Bryant for the infraction. To fine him would be to admit that he should have been penalized, and not that he simply could have been penalized through the exercise of discretion by the officials.

 

[links18]

What part of "judgment call" do you not understand? You're right that players plead their case to the refs all the time. And every once in a while they cross the line, say the wrong thing, and get flagged for it.

I like the way the refs handled it. He got a warning, but no flag. For you to sit there and say "how do the refs know he wasn't coming on the field for the next play?!?" is just moronic. So congrats, brah. You're making Phily fans seem intelligent.

What part of "show me the rule" don't you understand? If he had the right to be on the field, they can't flag him. Once again, show me the rule and I will go away. If you want to argue they should have thrown the flag for arguing fine, but players do far worse than Dez did every single game and rarely ever draw a flag.

 

[links18]

Per a league source, referee Pete Morelli or any member of his crew could have flagged Bryant for unsportsmanlike conduct. The NFL doesn’t condone players coming that far onto the field to argue a call. However, it appears that, in the heat of the moment, a little leeway (or more than a little leeway) was provided to the Cowboys’ bench.

Also, Bryant came onto the field while the officials were in the process of trying to figure out whether a foul had or hadn’t occurred. That was the primary concern. Still, Bryant shouldn’t have entered the field of play.

It’ll be interesting to see whether the league office fines Bryant for the infraction. To fine him would be to admit that he should have been penalized, and not that he simply could have been penalized through the exercise of discretion by the officials.

They don't condone it or its against the rules? Sounds like another NFL made up on the fly statement. To be clear, I don't think Dez should have risked it by going onto the field. Dumb move on his part.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

They don't condone it or its against the rules? Sounds like another NFL made up on the fly statement. To be clear, I don't think Dez should have risked it by going onto the field. Dumb move on his part.

Come on man. You are just being argumentative. If they can fine a player for it, it's against the rules.

 

[rynochop]

And is there a rule that says he can't do that during a dead ball?

there isnt a rule about taking a dump on the 50 yard line either, but there is unsportsmanlike conduct

 

[Dave_in-NC]

They don't condone it or its against the rules? Sounds like another NFL made up on the fly statement. To be clear, I don't think Dez should have risked it by going onto the field. Dumb move on his part.

Why? According to you he did nothing wrong.

 

[Kevinicus]

there isnt a rule about taking a dump on the 50 yard line either, but there is unsportsmanlike conduct

If that's unsportsmanlike, then we'd still be playing week 1 games with how often something like that happens.

 

[rynochop]

If that's unsportsmanlike, then we'd still be playing week 1 games with how often something like that happens.

He ran probably 15 yard out to midfield to argue about a call on the defense, if you dont think he was lucky to get away with that, your not being honest with yourself. Some hot headed ref could have easily thrown a flag

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Doesn't mean it can't be called

you're joining a conversation that's about 4 replies deep and as a result your comment was irrelevant before you even typed it,,,