DMN Blog: At least one HOF voter (King) isn't sure Bob Hayes should be enshrined

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It's fair to say Peter King doesn't think Bob Hayes is a Hall of Fame player, although he thinks there's a pretty good chance Hayes will be enshrined in pro football's hallowed halls this weekend.

This is what King wrote about Hayes in his column last week:

"There's a lot of momentum for Hayes, and I put his chances this high because he's one of two seniors. Lots of the old players think Hayes should have been in long ago, and I think he'll be sold hard by those in the room on his side. I am unconvinced that he "changed the game,'' as many of his advocates say, but I will be open to his candidacy."​

I've known King for years and picked his brain on more than one occasion. So when I saw him today before the Cardinals' media session, I asked why he wasn't sold on Bob Hayes.

He gave me one name: Homer Jones, a speedster known more for inventing the touchdown spike than playing receiver.

Is Hayes that much better than Jones? Do you still think he's a no-brainer?


King told me the stats between Hayes and Jones were comparable during their first five seasons. Jones, for those of you who don't know, was a 9.2 sprinter in the 100-yard dash; Hayes ran it in 9.1 seconds.

King urged me to check out the stats for myself and make my own decision.
If you want the year-by-year for Jones, go here. For Hayes, you can find it here.

Bottom line: In Hayes' first five seasons, he caught 252 passes for 4,888 yards (a 19.3 average) with 49 touchdowns, while Jones caught 172 passes for 4,101 yards (a 23.8 average) with 34 touchdowns.

"No one has ever been able to tell me why Bob Hayes changed the game," said King, "and Homer Jones didn't."

Here's a piece five years ago that Paul Zimmer, one of the journalists King respects most, wrote about Hayes' impact on the game.

King has a Hall of Fame vote. What he thinks matters.

 

[dallasfaniac]

Why is it that we are comparing the first 5 years again? Oh yeah, because that's all the longer Jones lasted. How about we also compare Superbowls and such or overall career stats.

 

[LucaBrasi]

I generally like Peter King, but he's somewhat pompous and a hypocrite. Nobody has explained to him how Hayes changed the game? Well, none other than Dr. Z who Peter called the "greatest football writer of our time" just one month ago, wrote this in the article that is linked:

"So coaches came up with a double zone to try to control him. A cornerback would play him tight as he came off the line—in those days defenders could do anything they wanted to a receiver, except grab and hold—and another defensive back would pick him up deep. Or coaches would assign the deepest defensive back, usually the free safety, to make sure he stayed behind Hayes, which opened up vast areas underneath. No other player caused that kind of strategic overhaul of the defensive game." Guess Pete wasn't reading much of Dr. Z's writing.

I'd ask Fat Peter how Jones' and Hayes' numbers are similar but he likely wouldn't respond. Seems like Hayes had 80 more catches for nearly 800 more yards and 15 more tds in their first 5 seasons. Pretty significant difference especially given teams didn't pass as much back then and there was a 12-14 game schedule.

But Peter is probably more concerned about getting his fat can into his first class seat on the plane, the below average barista at his local Stabucks, or his fantasy baseball draft to do any meaningful research on Bob Hayes.

 

[Hostile]

Homer Jones? That is what he is using a litmus test? I have always thought that on this subject Peter King was brain dead. There's no thinking involved any more. I now know he is brain dead.

Uh Peter (double entendre meaning to the greeting right now), learn the damned game. Listen to the legends of that time. Have you ever heard of any of them touting Homer Jones for the Hall of Fame like they do Hayes?

That's because he couldn't carry Hayes' jockstrap as a football player just like you can't carry someone like Jim Murray's crumpled up notes as a reporter!!!

I honestly can't wait until this moronic piece of **** is off the Hall of Fame voting committee. Forgive my rant. It literally burns me up that brain dead jerks like this are allowed a vote for the Hall of Fame.

 

[bbgun]

Homer Jones? That is what he is using a litmus test? I have always thought that on this subject Peter King was brain dead. There's no thinking involved any more. I now know he is brain dead..

Confession: I had no idea who Homer Jones was before I clicked on this thread.

I honestly can't wait until this moronic piece of **** is off the Hall of Fame voting committee. Forgive my rant. It literally burns me up that brain dead jerks like this are allowed a vote for the Hall of Fame

What? You mean you're not a fan of his public love letters to Favre, his obsession with Starbucks, his stint as manager of his precocious daughter's softball team, his tedious airline travel diaries, or his complete and utter unfamiliarity with pop cultural shows like "Family Guy"? Hater.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Kinig = over-rated moronic pile of bull dung.

 

[Zaxor]

in 64 & 65 when HoJo started (a year before Bobby) he racked up less than 1000 yards combined (82 , 709) it wasn't till he looked at how Bobby done things in 65 (1003) that hojo had his break out year in 66... or that Bobby had 13 TD's Rushing & Receiving his rookie year where it took HoJo 3 years to do that (he had 14 after his 3rd year) and Bobby led the league his first 2 years in TD reception (that is why Bobby and not HOJO because of the TD's)and than finished 3rd in the league his next 2 years...

King is an idiot

 

[HighTechDave]

and where, pray-tell, is peter King from????

Probably part of the North East Generic Sports talk group. GAWD I pity any Cowboys fans that have to live there and listen to that moronic "self-serving" babble of supposed Sports Experts

/rant

 

[Hostile]

and where, pray-tell, is peter King from????

Probably part of the North East Generic Sports talk group. GAWD I pity any Cowboys fans that have to live there and listen to that moronic "self-serving" babble of supposed Sports Experts

/rant

The Boston area.

 

[Hostile]

Confession: I had no idea who Homer Jones was before I clicked on this thread.



What? You mean you're not a fan of his public love letters to Favre, his obsession with Starbucks, his stint as manager of his precocious daughter's softball team, his tedious airline travel diaries, or his complete and utter unfamiliarity with pop cultural shows like "Family Guy"? Hater.

Nope. Not a fan at all. I think he should have a window installed in his stomach so that he can see where he is going since it seems impossible to believe he will simply pull his head out. He sure has it wedged up there a long way.

 

[bbgun]

The Boston area.

NJ, actually.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Tell us how you really feel Hos. Don't hold back now......give it to us straight :laugh1:

 

[YosemiteSam]

He gave me one name: Homer Jones, a speedster known more for inventing the touchdown spike than playing receiver.

Is Hayes that much better than Jones? Do you still think he's a no-brainer?

Homer Jones was speed only. He had nothing else. He didn't even have a good career. He had one all-star season and then he was figured out.

Bullet Bob and Homer Jones aren't even in the same league talent wise. It just shows how football stupid the HoF voters truly are.

 

[adbutcher]

I really hate the Peter King types of the world. Not only is this jack *** wrong but you could tell he went to great lengths trying to justify his ineptness. How come this is the first time he mentioned this? What a loser.

 

[AdamJT13]

"No one has ever been able to tell me why Bob Hayes changed the game," said King, "and Homer Jones didn't."

Anybody with half a brain should be able to figure it out.

Jones entered the NFL one year before Hayes. He caught a whopping four passes that year (1964) and scored no touchdowns.

The next year, as a rookie in 1965, Bob Hayes had 46 catches for 1,003 yards and scored 13 touchdowns in 13 games. He made the Pro Bowl. That same year, Jones caught 26 passes for 709 yards and scored six touchdowns. He did not make the Pro Bowl.

In 1966, Hayes caught 64 passes for 1,232 yards and scored 13 touchdowns. He again made the Pro Bowl. Jones caught 48 for 1,044 and eight touchdowns. He did not make the Pro Bowl.

By then, defensive coordinators had realized that they couldn't play man-to-man on Hayes and started resorting to zone defenses. Hayes' numbers were far superior to Jones' numbers when NFL defenses changed, so it shouldn't be difficult to figure out that Hayes changed the game far more than Jones -- if Jones had any effect at all.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

can we get rid of the filter, for just this thread?


**** King

 

[Hostile]

Tell us how you really feel Hos. Don't hold back now......give it to us straight :laugh1:

How I really feel is I would like that no guts sack of crap to accept my challenge to meet in the Octagon with proceeds going to charity. I would like to draw some blood to satisfy my absolute disgust at him for being a loathsome piece of garbage.

 

[DallasEast]

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[Bob Sacamano]

Long Live DallasEast's photoshop machine!

 

[Yeagermeister]

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If I can find a crackhead seeking some easy cash, this is a done deal...​

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You'd be paying way to much.