Dez vs R Sherman

[Nova]

The corner position is so overrated. If you're front seven can create enough pressure, you'll make any corner look like Sherman. I don't believe in a shutdown corner.

You can say that about any position because it's a team game.

Consequently, you could say that Seattle secondary makes the DL look dominant.

Which is pretty much the case. The secondary leads that defense, and Sherman/Thomas are the main reasons.

 

[Boys122]

You can say that about any position because it's a team game.

Consequently, you could say that Seattle secondary makes the DL look dominant.

Which is pretty much the case. The secondary leads that defense, and Sherman/Thomas are the main reasons.

They do have a good secondary but I give that front seven a lot of the credit for their success. Bryant, McDaniel, Mebane, Clemons, Irvin, Wagner, Smith. That creates a lot of their pressure which gives the safeties and corners time to cover.

 

[TonyRomo17]

Against the Eagles? The 2 pt conversion to tie the game?

That pass was thrown low, so going up and getting it wasn't really an option.

He probably should have been able to reel that one in, but it was a tougher catch than it looked. Cary Williams was draped all over Dez and the linebacker underneath kind of screened the pass (since it was low). I think Dez saw it late and just missed the play.

If it was thrown higher, I think he would've had a much better chance.

Dez can do this all day:

Against Sherman it would be interesting.

not to mention cary williams probably already knew the play, since its the same one they did vs the ravens in the 2012-13 season

 

[Nova]

They do have a good secondary but I give that front seven a lot of the credit for their success. Bryant, McDaniel, Mebane, Clemons, Irvin, Wagner, Smith. That creates a lot of their pressure which gives the safeties and corners time to cover.

You have to have a strong team in several areas to have the success

But the point I'm making is Seattle's secondary's dominance is not because of their front 7, and if anything it's the opposite.

Over the last 3 years, Seattle has had an incredible secondary-- tops in the league. The front 7 is just now catching up, and again, they are not a dominant pass rushing team.

 

[TTexasTT]

Thomas is good but Sherman is the best player in that secondary. The numbers don't lie and they speak for themselves. I don't care if a guy runs his mouth as long as he backs it up and he clearly does. This is football not chess, trash talking is a part of the game and Richard Sherman is great at mentally defeating you as well as physically defeating you.

LMAO now Sherman is a better player than Earl Thomas?
You are lost in the sauce.

 

[Nova]

LMAO now Sherman is a better player than Earl Thomas?
You are lost in the sauce.

Why is that crazy, exactly?

 

[blackbull]

Sherman is a beast but he needs to follow receivers before he gets crowned IMO. This is Nnamdi all over again just with a big mouth. I like him, but lets keep it real.


And if Dez had a competent qb/oc combo I'd have no worries about the matchup. With what we have now Dez would get taken out of the game and the arm chair coaches would say (get open dez you scrub).

 

[Wayne02]

LMAO now Sherman is a better player than Earl Thomas?
You are lost in the sauce.

Prove to me with numbers and a sound argument why Richard Sherman is not the best player in that secondary. It doesn't really matter anyway seeing as how they're team mates, you're the same guy who said Sherman isn't the best corner in the game, so prove to me with stats and a sound argument why Sherman isn't the best in the game right now at his position.

 

[Jenky]

Sherman is a beast but he needs to follow receivers before he gets crowned IMO. This is Nnamdi all over again just with a big mouth. I like him, but lets keep it real.


And if Dez had a competent qb/oc combo I'd have no worries about the matchup. With what we have now Dez would get taken out of the game and the arm chair coaches would say (get open dez you scrub).

I wouldn't be surprised if Demaryius Thomas lit Sherman up. I agree. He needs to play better receivers to get that respect from me. Revis has done it against the top guys time after time.

 

[Nova]

Sherman is a beast but he needs to follow receivers before he gets crowned IMO. This is Nnamdi all over again just with a big mouth. I like him, but lets keep it real.


And if Dez had a competent qb/oc combo I'd have no worries about the matchup. With what we have now Dez would get taken out of the game and the arm chair coaches would say (get open dez you scrub).

Nice post. Somebody really diving into his actual play.

As you've pointed out, Sherman does not typically follow receivers around the field.

But if I remember right, Nnamdi wasn't that great of a zone corner, and Sherman may actually be a better zone guy than man guy (even though he's still an elite man guy). And Nnamdi didn't stray from his side of the field (weak side). Neither does Sherman, really (strong side), but when Browner was out last year I saw him take plenty of snaps from the opposite side of the field (the right side). Sherman plays on the strong side the majority of the time, which is the opposite of Nnamdi, again, IIRC.

Also. Nnamdi was a great corner, he just got old. So I'm not sure if that is really a knock on Sherm.

 

[Nova]

I wouldn't be surprised if Demaryius Thomas lit Sherman up. I agree. He needs to play better receivers to get that respect from me. Revis has done it against the top guys time after time.

I would.

Sherman isn't prime Revis, but the receivers he struggles with are guys like Amendola, or Stevie Johnson-- quick footed guys with great route running. Thomas is neither of those things.

That said, Sherman probably won't shadow DT.

 

[Jenky]

I would.

Sherman isn't prime Revis, but the receivers he struggles with are guys like Amendola, or Stevie Johnson-- quick footed guys with great route running. Thomas is neither of those things.

That said, Sherman probably won't shadow DT.

+T.Y. Hilton, Roddy White.

That's another thing, he doesn't shadow #1s, and he's had a better supporting cast. Thomas and Chancellor are good safeties. Sherman is playing on one of the best defenses.

 

[blackbull]

Nice post. Somebody really diving into his actual play.

As you've pointed out, Sherman does not typically follow receivers around the field.

But if I remember right, Nnamdi wasn't that great of a zone corner, and Sherman may actually be a better zone guy than man guy (even though he's still an elite man guy). And Nnamdi didn't stray from his side of the field (weak side). Neither does Sherman, really (strong side), but when Browner was out last year I saw him take plenty of snaps from the opposite side of the field (the right side). Sherman plays on the strong side the majority of the time, which is the opposite of Nnamdi, again, IIRC.

Also. Nnamdi was a great corner, he just got old. So I'm not sure if that is really a knock on Sherm.

True Nnamdi was strong side but its still easy to gameplan around guys who don't follow wrs. Peyton will exploit that with no hesitation. On the biggest stage Sherman can take out Peyton's main target. Will he? He better with all that talking he's doing.

 

[dogberry]

Will the Broncos put Welker on Sherman?

 

[TTexasTT]

Will the Broncos put Welker on Sherman?

Welker plays offense.

 

[sbark]

interesting to see how peyton manning and D. Thomas does vs sherman in the superbowl.

That's where Im at, Which Scheme is Dez in vrs. Sherman?

 

[JohnsKey19]

Sherman is a great player. But a great QB like Peyton and smart playcalling with Thomas as the target still hold the advantage in that matchup.

To answer the OPs question...I would give Sherman the edge simply because I don't trust our OC/play caller to put Dez in the best position to succeed against a tough challenge like Sherman and the rest of that secondary.


Also what's lost in all the Sherman talk is that Seattle including Sherman plays a lot of zone and Earl Thomas is arguably as good as Sherman at his Safety position. So the QB really has to be on his game to understand what the secondary is doing on any given snap and then execute the correct read.

 

[cej757]

One thing I do know, Sherman wouldn't have stood a chance against Prime Randy Moss or T.O.

 

[GroundUp]

What's so funny? Sherman isn't even the best player in that secondary. E.Thomas is a better player but doesn't yap his mouth all day. Kam is pretty damn good too. Sherman gets way too much credit with the quality of secondary he has. Who's to say those other corners couldn't do what he does? Grimes is too old but those other guys are on par or better. Theyre just on bad teams and dont as talk much...

Completely agree on Earl Thomas.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Sherman is a great corner, perhaps the best in the league.

He also has an incredible supporting cast, including 2 of the best safeties in the game, a stout front 7 and a balanced offense that doesn't make many mistakes.

What's all that mean?

Means QBs are throwing into tighter windows, under pressure, and they aren't forced to stay on the field for long periods of time. In other words, his job is a lot easier than a guy like Brandon Carr's. Not saying the two are even in the same league, just saying if you put Sherman on the Browns he would still be a good player, but perhaps not all-world like everyone is making him out to be.