Dez: Washington needs to get their money back

[tyke1doe]

And Dez didn't just burn Malcolm Jenkings when they got into a pregame spat.

Huh?

I don't care if Norman pays the price for getting Dez fired up or if another Skins CB pays for it. Same result.

You may not. But, obviously, the team does, which is the reason why Dez apologized. Do you think Dez did that of his own accord? Whether he did or didn't, he clearly understands that carrying on a feud with Norman detracts from what this team is trying to do. That is an indication that it DOES make a difference.

I have seen nothing that makes me worry that Norman or any other player is going to affect Dez in a negative way by trash talk.

Of course, you don't. But the people who think it does told Dez to quiet down. Or Dez realized this himself and apologized for his remarks. You don't apologize unless you feel you've down something wrong and/or unless you believe your behavior has somehow impact another/others negatively.

 

[hornitosmonster]

Norman writes checks his team/himself can't cash. 10-1 baby!!!

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Didn't Norman say something similar about Dez ? The BS media is trying to say Dez is as culpable for the antics on the field. Norman is a complete tool. I rewatch the game 3 times, its amazes me that Norman never received a taunting or personal 15 yard penalty. Whats up with that? Im sure after the NFL reviews the tape, the Refs will have egg on their face- so to speak. I was actually proud of Dez for not retaliating, if he did the refs would have flown a flag.

Norman said that last year after "shutting down" Dez on one leg with Romo coming off injury and Cassel throwing him the ball.

I haven't read or seen anything saying Dez is as culpable as Norman this time around. In fact, I've read things saying Norman has become a distraction.

 

[tyke1doe]

Yes we do. 5 catches, 72 yards and a W.

But you don't know whether Dez could have had 9 catches 118 and a touchdown. There is an aspect of the unknown that always factors into such situations that we can't calculate.

He would have had a huge touchdown on the play where he juked Norman out of his thong on that deep post, but Dak didn't see him wide open.

Maybe. Or maybe he didn't get out of his break fast enough. We don't know what Dak saw at the time. Needless to say, he didn't get that catch so we can't count it into his total.

You're doing a great job of trying to make it seem like Dez did anything but play his game, keep up the good work.

Uh, rather, Dez, makes it seem that way. Dez is one of the few Cowboys who feels the need to go off on others via social media or through the media. HE is the one who draws attention to himself and leaves it open to speculate whether others are getting into his head. I don't feel the need to be his apologist. Earlier, he was popping off and not getting the ball. Now he's back in and getting passes thrown to him, and he's still popping off.

But he understands, apparently, that he needs to get himself under control, which is why he apologized. I didn't force him to apologize. He did it himself. So stop trying to act as his persecution-complex advisor. When he stops drawing undo attention to himself, his reputation will improve.

It's clear some of you guys have just developed a dislike for Dez and will take every opportunity to take a shot at him, despite the fact that the team you claim to root for is 10-1 and Dez has done nothing but support the team and give his all.

Your thinking is too binary. You can love a family/team/organization and STILL correct or comment on the behavior of a member who isn't doing as he should.
Yes, I know this is a hard concept to grasp. But when one grows up, attains a level of maturity that comes through life experience and understands that love isn't always a rah-rah emotion, one doesn't have difficulty separating the two.

I don't love every player on this team, but I don't go from thread to thread looking for opportunities to trash the ones that I don't love, especially considering how this season is going.

So saying that Dez shouldn't be continuing to comment on what occurred between he and Josh Norman - even though he has apologized - is trashing a player? Well, they do say one man's trash is another man's treasure.

 

[ConstantReboot]

But he gets in their heads. He irritates both Beckham and Dez. Dez is too obsessed with Norman - and that's what Norman wants.
Dez is upset that Norman got all in his money by saying he wasn't worth what he made. Norman went the one place you do go. Guys today don't like you talking about their money.
Dez has been stewing about his statement for a year, and it finally came to a head Thursday.

I'm glad Dez apologized, and I hope he develops more mental toughness; otherwise, other corners and teams are going to be all in his cranium, taking him out of his game and out of focus on what really matters.

Why aren't the refs letting it go? Why is the league tolerating such antics and ignoring it? Not only are the refs pretty bad calling the game as a one-sided affair. But they are letting Norman continuously taint and get into receivers faces without warranting a flag.

I don't think its Beckham and Dez's fault he a player keeps taunting continuously throughout the game. Then when they retaliate and say something back Norman blows up in anger. If Norman can't take the heat from other players for taunting him, then he needs to stop acting like a kid and play the game.

 

[superonyx]

Huh?


You may not. But, obviously, the team does, which is the reason why Dez apologized. Do you think Dez did that of his own accord? Whether he did or didn't, he clearly understands that carrying on a feud with Norman detracts from what this team is trying to do. That is an indication that it DOES make a difference.


Of course, you don't. But the people who think it does told Dez to quiet down. Or Dez realized this himself and apologized for his remarks. You don't apologize unless you feel you've down something wrong and/or unless you believe your behavior has somehow impact another/others negatively.

Malcolm Jenkins Mouthed off and got in Dezs face before the eagles game. Dez then burned the eagles secondary for a few TDs.

It's hard to argue opinions with a person who pretends their opinions are somehow facts. You don't know if Dez was told to apologize or if he just decided to say he took it too far. So go ahead and continue to pretend your opinions are facts.

You want to change the point I can see.
Point is that Dez has not shown that a player mouthing off towards him has had any negative impact on his production. In fact I see only evidence that the more you irritate him the better he produces.

You have any opinions you want to pretend are facts to dispute this opinion/observation? Or would you rather change the point again?

 

[ErikWilliamsHeadSlap]

If Norman is all that, then he can follow Dez into the slot and see how he does.

 

[tyke1doe]

Why aren't the refs letting it go? Why is the league tolerating such antics and ignoring it? Not only are the refs pretty bad calling the game as a one-sided affair. But they are letting Norman continuously taint and get into receivers faces without warranting a flag.

That has nothing to do with Dez reacting and saying what he did after the game. Dez didn't say, "The refs need to check what he's doing on the field." Rather, he talked about Norman's salary and went on and on about his play. THAT'S getting into a player's head.

I don't think its Beckham and Dez's fault he a player keeps taunting continuously throughout the game. Then when they retaliate and say something back Norman blows up in anger. If Norman can't take the heat from other players for taunting him, then he needs to stop acting like a kid and play the game.

I really don't care about what Norman does. I care about what Dez does because he plays for this team. And, again, apparently Jason Garrett, the Cowboys and Dez care too, which is why Dez apologized.

 

[tyke1doe]

Malcolm Jenkins Mouthed off and got in Dezs face before the eagles game. Dez then burned the eagles secondary for a few TDs.

Okay.

It's hard to argue opinions with a person who pretends their opinions are somehow facts. You don't know if Dez was told to apologize or if he just decided to say he took it too far. So go ahead and continue to pretend your opinions are facts.

As it is hard to argue with a person who doesn't understand logic.
There are only two options here: Either Dez was told to apologize or he apologized on his own. Can you think of a third option?
Oh, and giving two options but not declaring either fact but both possible given no other explanation is an opinion.

You want to change the point I can see.
Point is that Dez has not shown that a player mouthing off towards him has had any negative impact on his production. In fact I see only evidence that the more you irritate him the better he produces.

So 5 for 72 and no touchdowns is "the better he produces"? Is that your standard for "the better he produces"? Really?

You have any opinions you want to pretend are facts to dispute this opinion/observation? Or would you rather change the point again?

Judging by your misunderstanding of the concept of options, I'm wondering if you even know the difference between a fact and an opinion.

 

[superonyx]

Okay.



As it is hard to argue with a person who doesn't understand logic.
There are only two options here: Either Dez was told to apologize or he apologized on his own. Can you think of a third option?
Oh, and giving two options but not declaring either fact but both possible given no other explanation is an opinion.



So 5 for 72 and no touchdowns is "the better he produces"? Is that your standard for "the better he produces"? Really?



Judging by your misunderstanding of the concept of options, I'm wondering if you even know the difference between a fact and an opinion.

You are boring me my man. Honestly.
But if you want to try again to show how Dez's production is negatively affected by a defenders who is "getting in his head" then go ahead. But I doubt you will. I guess you didn't expect anyone to challenge your initial comments with facts. Sucks when that happens doesnt it?

 

[tyke1doe]

You are boring me my man. Honestly.

But you decided to jump into this conversation. I didn't force you. So if you're bored, maybe, you need to be more circumspect in the type post you engage.

But if you want to try again to show how Dez's production is negatively affected by a defenders who is "getting in his head" then go ahead. But I doubt you will. I guess you didn't expect anyone to challenge your initial comments with facts. Sucks when that happens doesnt it?

What facts did you present? 5 for 72 and no touchdowns? And it DID get into Dez's head and affected his game. The evidence? He was mouthing off continually in the game, had to be calmed down by the refs, continued after the game by saying he would show how he exposed Norman and how he either apologized on his own or was told to apologize (interestingly, you didn't provide a third option yet you whine about fact vs. opinion).

I'm sorry that you're a Dez apologist who believe if he blows snot bubbles, somehow you have to make it be liquid gold. I'm not a Dez apologist. I can say that he's a very good receiver but also say he needs to tone it down and not let people get into his head whether it's Josh Norman or Skip Bayless.

And, obviously, Dez or somebody agrees with me too because either they or he told him/himself to apologize. That's all the evidence I need.

 

[superonyx]

But you decided to jump into this conversation. I didn't force you. So if you're bored, maybe, you need to be more circumspect in the type post you engage.



What facts did you present? 5 for 72 and no touchdowns? And it DID get into Dez's head and affected his game. The evidence? He was mouthing off continually in the game, had to be calmed down by the refs, continued after the game by saying he would show how he exposed Norman and how he either apologized on his own or was told to apologize (interestingly, you didn't provide a third option yet you whine about fact vs. opinion).

I'm sorry that you're a Dez apologist who believe if he blows snot bubbles, somehow you have to make it be liquid gold. I'm not a Dez apologist. I can say that he's a very good receiver but also say he needs to tone it down and not let people get into his head whether it's Josh Norman or Skip Bayless.

And, obviously, Dez or somebody agrees with me too because either they or he told him/himself to apologize. That's all the evidence I need.

You like to keep repeating yourself. Most of what you said is repeated nonsense that doesn't even warrant a response.

You keep saying how his game was affected. And I actually agree with you that his game was affected. In a positive way. The guy feeds off of the emotion and plays very well. You can pretend he played poorly but everyone knows better. So after he got into a pregame shouting match with Malcolm Jenkings of the Eagles he had 6 catches for 114 yards and 3 touchdowns.

So where is the proof to back up your claim that the vocal sparring with Norman or any other CB has affected his game in a negative way?

I'm going to assume you can't back it up and you will just go on and on repeating your nonsense that isn't even relevant. You can be upset over the nature of Dez's tweets. That crap means nothing unless it translates to play on the field.

Eagerly awaiting your next failed attempt to deflect away from the point.

 

[tyke1doe]

You like to keep repeating yourself. Most of what you said is repeated nonsense that doesn't even warrant a response.

And yet you respond.

You keep saying how his game was affected. And I actually agree with you that his game was affected. In a positive way. The guy feeds off of the emotion and plays very well. You can pretend he played poorly but everyone knows better. So after he got into a pregame shouting match with Malcolm Jenkings of the Eagles he had 6 catches for 114 yards and 3 touchdowns.

You don't even see the inherent contradiction in your statement do you? So you say it affected him in a positive way, yet immediately cite Malcolm Jenkins and Dez's 6 catches, 114 yards and 3 touchdowns. In essence, what you're saying is that stats tell us whether Dez was positively affected or not. However, CONVENIENTLY, you don't cite Dez's 5 catches for 72 yards and no touchdowns.
Of course, everyone knows why you don't cite his Washington stats, which, by the way, against Josh Norman he had 3 catches for 32 yards and no touchdowns.
You don't because the stats don't support your clam he wasn't affected in a negative way. The stats support MY claim that he let Josh get to him. Again, I'm using your own methodology to determine whether Dez performed positively or negatively. And 3 for 32 yards is NOT a positive game for a big-time receiver like Dez.
Instead, you reach for a game that is not even the point of conversation. This conversation has to do with Dez letting Josh Norman get into his head.
Please stay on topic.

So where is the proof to back up your claim that the vocal sparring with Norman or any other CB has affected his game in a negative way?

3 catches ... 32 yards ... no catches ... Dez's claim after the game that he exposed Norman ... Dez now apologizing for his comments, meaning he's going to back off this off the field feuding.

I'm going to assume you can't back it up and you will just go on and on repeating your nonsense that isn't even relevant. You can be upset over the nature of Dez's tweets. That crap means nothing unless it translates to play on the field.

Says the man who reaches for an example three years ago against another team and another corner as proof that Dez didn't let Josh Norman get in his head.

Please try to keep up. We're in the year 2016.

Eagerly awaiting your next failed attempt to deflect away from the point.

First, you say you're bored. Then you say what I say is nonsense. Then you say you're eagerly awaiting my next attempt. You don't know what you want do you.

Maybe if you'd get your nose out of Dez's rectum the fresh, clean smell of facts and logic will pierce your dulled senses.

 

[ragman]

Didn't Norman say something similar about Dez ? The BS media is trying to say Dez is as culpable for the antics on the field. Norman is a complete tool. I rewatch the game 3 times, its amazes me that Norman never received a taunting or personal 15 yard penalty. Whats up with that? Im sure after the NFL reviews the tape, the Refs will have egg on their face- so to speak. I was actually proud of Dez for not retaliating, if he did the refs would have flown a flag.

I'm proud of Dez as well.

It's been my experience in watching sporting events that the person who starts something is hardly ever caught. It's the person who retaliates that gets in trouble. If Dez had retaliated, he would have been flagged AND fined, IMO.

 

[superonyx]

And yet you respond.



You don't even see the inherent contradiction in your statement do you? So you say it affected him in a positive way, yet immediately cite Malcolm Jenkins and Dez's 6 catches, 114 yards and 3 touchdowns. In essence, what you're saying is that stats tell us whether Dez was positively affected or not. However, CONVENIENTLY, you don't cite Dez's 5 catches for 72 yards and no touchdowns.
Of course, everyone knows why you don't cite his Washington stats, which, by the way, against Josh Norman he had 3 catches for 32 yards and no touchdowns.
You don't because the stats don't support your clam he wasn't affected in a negative way. The stats support MY claim that he let Josh get to him. Again, I'm using your own methodology to determine whether Dez performed positively or negatively. And 3 for 32 yards is NOT a positive game for a big-time receiver like Dez.
Instead, you reach for a game that is not even the point of conversation. This conversation has to do with Dez letting Josh Norman get into his head.
Please stay on topic.



3 catches ... 32 yards ... no catches ... Dez's claim after the game that he exposed Norman ... Dez now apologizing for his comments, meaning he's going to back off this off the field feuding.



Says the man who reaches for an example three years ago against another team and another corner as proof that Dez didn't let Josh Norman get in his head.

Please try to keep up. We're in the year 2016.



First, you say you're bored. Then you say what I say is nonsense. Then you say you're eagerly awaiting my next attempt. You don't know what you want do you.

Maybe if you'd get your nose out of Dez's rectum the fresh, clean smell of facts and logic will pierce your dulled senses.

Oh so this debate comes down to Dez's performance vs Washington on Thanksgiving... I'll bite on that.
Dez had a very good game. In fact you are the first person that I've heard even attempt to say Dez didn't have a good game. You can attempt to discredit him by only using catches against Norman. But that only tells a small part of the story. But you already know this and that's why you choose to try it.

Since you love to pretend Dez agrees with you then show me where he agrees with you that he had a bad game. Or show me where anyone outside of you and Norman have said Dez played poorly.

Time to deflect again. Go ahead.
Maybe some more emojis will make your arguments more effective.

 

[tyke1doe]

Oh so this debate comes down to Dez's performance vs Washington on Thanksgiving... I'll bite on that.

It took you two pages to realize we were talking about Josh Norman, Dez Bryant and their matchup?

Dez had a very good game. In fact you are the first person that I've heard even attempt to say Dez didn't have a good game. You can attempt to discredit him by only using catches against Norman. But that only tells a small part of the story. But you already know this and that's why you choose to try it.

Based on what? Your subjective opinion? Or facts? If it's your subjective opinion, then you've just invalidated all your nonsensical rambling about facts and opinion. If facts, then please tell me by any objective standard how 3 for 32 yards is a very good game, especially when you argue stats Dez posted against Malcolm Jenkins, you know the 6 for 114 and 3 TDs you didn't fail to mention several times.
Now, this argument, I have to read.

Since you love to pretend Dez agrees with you then show me where he agrees with you that he had a bad game. Or show me where anyone outside of you and Norman have said Dez played poorly.

Pay close attention. 3 ... for 32 ... yards and ... 0 touchdowns. Dez then popping off about what could have been in trying to show where he exposed Norman.

Was that slow enough for you?

Maybe some more emojis will make your arguments more effective.

Well, I was hoping that they would since common sense, reason and logic don't seem to work for you.

 

[superonyx]

It took you two pages to realize we were talking about Josh Norman, Dez Bryant and their matchup?




Based on what? Your subjective opinion? Or facts? If it's your subjective opinion, then you've just invalidated all your nonsensical rambling about facts and opinion. If facts, then please tell me by any objective standard how 3 for 32 yards is a very good game, especially when you argue stats Dez posted against Malcolm Jenkins, you know the 6 for 114 and 3 TDs you didn't fail to mention several times.
Now, this argument, I have to read.



Pay close attention. 3 ... for 32 ... yards and ... 0 touchdowns. Dez then popping off about what could have been in trying to show where he exposed Norman.

Was that slow enough for you?



Well, I was hoping that they would since common sense, reason and logic don't seem to work for you.

Actually the argument is about Dez bring affected by a player trying to get in his head.
You spin so much you can't even remember.

You speak about 3 catches and 30 yards. Yet Norman only covered Dez on 15 plays. I guess Dez should have had 15 catches on 15 plays for it to be consider good?
Come on man you just sound goofy now.

Now show me where a player has affected Dez by letting mouth get in his head and show how this affected his game.

 

[tyke1doe]

Actually the argument is about Dez bring affected by a player trying to get in his head.
You spin so much you can't even remember.

Sorry if your reading comprehension is not up to par. I was perfectly clear in my response that got you riled up. Here's what I said:

But he (NORMAN) gets in their heads. He irritates both Beckham and Dez. Dez is too obsessed with Norman - and that's what Norman wants.
Dez is upset that Norman got all in his money by saying he wasn't worth what he made. Norman went the one place you do go. Guys today don't like you talking about their money.
Dez has been stewing about his statement for a year, and it finally came to a head Thursday.

I'm glad Dez apologized, and I hope he develops more mental toughness; otherwise, other corners and teams are going to be all in his cranium, taking him out of his game and out of focus on what really matters.

Only to one who can't read or ignores what he reads does a clear statement amount to spin.

You speak about 3 catches and 30 yards. Yet Norman only covered Dez on 15 plays. I guess Dez should have had 15 catches on 15 plays for it to be consider good?
Come on man you just sound goofy now.

Translation: You don't have any objective analysis so you continue with more subjective, hypothetical arguments and then call me the goofy one.

Now show me where a player has affected Dez by letting mouth get in his head and show how this affected his game.

I did, but you can't follow your own logic. No wonder you can't follow mine. Let me go extremely slow once again.

1. You cite Dez's stats against Malcolm Jenkins as proof that he performed positively after he and Jenkins went after it.
2. By citing his stats 6-114-3 TDs, you're acknowledging that a positive outcome came from Jenkins yapping at Dez.
3. If this is true, then, conversely, the opposite has to be true, i.e., if Dez doesn't have great stats that means Norman got into his head, and it had a negative effect on Dez. (Remember, I'm using the underlying argument you're using to support your argument that Jenkins didn't get into Dez's head negatively).
4. Dez had 3 catches for 32 yards and 0 touchdowns. In most people's books, especially when the mark for a good game for a receiver is amount of catches, yardage over 100 and touchdowns. Dez did not come close to those milestones; therefore, he didn't have a good game, and one could conclude he was negatively affected by Norman's approach to the game.

Then ... you have Dez popping off about exposing Norman. Basically, he's saying, "Yall didn't see it because for whatever reason, I didn't get the chance. But believe me, I exposed him." Dez is OBSESSED with Norman to the point where he lost focus of who won the game and started talking about Norman.

So by your own reasoning I proved my point.
Please, if you're going to come to a debate with me, try to bring an A-K 47 instead of a plastic knife. This is getting embarrassing.

 

[ilykdrama]

But he gets in their heads. He irritates both Beckham and Dez. Dez is too obsessed with Norman - and that's what Norman wants.
Dez is upset that Norman got all in his money by saying he wasn't worth what he made. Norman went the one place you do go. Guys today don't like you talking about their money.
Dez has been stewing about his statement for a year, and it finally came to a head Thursday.

I'm glad Dez apologized, and I hope he develops more mental toughness; otherwise, other corners and teams are going to be all in his cranium, taking him out of his game and out of focus on what really matters.

I absolutely agree. Dez should just be a slow moving ship the entire game. I like that Irvin touched on it a little bit in pregame. It was about wins and losses when he and Deion when against each other. As it should be. I'm glad we came out with the win, but Dez is definitely just as guilty.

 

[superonyx]

Sorry if your reading comprehension is not up to par. I was perfectly clear in my response that got you riled up. Here's what I said:



Only to one who can't read or ignores what he reads does a clear statement amount to spin.




Translation: You don't have any objective analysis so you continue with more subjective, hypothetical arguments and then call me the goofy one.



I did, but you can't follow your own logic. No wonder you can't follow mine. Let me go extremely slow once again.

1. You cite Dez's stats against Malcolm Jenkins as proof that he performed positively after he and Jenkins went after it.
2. By citing his stats 6-114-3 TDs, you're acknowledging that a positive outcome came from Jenkins yapping at Dez.
3. If this is true, then, conversely, the opposite has to be true, i.e., if Dez doesn't have great stats that means Norman got into his head, and it had a negative effect on Dez. (Remember, I'm using the underlying argument you're using to support your argument that Jenkins didn't get into Dez's head negatively).
4. Dez had 3 catches for 32 yards and 0 touchdowns. In most people's books, especially when the mark for a good game for a receiver is amount of catches, yardage over 100 and touchdowns. Dez did not come close to those milestones; therefore, he didn't have a good game, and one could conclude he was negatively affected by Norman's approach to the game.

Then ... you have Dez popping off about exposing Norman. Basically, he's saying, "Yall didn't see it because for whatever reason, I didn't get the chance. But believe me, I exposed him." Dez is OBSESSED with Norman to the point where he lost focus of who won the game and started talking about Norman.

So by your own reasoning I proved my point.
Please, if you're going to come to a debate with me, try to bring an A-K 47 instead of a plastic knife. This is getting embarrassing.

As always you refuse to answer the question asked of you.
Norman covered Dez only 15 plays and Dez had 3 catches in those 15 plays. How many would Dez have needed to catch in these 15 plays for him to be effective by your moving standard?

Now once again show me where a player has gotten into Dez's head and had a negative impact on Dez's performance.

Btw 5 catches and 72 yards equates to 80 catches and 1100 yards on the season. I guess that's not good either?
Or how about this hurtful fact. If Norman would have covered Dez for the entire game (55 plays) he would have ended up with 11 catches for 106 yards. So year Norman really shut him down.

You are right. This is getting embarrassing...for you.