DMN Blog: Brian Gaine update... has not joined the Fins..yet

[Alexander]

and according to you he OBVIOUSLY doesn't want to be here....

you're the end all be all of knowledge, right?

Once again, your illogical nature is astounding.

Parcells brought Gaine here.

He was under contract.

Yet, he was supposedly going to Miami.

Yes.

You are so right.

He could so want to be here.

 

[iceberg]

Once again, your illogical nature is astounding.

Parcells brought Gaine here.

He was under contract.

Yet, he was supposedly going to Miami.

Yes.

You are so right.

He could so want to be here.

but you're only using what you read in the papers to guide this analogy, alexander. i didn't say he WOULD NOT want to go to miami and be with parcells. he may very well *WANT* to do that.

but you use that and that alone (as far as i know) to say he OBVIOUSLY doesn't WANT TO BE HERE.

such lack of logic does the same to me in return, alex.

 

[windward]

Once again, your illogical nature is astounding.

Parcells brought Gaine here.

He was under contract.

Yet, he was supposedly going to Miami.

Yes.

You are so right.

He could so want to be here.

Unless you are Brian Gaineor somehow close to him, then how could you possibly know that he does not want to be here under any circumstances?

 

[lspain1]

So why did the league allow Ireland to leave when Parcells is obviously still the one with the final say?

One point in this situation is that Parcells is not in it for the long haul. He will leave after a while and then Ireland runs the whole show. I just don't think Ireland could be denied in this case.

 

[iceberg]

Unless you are Brian Gaineor somehow close to him, then how could you possibly know that he does not want to be here under any circumstances?

well if my logic sucks i've got good company now. : )

all i'm saying. just because he'd like to work with parcells doesn't instantly make the extreme opposite true - that he OBVIOUSLY doesn't want to be here.

it's possible there is more than ONE good job in the nfl people are happy to have.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

hey the guy ask mr Jones to leave and was given permission.......if he does not want to be with the greatest.....show him the door

 

[windward]

well if my logic sucks i've got good company now. : )

all i'm saying. just because he'd like to work with parcells doesn't instantly make the extreme opposite true - that he OBVIOUSLY doesn't want to be here.

it's possible there is more than ONE good job in the nfl people are happy to have.

It's amazing how people's hatred of Jerry influences how they think.

 

[iceberg]

It's amazing how people's hatred of Jerry influences how they think.

well, more amazing people post/think so "black/white" vs. all the gray in the middle.

well if he wants to be there he doesn't want to be here!

but yea, tunnel-vision-agenda's suck.

 

[Rockytop6]

well, that should end the "front office raid" (of which we've lost 1 front office person so far, so the "raid" talK is a bit directed at drama) people have been worried about. damn, now the chicken littles will have to find something else to get all upset about.

shouldn't be hard.

The storm isn't over yet. Signed Chicken Little. I didn't know Chicken Little was so versatile and gifted. He sure gets credited with a lot of thoughts and ideas.

 

[Echo9]

if he's here, he does the best he can here. i think we're letting "fanspeak" override the professional we're talking about.

Yeah that's a part of it, and he is a professional. I don't think he'll mope around and intentionally tank his job just because he'd rather be somewhere else.

But it seems pretty clear that if he had a choice he'd be in Miami right now. JJ knows this and I'm guessing that Jones will let him go over there at some point after the draft. If that guess is wrong and Gaines is here for the "long term" (however long that may be, but minimally a year or so more) then my point is completely moot.

However, if he knows that he's going to Miami in a few months, I think it would be hard for him to work to the best of his ability in the interim.

It could practically be considered a conflict of interest. He'll not only NOT see the fruits of his labor here, he'll be improving a team he will be against in a short period of time.

If this were the Commanders instead of the Dolphins, we'd probably all be freaking out about sabotage.

I'm not saying he'll whine or intentional screw us, but the conflict is there.

Does he go all out for us right now? Or try to help himself in the long term by holding back and helping out his soon to be employer?

 

[Alexander]

Unless you are Brian Gaineor somehow close to him, then how could you possibly know that he does not want to be here under any circumstances?

It is called simple deductive reasoning.

Some of you might consider looking into it.

He was under contract.

But he somehow wants to stay?

Unless Clarence Hill was reporting nonsense, I don't get it.

Please explain this to me.

 

[Bach]

I have a feeling the league is not really liking what it going on in Miami. Parcells quits in Dallas and the next year takes a pretty much made up job title in Miami that ensures he can raid his former team or any other team because everyone will be getting a promotion in Miami. No other team has a person with the position and job description Parcells has taken in Miami. I applaud the league for this move.

That's so true. Everyone knows BP is making all the decisions, but the non-GM title allows him to get away with it.

Not long ago BP blocked Sparano from going to New Orleans with Payton, but now he wants to try and take guys from us for lateral moves. Gaines to Miami would've been a lateral move. Now he can get Sparano if he wants as HC, but he can't take a guy from here and give him the same job there.

 

[iceberg]

It is called simple deductive reasoning.

Some of you might consider looking into it.

He was under contract.

But he somehow wants to stay?

Unless Clarence Hill was reporting nonsense, I don't get it.

Please explain this to me.

unless you have a personal connection to the man, you have NO CLUE as to what you're saying about him. if your 1+1=2 world isn't adding up here, maybe you should quit adding things up that don't go together.

i call that jumping to conclusions w/o more than surface evidence.

does he want to go? sure seems like it.
does he hate it here? totally unanswered, yet you "assume" these things.

then get "all that" when called on it.

 

[dallasfan]

It is called simple deductive reasoning.

Some of you might consider looking into it.

He was under contract.

But he somehow wants to stay?

Unless Clarence Hill was reporting nonsense, I don't get it.

Please explain this to me.

the problem is you're taking this case to the extreme. Yes he was under contract, yes this is a lateral move and yes he'd rather be in Miami, but that doesn't mean he doesn't want to be here. Maybe he just believes that he has a better chance of advancing his career in Miami or they're offering more money. It's possible to want two different/opposite things, you're just going to want one more than the other

 

[Hostile]

Gives us more time to replace him.

Question for Adam if he sees this. Do scouting department contracts like Graine's usually end in the Spring to protect the clubs?

 

[Kangaroo]

If the guy don't want to be here, what's the difference. Ever watch a guy who's ready to move on at work? As soon as some one hands me a two week notice I tell them they get one weeks pay to stay home.

Better than getting ripped for two.

Not all of us are like that please I given 2 weeks notice and still out worked my co workers as I did every day.

Heck I got a month notice of being layed off and I still showed up and did just as much work as the people keeping their job.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

One point in this situation is that Parcells is not in it for the long haul. He will leave after a while and then Ireland runs the whole show. I just don't think Ireland could be denied in this case.

but it's not like Ireland isn't going to have alot of say, even w/ Parcells there, he is, I doubt Ireland wants to go to Miami now to get his ideas stolen, or thrown back in his face, by Parcells

when Parcells was here, he talked about a committee approach that he and his staff held, I know it's impossible for some people on here to fathom that that was the case, but it's how it is or Ireland wouldn't be so willing to follow him to Miami

sorry, that's not what you're really talking about, just tired of everyone acting like Parcells is going to be the real GM, and Ireland is going to be content just being his toadie

 

[Dave_in-NC]

but it's not like Ireland isn't going to have alot of say, even w/ Parcells there, he is, I doubt Ireland wants to go to Miami now to get his ideas stolen, or thrown back in his face, by Parcells

when Parcells was here, he talked about a committee approach that he and his staff held, I know it's impossible for some people on here to fathom that that was the case, but it's how it is or Ireland wouldn't be so willing to follow him to Miami

sorry, that's not what you're really talking about, just tired of everyone acting like Parcells is going to be the real GM, and Ireland is going to be content just being his toadie

Good post.

 

[speedkilz88]

but it's not like Ireland isn't going to have alot of say, even w/ Parcells there, he is, I doubt Ireland wants to go to Miami now to get his ideas stolen, or thrown back in his face, by Parcells

when Parcells was here, he talked about a committee approach that he and his staff held, I know it's impossible for some people on here to fathom that that was the case, but it's how it is or Ireland wouldn't be so willing to follow him to Miami

sorry, that's not what you're really talking about, just tired of everyone acting like Parcells is going to be the real GM, and Ireland is going to be content just being his toadie

The point is that Ireland was only suppose to be able to leave if he had final say. I don't think anyone actually believes he has final say over Parcells until he leaves in a few years. So the league office should have stepped in on that. Parcells came up with a false title to get around this rule. The nfl has finally stopped this in the coaching ranks, but have turned their eye in this situation.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

The point is that Ireland was only suppose to be able to leave if he had final say. I don't think anyone actually believes he has final say over Parcells until he leaves in a few years. So the league office should have stepped in on that. Parcells came up with a false title to get around this rule. The nfl has finally stopped this in the coaching ranks, but have turned their eye in this situation.

Stepped in and said what? Does any one have proof that Ireland won't have final say?

Here's my take on how that would go down

Ring, Ring..... Parcells picks up uhhhh yooo.
Goodell. Bill?

Bp. uhhhhh yeah

Commish Goodell here

BP. uhhhh yeah

CG. I don't think Ireland will have final say

BP. uhhhh ok

CG. will he?

BP. uhhhh let me ask him.

You see where this is going?