Did Greenbay expose our Run-D???

[The Panch]

Whatever man, you are great when you see all the cards face up but the reality of it all is the coaches and players see the cards face down.

Adjustments are needed in EVERY game at halftime.

If you wanna keep running around like a chicken with its head cut off then by all means do so... just be prepared for similar responses.

I love the fact how you're basically ignoring what I said about the previous games which like I said, we didnt do a good job of stopping Campbell and had he not been a dumb rookie, he wouldnt have tried to force a pass that wasnt there and they still would've had plenty of time with great field position. Just because we got a "Clutch Defense" late in the game doesnt change the fact that there's certain points where like Jon Kitna said in January about Bradie, they look lost. Anybody who sees those crucial 3rd down 10 yard passes we give up and tries to act like that isnt something that's been a problem for awhile now is a fool.

Whenever I talk about that game I said, we stole one. Now, given my scientific background , I want to know how it is facing reality using a small sample size. Why don't you wait till after the Eagles game, before you start running around here like you're a chicken with it's head cut off. I mean honestly, anyone who is basing there hypothesis squarely on two games, shouldn't tell people to face reality. BTW, those rankings usually are pretty accurate.

What's funny is how you're trying to argue rankings with the running game when my post clearly was attacking the major holes left in the field that affects the passing game just as much as the run.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

3rd and long could very well be our demise.

It needs to be addressed... pressurized.... Teams are VERY confident in 3rd and long against us... I dont like it.... it leaves the defense out much longer

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I love the fact how you're basically ignoring what I said about the previous games which like I said, we didnt do a good job of stopping Campbell and had he not been a dumb rookie, he wouldnt have tried to force a pass that wasnt there and they still would've had plenty of time with great field position. Just because we got a "Clutch Defense" late in the game doesnt change the fact that there's certain points where like Jon Kitna said in January about Bradie, they look lost. Anybody who sees those crucial 3rd down 10 yard passes we give up and tries to act like that isnt something that's been a problem for awhile now is a fool.

Well by the same token, you are ignoring the fact that this was a fired up Lions team that we were playing. The Lion fans themselves said that the lions would have just layed down for us if Newman hadn't made those comments.

What's funny is how you're trying to argue rankings with the running game when my post clearly was attacking the major holes left in the field that affects the passing game just as much as the run.

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I never said that we didn't need work on the pass defense. But overall, the defense has stepped up this year when we needed it to. Also, do note I said it might be a good idea if we draft to fix our pass D this offseason. Also, Henry and Newman have been playing injured. We do have two cowboys with 5 interception this year. That's good.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

3rd and long could very well be our demise.

It needs to be addressed... pressurized.... Teams are VERY confident in 3rd and long against us... I dont like it.... it leaves the defense out much longer

Maybe it is a sign of the times though? Romo has been good at 3rd and long. Perhaps, the league has changed the rules to favor the receiver. You think?

 

[LowTech]

Some people just want to be able to go back to a post they made so they can say, see I told you so. Otherwise, they'll never bring it up and hope everyone forgets.

 

[The Panch]

INT's are great for career stats and top 10 plays, but doesnt change the fact that we give up alot of easy dunks for minimal 1st downs. If the Detroit game was the first time it happened, especially towards a cocky defense who somehow thought giving themselves bulettin board material would make them play better, then I would have no problems. Yes, guys like Ware and Newman really disappointed me with their play, but that doesnt change the fact that this isnt the first time. My problem is, this has been a major problem against an average team(I'll excuse the NE debacale) since Washington exposed it even more than it already had been that we leave alot of space for short yardage cause of our excessiveness against stopping the deep pass.

 

[Idgit]

INT's are great for career stats and top 10 plays, but doesnt change the fact that we give up alot of easy dunks for minimal 1st downs. If the Detroit game was the first time it happened, especially towards a cocky defense who somehow thought giving themselves bulettin board material would make them play better, then I would have no problems. Yes, guys like Ware and Newman really disappointed me with their play, but that doesnt change the fact that this isnt the first time. My problem is, this has been a major problem against an average team(I'll excuse the NE debacale) since Washington exposed it even more than it already had been that we leave alot of space for short yardage cause of our excessiveness against stopping the deep pass.

Our defense if designed to stop the run and the long ball and to have the secondary on the outside looking in at how the play develops in order to be opportunistic. It's done exactly that with the exception of the problems we had in the first half with the run in Detroit and the time our starting CBs have been injured.

Stopping slants and comeback routes is not the highest priority. Instead, we force teams to complete a lot of short passes and be patient. We stiffen up when the secondary gets compressed by the back of the endzone, and teams end up with turnovers or field goals in situations where they have to really compete with our offense that can essentially score when it needs to. It doesn't matter that Jason Campbell played really well and was able to complete his passes. Eventually, he made a mistake that cost his team the game. Same with Rodgers in GB.

Teams like NE and the Colts are going to win the matchup with our defense right now. They just are. To beat them, our best bet is going to be for our offense to actually produce even more and win the matchup with the opposing defenses by an even wider margin.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Ints are also key to winning games. But honestly, I do remember a few games this season where the announcer said that there was nobody open, or that our coverage was good. This part of the season, we've had two unusual games. Greenbay, farv goes out and we hadn't prepared for his backup -- who is a good scrambler. Detroit, A lot of smack talking went on before the game, and football is a game of emotion. When looking at the green bay game you have to think, Patriots vs. Eagles. Feely had a field day on the Patriots because they prepared for McNabb and not for him. Once a team got to watch film on the kid, he didn't look so good anymore. Same thing with us and Greenbay. Same thing with this weekend's Commander's came. The QB that the homers on ES been saying should represent them, will not do as good against the Midgets, as some of the smarter ES people pointed out. If Farve would have stayed in the GB game, it would have been one of our best defensive performances of the year.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Maybe it is a sign of the times though? Romo has been good at 3rd and long. Perhaps, the league has changed the rules to favor the receiver. You think?

I dont know about the other teams... or the league average or if its higher this year than years past...

What I would like to see is some calculated route jumping if we are gonna give these cushions... offense dont fear getting picked off...

 

[Idgit]

Ints are also key to winning games. But honestly, I do remember a few games this season where the announcer said that there was nobody open, or that our coverage was good. This part of the season, we've had two unusual games. Greenbay, farv goes out and we hadn't prepared for his backup -- who is a good scrambler. Detroit, A lot of smack talking went on before the game, and football is a game of emotion. When looking at the green bay game you have to think, Patriots vs. Eagles. Feely had a field day on the Patriots because they prepared for McNabb and not for him. Once a team got to watch film on the kid, he didn't look so good anymore. Same thing with us and Greenbay. Same thing with this weekend's Commander's came. The QB that the homers on ES been saying should represent them, will not do as good against the Midgets, as some of the smarter ES people pointed out. If Farve would have stayed in the GB game, it would have been one of our best defensive performances of the year.

Rodgers executed the gameplan that GB should have gone with at the start against us. I'm not sure what Favre and this HC of the Year were thinking they were going to accomplish early on in that game.

In a rematch, though, they'll have to do the same. Take the underneath stuff and hope to break it v. cover us in man and get eaten alive or switch to zone and get eaten alive some more.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Rodgers executed the gameplan that GB should have gone with at the start against us. I'm not sure what Favre and this HC of the Year were thinking they were going to accomplish early on in that game.

In a rematch, though, they'll have to do the same. Take the underneath stuff and hope to break it v. cover us in man and get eaten alive or switch to zone and get eaten alive some more.

I think Wade said after the game they didn't game plan for a scrambling Quarterback I think even if Farve would have went back to their type of game, they still would have been 0wned that day. Them switching QBs was an unexpected change in momentum.

 

[VietCowboy]

Um, the streak continued.

No team has had a 100 yard rusher against us in 14 games.

I think you meant to say RB there, Detroit rushed for over 150.

hypnotoad is quite correct in saying that there hasn't been a team that has had a rusher (usually a RB) that has had over 100 yards against us.

Now if he said "No team has had a 100 yard rush against us in 14 games" you can point out his mistake saying that Detroit has had over 150.

 

[burmafrd]

We were not ready and Ware has admitted the D wanted to get to Kitna early and we were not disciplined in stopping the run. That got us off balance and we never really recovered. It did not help that the coaches got conservative as well.
So that game is like the Buffalo game- lessons to be learned.
Washington we deliberately allowed a lot of what campbell did feeling that we would win anyway. It was closer then it should have been but it worked.
Against GB we let down when favre went out and once you do that it is virtually impossible to get the edge back.
In none of those games was the quality and talent of the D in question.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

We were focused to much on the pass.....we cannot seem to do both

 

[Brad0Walker]

We did not expect detroit to run the ball at all. They really suprised us when they came out running. After halftime, we did not completely stop them, but they were slowed down considerably compared to the first half. If it werent for the 65 yarder by grant, green bay would have had less than 30 yds against us.

 

[Doomsday101]

I am haveing flashbacks from the Saints game breakdown last year.Did Green Bay expose us for being able to run on us up the gut,like the quick passes Brees did last year?

It seems as we can be ran against when runningbacks not nescessarily run through hole but small 3 foot cracks.It's not like we are getting man handled by the offensive line,but runningbacks are popping out of small between people holes.

Then it seems as if there is nobody in the secondary to come fill the hole once they break clean.On both of the 35 plus yard runs(Duckett and Grant)both busted through the line and went the distance.It seems when watching,they went through a hole that wasn't there,I was thinkung they had to turn sideways to fit through the hole,thats how small it was.

I haven't seen anybody all year run around the end for a touchdown.Unlike last year I haven't seen our d-line getting owned either.

Not really other than 1 run the Pack did not do much in the overall running game. Det I think did suprise Dallas by coming out and running when they had not been doing that all season long. 2nd half Dallas pretty much shut down the lions running attack.

 

[PullMyFinger]

I dont know why but for some reason the Lion's give us fits anyway. They have for a while now.

 

[SultanOfSix]

"The Panch" sounds just like bbgun.

 

[Idgit]

I dont know why but for some reason the Lion's give us fits anyway. They have for a while now.

Yep. I said before the games that I was more worried about the Lions than I was the Packers. Lions and Saints have given us headaches for years.

 

[zeromaster]

I wish people would quit getting worked up about people exposing themselves, or other people.