DMN Blog: A different look at Glenn situation

[WoodysGirl]

10:26 AM Thu, May 29, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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As Calvin reported this morning, the Cowboys want Glenn to accept a split-salary of sorts should he be placed on injured reserve in 2008 because of his right knee, which required two surgeries last year.

Glenn doesn't want to do it because he doesn't want to cost himself any money. That makes sense. I'm on a player's side on this one. They play a sport filled with violent collisions. They need to collect as much as they can when they can. We've all seen the stories of the retired players having difficult times with walking or dementia. It's a huge risk to play in the NFL.

But the Cowboys deserve some protection too, don't they? Glenn made $5.82 million last season, split between a $5 million roster bonus and a base salary of $820,000. The club's return on that investment was four regular-season snaps against the Commanders.

Glenn is due to make $1.7 million this year. If he gets placed on IR because of the right knee injury then they want him to collect $500,000. If he goes on IR with a left knee injury, he still gets the $1.7 million. I half wonder if he would get the full amount if he had his right knee rolled up while blocking for Marion Barber. Something tells me Jones would consider giving him the full amount.

Where do you guys come down on this?





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Healthy Terry Glenn would be 'giant plus'
10:08 AM Thu, May 29, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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Jerry Jones has talked up Terry Glenn like he expects the guy to get right back to being a 1,000-yard receiver. Jerry's actions, however, indicate that he isn't very confident that Glenn's right knee will allow him to return to pre-injury form.

Calvin "Lucky" Watkins reports that the Cowboys want Glenn to accept a $500,000 settlement if he suffers another season-ending injury to the knee. Glenn isn't budging, wanting his $1.74 million salary no matter what.

Jerry has pumped sunshine about Glenn publicly. Wade Phillips had a much more realistic response when asked about Glenn while chatting with a couple intrepid bloggers.

"He'd be a plus," Phillips said. "I think you look at him, because you have him, as a health issue. If he's healthy, he's going to be a giant plus. That's the way we look at him."


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[Stash]

Glenn made $5.82 million last season, split between a $5 million roster bonus and a base salary of $820,000. The club's return on that investment was four regular-season snaps against the Commanders.

That's where I think I come down on the argument.

Seems to me that Glenn was well paid last year for contributing next to nothing.

More than anyone else, he should see that. And he should also know that his playing future is an iffy proposition at best.

Seems to me that his actions give away his true intentions, to get paid no matter how much or how little he contributes.

I think the Cowboys have been good to him, stepping up with a new deal last season when they weren't contractually obligated to do so (to the best I can remember anyway).

I think the team needs to continue to look for a way to add a veteran receiver and not have to count on Glenn.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

That's where I think I come down on the argument.

Seems to me that Glenn was well paid last year for contributing next to nothing.

yeah, I looked at that too, about collecting over 5 mil for basically doing nothing, which was pretty convincing, he already cashed in on doing nothing, shouldn't happen again

plus I tend to side w/ the Cowboy's organization over the players

 

[theogt]

He definitely "owes" the team for last year.

 

[bbgun]

Seems to me that his actions give away his true intentions, to get paid no matter how much or how little he contributes.

Well, that's my life strategy. Keep it under your hat.

 

[Monster Heel]

The Cowboys need to go ahead and cut ties with him. I felt like they should've last year in all honesty.

 

[PosterChild]

He definitely "owes" the team for last year.

Well, he had some nerve being hurt.

 

[FCBarca]

There's definitely two legitimate sides to this argument, IMHO...On the one hand, the employer has a right to protect themselves from further financial loss and on the other, the employee has a right to insure livelihood...Especially considering that livelihood has been based on putting themselves in harm's way playing a pretty violent game for the benefit of their employer & fans.

Still, I keep going back to my original argument however moot it may be now...He should've had the microfx surgery last year and he declined it eventhough it was the club's recommended course of action.

So while I love the player, I gotta side with Jerry on this one

 

[theogt]

Well, he had some nerve being hurt.

He should have returned much earlier. He and the team prolonged his return to make sure he was able to contribute in the playoffs, but in reality, it would have helped if he'd returned much earlier because he was so rusty.

He needs us much more than we need him this year. There's no reason to pay him $7.5 million for only playing in a handful of games. He deserves to bear SOME risk, since the team bore the brunt of it already.

If we cut him, there's not a team in the league that'll be willing to pay him $1.7 million.

 

[Alexander]

It would set a horrible example for any player fighting to return from an injury on both sides. You simply don't see players going for deals like this from what I have seen. I can understand why the team wants a favor returned but still.

I don't think it is necessarily right for Dallas to ask, nor should Glenn be obligated. Ultimately it will come down to how serious the team is about this. It bears watching. I have a suspicion that he will end up being released and this holding him out of contact is a prelude to that.

 

[PosterChild]

There's definitely two legitimate sides to this argument, IMHO...On the one hand, the employer has a right to protect themselves from further financial loss and on the other, the employee has a right to insure livelihood...Especially considering that livelihood has been based on putting themselves in harm's way playing a pretty violent game for the benefit of their employer & fans.

Still, I keep going back to my original argument however moot it may be now...He should've had the microfx surgery last year and he declined it eventhough it was the club's recommended course of action.

So while I love the player, I gotta side with Jerry on this one

I concur. And Terry doesn't have any leverage here, really. Hope he swallers his pride and contributes in the manner the team envisions. (At least as I suspect they do)

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

The Cowboys need to go ahead and cut ties with him. I felt like they should've last year in all honesty.

Agreed.... but the blame goes to both... the Cowboys allowed him to stay and collect.

I think this "split salary" is a make or break deal.

If he doesnt split - then let him go.

 

[Hostile]

Maybe it's just me, but I think some of this is delusional. A big chunk of Glenn's salary in 2007 was in the form of a roster bonus. I believe 3 million of it in fact, payable on June 1. We could have waived him to avoid paying that roster bonus. We didn't.

Big damned deal he played 4 snaps in the regular. When you sign a player to a contract you do so with the knowledge that this is football and people do get hurt and could miss time. That's a built in risk and a sunk cost.

Yes, I want more for Jerry's money than 4 snaps and a lackluster performance in the playoffs, but let's at least be realistic.

 

[PosterChild]

He should have returned much earlier. He and the team prolonged his return to make sure he was able to contribute in the playoffs, but in reality, it would have helped if he'd returned much earlier because he was so rusty.

He needs us much more than we need him this year. There's no reason to pay him $7.5 million for only playing in a handful of games. He deserves to bear SOME risk, since the team bore the brunt of it already.

If we cut him, there's not a team in the league that'll be willing to pay him $1.7 million.

It appeared to me that what you perceived as 'rust' was a physical limitation even at the end of his prolonged absence. He looked wobbly, unbalanced when he finally made it back. And there are still significant doubts about the integrity of the joint despite the optimistic lines we hear from VR and Glenn. This injury settlement proposal is proof of those concerns.

It's lunchtime

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I agree with both sides.

Jerry Jones is being extremely prudent in what he is asking. Terry Glenn also understand that this is a business and he does not want to cost himself any money.

As someone else stated, both sides understand the risk/rewards when the contract is being signed.

 

[theogt]

It appeared to me that what you perceived as 'rust' was a physical limitation even at the end of his prolonged absence. He looked wobbly, unbalanced when he finally made it back. And there are still significant doubts about the integrity of the joint despite the optimistic lines we hear from VR and Glenn. This injury settlement proposal is proof of those concerns.

It's lunchtime

I just saw a player that was timid and cautious. He looked physically strong, but unsure of himself (i.e., rusty).

 

[Maikeru-sama]

It appeared to me that what you perceived as 'rust' was a physical limitation even at the end of his prolonged absence. He looked wobbly, unbalanced when he finally made it back. And there are still significant doubts about the integrity of the joint despite the optimistic lines we hear from VR and Glenn. This injury settlement proposal is proof of those concerns.

It's lunchtime

Could be.

I personally think it was mental.

When Terry Glenn came back to play against the Commanders, like most players he come back from those type of injuries, he seemed a bit timid and overly cautious.

Also, during the final Commanders game, one of their players slid towards his knee on one play, whether accidental or not, and after that hit, it did seem like Terry Glenn was hobbling around and he didn't return to the game after that.

Jerry Jones is being very prudent here.

 

[FCBarca]

It would set a horrible example for any player fighting to return from an injury on both sides. You simply don't see players going for deals like this from what I have seen. I can understand why the team wants a favor returned but still.

I don't think it is necessarily right for Dallas to ask, nor should Glenn be obligated. Ultimately it will come down to how serious the team is about this. It bears watching. I have a suspicion that he will end up being released and this holding him out of contact is a prelude to that.

Definitely...And that's where I see Glenn's history with holdouts etc. being a problem in how this ultimately plays out...Somehow, I see release in his future.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Maybe it's just me, but I think some of this is delusional. A big chunk of Glenn's salary in 2007 was in the form of a roster bonus. I believe 3 million of it in fact, payable on June 1. We could have waived him to avoid paying that roster bonus. We didn't.

Big damned deal he played 4 snaps in the regular. When you sign a player to a contract you do so with the knowledge that this is football and people do get hurt and could miss time. That's a built in risk and a sunk cost.

Yes, I want more for Jerry's money than 4 snaps and a lackluster performance in the playoffs, but let's at least be realistic.

which is why Dallas wants Glenn to sign that insurance, he's one play away from getting messed up again

 

[Xy_Oldone]

Maybe it's just me, but I think some of this is delusional. A big chunk of Glenn's salary in 2007 was in the form of a roster bonus. I believe 3 million of it in fact, payable on June 1. We could have waived him to avoid paying that roster bonus. We didn't.

Big damned deal he played 4 snaps in the regular. When you sign a player to a contract you do so with the knowledge that this is football and people do get hurt and could miss time. That's a built in risk and a sunk cost.

Yes, I want more for Jerry's money than 4 snaps and a lackluster performance in the playoffs, but let's at least be realistic.

I agree.

Also it might be Glenns last year. Why risk only getting paid 500k. Trust me if they cut him some team will overpay for his services. 1.7 million is not much if he comes out and preforms up to his ability. Its pretty cheap. Glenn can be one of the best. I say pay him. If not I am sure the Dolphins will.