Did Brady and Gronk just prove Bill is human?

mattjames2010

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It's hard to win in this league without a QB and Cam Newton was awful this year. Belichick is still one of the greatest coaches in all of sports and it's not like the Patriots were god awful this year either, they are also a team a QB away from being right back in the thick of things. Bill will have to start drafting better though.
 

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eh, no.

Bill took 6 teams to superbowl wins with players few can name.

Brady just went to win 1 superbowl with a STACKED team with tons of big talent.

And all that talent was 7-9 the previous year. Brady could have carried any of 15 teams to the super bowl this year. NE has the worst set of skill position players outside of philly and Brady wasn't sticking around to see how far he could carry Bill and his defense. If you don't respect 7 rings, you don't respect the game.
 

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Yes and no. The Patriots have Cam Newton...who is going to vastly limit your offense. Dude looked like a sloth out there.
 

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And all that talent was 7-9 the previous year. Brady could have carried any of 15 teams to the super bowl this year. NE has the worst set of skill position players outside of philly and Brady wasn't sticking around to see how far he could carry Bill and his defense. If you don't respect 7 rings, you don't respect the game.

they wouldnt have been 7-9 had Jameis not gave away 1000 turnovers.

Nearly any other QB would have had them well into the playoffs.
 

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they wouldnt have been 7-9 had Jameis not gave away 1000 turnovers.

Nearly any other QB would have had them well into the playoffs.
Lol it's not even just Brady's play that makes the difference, it's the confidence he intstills in them. Just look at the post game interviews with the Bucs players and how they talk about Brady. He's the goat
 

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Also for those questioning Bill Belichicks greatness, he had to deal with a league high 8 players that opted out, which 3 I believe were starters. And went 7-9 with a team whose qb threw for 8tds and 10 ints on the season, not many coaches win that many games with that type of qb play, honestly most would have the number one pick if their qb had those numbers. Hell the Gardner Minshew threw for 16 tds and 5 ints and only started 9 games, and they have the number one pick in the draft
 

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not even close. so many factors go into outcome that Brady going to an already talented team (who went out & acquired even more talent) and winning says nothing about Bill.

no doubt Brady raised the level of play around him moreso than any other FA QB they could have brought in but he learned about how the details matter from Bill not the other way round.

Brady won a SB in his second year in the league. In the SB he threw for 145 yards, one touchdown. Great job, eh? Yeah it was all Brady....
 

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Also for those questioning Bill Belichicks greatness, he had to deal with a league high 8 players that opted out, which 3 I believe were starters. And went 7-9 with a team whose qb threw for 8tds and 10 ints on the season, not many coaches win that many games with that type of qb play, honestly most would have the number one pick if their qb had those numbers. Hell the Gardner Minshew threw for 16 tds and 5 ints and only started 9 games, and they have the number one pick in the draft

Well let's see, Pats have their starting qb leave, they go 7-9. Cowboys lose theirs due to injury early in the season and go 6-10.

Could it be that losing your starting quarterback means your coaching can't do much?
 

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Well let's see, Pats have their starting qb leave, they go 7-9. Cowboys lose theirs due to injury early in the season and go 6-10.

Could it be that losing your starting quarterback means your coaching can't do much?
We were 1-4 with our starting qb
 

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Brady won a SB in his second year in the league. In the SB he threw for 145 yards, one touchdown. Great job, eh? Yeah it was all Brady....

Who is arguing it's all Brady? Simple fact is, when Brady needed to, he stepped up and made clutch throws on the biggest stage. He was doing it in college too, watch the Michigan championship.
 

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Well let's see, Pats have their starting qb leave, they go 7-9. Cowboys lose theirs due to injury early in the season and go 6-10.

Could it be that losing your starting quarterback means your coaching can't do much?

Losing the starting QB is big. Both the Pats and the Cowboys also lost several other starters this season. Dallas was a mess on the offensive line due to injury. Losing 1 starting offensive lineman is a regular challenge for teams. Dallas lost most of their line due to injury. The Pats had several players opt out for the season. Injuries are an issue for every team, but I think Dallas had more than their fair share this season. Tom Brady wouldn't be in the playoffs with the Cowboys this year.
 

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In NE, Brady had a super genius coach and almost always had a good D. In TB Brady was overloaded w/ talent and a HC who let him run the O. After it was failing, of course.

Why in the world is it so hard to comprehend that it was both in NE? Why are you guys fighting over the obvious?
 

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I mean obviously both guys are stone cold HOF locks. Belichick was an amazing team builder as GM as well as HC until about 2017, at which point he hit a terminal dry spell in multiple drafts and had some bad FA/trade moves.

The GM job to build the 2014-2017 teams was basically god tier. 2018 was already kind of running on fumes though but some amazing coaching on D pulled them through at the end. By 2019-2020 all the chickens had come home to roost with a depleted offense plus no cap space meaning they couldn't pay Brady AND give him weapons to make him want to play. Maybe he's slipping as GM, or maybe it was just a run of bad luck.

My bias is towards Brady simply because ultimately it's players that play the game. Without the players a gameplan is just a list of things that don't happen. But of course 2020 Brady is only the guy he in part because of Belichick, so the whole argument tends to go in circles.
 

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I mean obviously both guys are stone cold HOF locks. Belichick was an amazing team builder as GM as well as HC until about 2017, at which point he hit a terminal dry spell in multiple drafts and had some bad FA/trade moves.

The GM job to build the 2014-2017 teams was basically god tier. 2018 was already kind of running on fumes though but some amazing coaching on D pulled them through at the end. By 2019-2020 all the chickens had come home to roost with a depleted offense plus no cap space meaning they couldn't pay Brady AND give him weapons to make him want to play. Maybe he's slipping as GM, or maybe it was just a run of bad luck.

My bias is towards Brady simply because ultimately it's players that play the game. Without the players a gameplan is just a list of things that don't happen. But of course 2020 Brady is only the guy he in part because of Belichick, so the whole argument tends to go in circles.
this is a pretty level headed take. My issue with the entire argument is for most people, its either/or. And it wasn't. It was both. At times BB carried Brady; and at other times Brady carried BB.

and you are correct, BB has to step it up a bit draft wise. That N'Keal Harry pick is god awful. Liking the Uche/Dugger picks though... With Caserio joining the God Squad in Houtson, maybe a new voice in the front office / war room will help
 

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Brady won a SB in his second year in the league. In the SB he threw for 145 yards, one touchdown. Great job, eh? Yeah it was all Brady....
Tom Brady took over a team that was 5-13 under Belichick and went 14-3 the rest of the season, including winning a little soiree we call "Super Bowl 36".

So yeah, I'd say that was a great f'ing job.
 
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