Did anyone notice RW out on a lot of passing downs?

[Daudr]

It was clear they were bringing Roy out on passing downs and not just from the obvious sight of Davis and Watkins getting so many snaps...The buzz in all the media is pretty clear from interviews with the coaches and observations from the booth, Roy is seeing less reps...And, of course, this is a good thing...Moreover, I can't think of one play where a receiver caught a ball in front of or behind Roy (Mainly, of course, because he was rarely out there for those)...And all of this just makes it easier for him to make plays in the way he's most able, tackling on running plays...Jets game, for me, simply showcased how little confidence anyone in Big D has in Roy at the SS spot.

Even with his contract, days numbered?

Yes, because we all know the media know what they are talking about. /sarcasm

I don't understand how some people cannot accept facts when presented to them and instead rely on idiots in the media.

 

[CarlAllDay]

I dont know who's drinking the kool aid but roy is excellent in the box if you watch the games he's either involved in the tackle against the run or short pass or the play is right in front of him and the linebacker already made the stop.

And until somebody finally name me a better starting strong safety in the league please kill the noise.

Adrian wilson dissapeared and arizona's pass defense sucks, kerry rhodes....please, Laron landry.....not even close......

john lynch couldnt cover a bed.........rodney harrison...roids and soon to be retired....... the other landry brother cant compare.....gabril wilson...please

you folks cant name me a strong safety thats supposed to be a good cover safety, and they dont play the box better than roy and if so bring your statbook.

People around here act like Roy is supposed to be some type of god he's supposed tp finish with 11 tackles, 2 forced fumbles, and 1 int every game

come on folks i bet you none of these other fans out there ride their starting safeties that much.

Please raven fans dont scream wheres ed reed, or skins fans doesnt say wow sean taylor doesnt have 9 ints so he's overpaid.

The more i read this board some of you start to sound worse than these eagles fans here in philly.

its funny because even when roy was quote on quote "producing" most of you roy haters couldnt help but keep saying how oh ed reed is better maybe we should've drafted him, or oh troy polamalu is better, now the favorite safety is bob sanders who does nothing on a terrible indy pass defense please that pass rush allows them to have bums like bathea and marlin jackson back there.

Put the remote down and stop stating your opinions off of what john madden says or troy and joe buck is saying.

soo many times people on this board overreacts because an anouncer decides to keep trying to spotlight a player they do it with T.O they'll keep doing close ups saying " oh T.O doesnt look happy, or oh was T.O staring wade phillips down"

then people on this board starts a thread about how T.O hasn't changed.

People need to watch the game with an open mind and dont feed into the bull crap that those announcers try to justify why they're employed.

Yes roy isn't very good in coverage but how many strong safeties are?
And there are worse. ( whoever jason witten torches every single game he plays ride those guys folks!)

The guy strength is in the box and as henry and newman get healthier and ellis and ware continue to wreak havoc we'll see how much more effective roy can be.

 

[Daudr]

I dont know who's drinking the kool aid but roy is excellent in the box if you watch the games he's either involved in the tackle against the run or short pass or the play is right in front of him and the linebacker already made the stop.

And until somebody finally name me a better starting strong safety in the league please kill the noise.

Adrian wilson dissapeared and arizona's pass defense sucks, kerry rhodes....please, Laron landry.....not even close......

john lynch couldnt cover a bed.........rodney harrison...roids and soon to be retired....... the other landry brother cant compare.....gabril wilson...please

you folks cant name me a strong safety thats supposed to be a good cover safety, and they dont play the box better than roy and if so bring your statbook.

People around here act like Roy is supposed to be some type of god he's supposed tp finish with 11 tackles, 2 forced fumbles, and 1 int every game

come on folks i bet you none of these other fans out there ride their starting safeties that much.

Please raven fans dont scream wheres ed reed, or skins fans doesnt say wow sean taylor doesnt have 9 ints so he's overpaid.

The more i read this board some of you start to sound worse than these eagles fans here in philly.

its funny because even when roy was quote on quote "producing" most of you roy haters couldnt help but keep saying how oh ed reed is better maybe we should've drafted him, or oh troy polamalu is better, now the favorite safety is bob sanders who does nothing on a terrible indy pass defense please that pass rush allows them to have bums like bathea and marlin jackson back there.

Put the remote down and stop stating your opinions off of what john madden says or troy and joe buck is saying.

soo many times people on this board overreacts because an anouncer decides to keep trying to spotlight a player they do it with T.O they'll keep doing close ups saying " oh T.O doesnt look happy, or oh was T.O staring wade phillips down"

then people on this board starts a thread about how T.O hasn't changed.

People need to watch the game with an open mind and dont feed into the bull crap that those announcers try to justify why they're employed.

Yes roy isn't very good in coverage but how many strong safeties are?
And there are worse. ( whoever jason witten torches every single game he plays ride those guys folks!)

The guy strength is in the box and as henry and newman get healthier and ellis and ware continue to wreak havoc we'll see how much more effective roy can be.

 

[tomson75]

It was clear they were bringing Roy out on passing downs and not just from the obvious sight of Davis and Watkins getting so many snaps...The buzz in all the media is pretty clear from interviews with the coaches and observations from the booth, Roy is seeing less reps...And, of course, this is a good thing...Moreover, I can't think of one play where a receiver caught a ball in front of or behind Roy (Mainly, of course, because he was rarely out there for those)...And all of this just makes it easier for him to make plays in the way he's most able, tackling on running plays...Jets game, for me, simply showcased how little confidence anyone in Big D has in Roy at the SS spot.

Even with his contract, days numbered?

I admire your continued ignorance in the face of facts. Why let those get in your way, right?

 

[Kangaroo]

Well what is a passing down in the NFL I see a lot of teams run the ball on 3rd and 20 and just punt the ball

Defense are more about situations and packages the other teams run and the game plan for that week.

None the less Roy is coming off the field in 3wr sets which teams run for several reasons to try and spread the field for the running game and to pass from.

Why is it earlier in the year Roy did not come off in 3wr sets and now he does ?

So now people are arguing over what is a passing down and a running down. Why ? 3rd and 1 is not always a running play is it most the time yes but not always and it varies from team to team and sometimes changes in the game depending on what the team has struggled to do etc.

Lets stick to the facts Roy is coming off the field in a package design for 3wr set.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Roy is not good in coverage, he does excel in the box....the Cowboys do have an experienced and talented Pat Watkins sitting on the bench, so I don't see any harm in taking him out more often in obvious passing downs and it will happen more often as we move along.

 

[superpunk]

Have we cut Roy Williams yet?

I await the update.

 

[smarta5150]

Have we cut Roy Williams yet?

I await the update.

Sine there are at least a dozen people who can easily replace him the news should come soon

 

[tomson75]

Sine there are at least a dozen people who can easily replace him the news should come soon

I hear Keith Davis has the inside track. Championship!

 

[superpunk]

Sine there are at least a dozen people who can easily replace him the news should come soon

Any day now. We'd have probably done it already if he didn't have an enormous contract that makes it impossible to cut him for sucking harder than Space Balls' vacuum of doom.

 

[smarta5150]

Any day now. We'd have probably done it already if he didn't have an enormous contract that makes it impossible to cut him for sucking harder than Space Balls' vacuum of doom.

1...1...2...2...3...3...4...4...5...5......... AMAZING!

 

[JPM]

Any day now. We'd have probably done it already if he didn't have an enormous contract that makes it impossible to cut him for sucking harder than Space Balls' vacuum of doom.

When will RW go from suck to blow ?

 

[Cowboyz88]

Adam, I respect your research - I really do. Thanks for the time you put into it.

That said, while I, admittedly, haven't been in Roy's corner for a while and I truly do not intend to flame you or anyone else, but I do have a legitimate question.

You've noted that Roy was off the field for seven plays, and I was wondering if you also knew how many times he was also lined-up at the nickel or dime LB?

It seems to me that in addition to being removed from the field at times, that he has also been lined up somewhere other than SS.

I ask because I gather from your posts that you are a fan of Roy's, but it's my contention that while he may be good in the box, his time at SS, as a result of coaches (not mine) decisions, is becoming less and less.

Again, I don't want to stir anything up, just talking football.

 

[superpunk]

1...1...2...2...3...3...4...4...5...5......... AMAZING!

That's the stupidest combination I've ever heard in my life.

When will RW go from suck to blow ?

We're not just doing it for the money...we're doing it for a ****-LOAD of money!

 

[smarta5150]

Come back you fat bearded *****!

 

[Kangaroo]

Here is what chaps my hid about what is a passing down or not. This varies by formation; teams; coordinators etc.

The Dallas defense in film obviously caught on to a trend on 2nd down and 3wr sets.

What is a passing down depends on the team for one thing just because Dallas does it x% of the time does not mean the Jets do it x % of the time.

The coaches I bet found that the jets on 2nd down and and 3wr sets throws the ball x% of the time and runs y% of the time. So when the jets went to 3wr sets if we thought they where going to run more than they threw from it we would not have went to a passing defense set. So despite what people are calling a passing down or not the coaches found a trend that said it was a passing down for the jets since it looks like the Jets threw the ball 6 out of 7 times in this game they got it right.

Now if I try to apply that to say assumption to the Steelers then I would probably get burned on that play.

So while we may see and chart some of what Dallas does. I doubt anyone on this board does it for every team before we faced them. I wish I had access to that info one can only wish.

All those Quality Control coaches usually break down those types of stats during the week and I am sure before that of every team we will be playing this year. They compile the % of pass vs run from a formation and I am dam sure they have it broken down by down and distance categories as well for those formations.

So what is or is not a passing down is not Black and White 2nd-10 may or may not depending on the team and which formation they use.

 

[AdamJT13]

So when the jets went to 3wr sets if we thought they where going to run more than they threw from it we would not have went to a passing defense set.

You're missing the whole point -- it's NOT a passing defense set, it's a RUNNING defense set. If we thought the Jets probably were going to pass, we would have brought in an extra defensive back or two, like we do when it's a passing situation. In passing situations, we don't leave seven front-seven guys on the field with only four defensive backs. The single-safety set does just that. If it was a "passing" set, we would have used it at least once in a passing situation by now -- on third down, late in the game when the opponent is passing on every down, etc. But we have NEVER used it in those situations.

 

[Kangaroo]

You're missing the whole point -- it's NOT a passing defense set, it's a RUNNING defense set. If we thought the Jets probably were going to pass, we would have brought in an extra defensive back or two, like we do when it's a passing situation. In passing situations, we don't leave seven front-seven guys on the field with only four defensive backs. The single-safety set does just that. If it was a "passing" set, we would have used it at least once in a passing situation by now -- on third down, late in the game when the opponent is passing on every down, etc. But we have NEVER used it in those situations.

If Roy is the better run stopping safety why was Hamlin in there when Roy is the better safety in run support or suppose to be

 

[AdamJT13]

It was clear they were bringing Roy out on passing downs

Psst ... you're late to this thread. That never happened.

 

[AdamJT13]

If Roy is the better run stopping safety why was Hamlin in there when Roy is the better safety in run support or suppose to be

Because that set calls for the safety to play a deep center field. You've got three cornerbacks generally playing press man-to-man coverage in that set, with linebackers on the tight end and running back and the safety playing deep over the top of everyone. If any of those cornerbacks get beaten off the line, the safety has to get over the top, potentially at either sideline, and Hamlin has more range than Roy does. Go back and look at some of the replays and see how deep Hamlin is in that set. No matter who the safety is, they're not going to be a huge factor against the run if they're playing that deep.

And according to Wade, we have used the single-safety with Roy back there instead of Hamlin. But nobody cares if Hamlin goes out for a play here and there.