DMN Blog | Cowboys confident they can still throw deep

[Bluefin]

They must be too young to remember Kevin Williams. He was a major disappointment at WR. Harper had good speed but wasn't anymore a threat than Austin.

Miles Austin is already a better route runner than Alvin Harper and he's only going to keep getting better.

Harper just had an amazing ability to make big plays whether he was open or covered. When it comes to the jump ball, the only other receiver I put with Harper is Randy Moss.

And that's what we want from Austin, big bang for the buck.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Harper and Kevin Williams were able to get deep, very well too.

When did Kevin Williams ever "get deep?"

In fact, aside from a three game stretch at the end of the 1995 season, when was Kevin Williams ever starting-caliber?

 

[ScipioCowboy]

K-Dub was a terrible wide receiver.

His best season came in '95 where he was on pace for slightly over 400 yards until the finale against Arizona (used in Jerry McGuire) where he dropped 200 on the Cardinals due to them triple covering Michael Irvin.

Williams never had more than 2 touchdown receptions in a season, had only one season with double digit 20+ yard receptions, 3 career catches of 40+ yards and a career average of only 13 yards per catch.

He wasn't a consistent route runner and never gained Troy Aikman's trust.

Punt returner?

Yeah, I could live with that.

Receiver?

Please, no.

If there was ever a team that lacked any kind of depth at receiver, it was the 1995 Dallas Cowboys.

There weren't even two viable starters on the roster. The third receiver was Cory Fleming, who never saw the field again after his penchant for dropping passes killed several drives in the famous "4th and inches" game.

Despite popular belief, Deion Sanders was integrated into the offense out of necessity, not his innate showmanship; he became the third receiver during the 95 playoffs.

 

[Bluefin]

The third receiver was Cory Fleming, who never saw the field again after he dropped a myriad of passes in the famous "4th and inches" game.

Bugger.

I haven't thought of Cory Fleming in a long time.

He went on to have a pretty good career in the AFL back in Tennessee.

Michael Irvin showed what a lead receiver was in '95.

111 receptions, 1603 yards and 10 touchdowns.

11 100 yard games, 2 games over 90 and 1 game over 80.

 

[dbair1967]

Irvin was not a deep threat. Roy Williams is faster than he was.

Irvin caught alot of deep balls, I dont know why so many forget it, or choose not to remember.

Fast helps, but great route running is just as, if not more important.

 

[TD-33]

K-Dub was a terrible wide receiver.

His best season came in '95 where he was on pace for slightly over 400 yards until the finale against Arizona (used in Jerry McGuire) where he dropped 200 on the Cardinals due to them triple covering Michael Irvin.

Williams never had more than 2 touchdown receptions in a season, had only one season with double digit 20+ yard receptions, 3 career catches of 40+ yards and a career average of only 13 yards per catch.

He wasn't a consistent route runner and never gained Troy Aikman's trust.

Punt returner?

Yeah, I could live with that.

Receiver?

Please, no.

Weren't we talking about speed? All I said was that he was quick. Not that he was Randy Moss.

 

[CATCH17]

We'll have to see....Right now, we really haven't had the opportunity to go deep. Although.......

In the Raider game, Austin had beaten #21 badly on a streak. As a matter of fact, he was interfered with. That same game, we saw Hurd get open deep a couple of times.

Against the Titans, Roy had beaten Finnegan down the field (it would've been about a 30 yard TD), but Romo missed. Austin was also WIDE OPEN and missed badly by Kitna.

We've had WRs get open deep. I think it'll come.

Roy said on the opening drive of the Raider game that he was open for a 95 yard TD and Romo just missed him.


We'll have a lot of big plays downfield this year guys. I wouldn't even worry about it.

 

[TD-33]

They must be too young to remember Kevin Williams. He was a major disappointment at WR. Harper had good speed but wasn't anymore a threat than Austin.

If I'm too young to remember KW, how old are you?

 

[Vinnie2u]

Preseason?Preseason?Preseason? Were talkin about Preseason? Allen Iverson...

 

[The Great Number 8]

Irvin caught alot of deep balls, I dont know why so many forget it, or choose not to remember.

Fast helps, but great route running is just as, if not more important.

No kidding. He beat Deion deep in the NFC title game, we just didn't get the pass interference call.

They'll be fine. Every now and then they'll have to throw one up to Roy who may look covered, but they need to try to use his athleticism to take the ball away from the corner.

 

[Doomsday101]

We don't need anybody to streak fear in a defense, let the D sleep on us all they want. Our O just needs to continue to move the chains and score points. Austin can get deep and so can RW11. Defenses fearing us isn't important, our O consistently moving the ball is. Our O will be dominating at times this year because they execute.

I agree and I also am not concerned about being able to get deep RW does have speed and so does Austin. This is not track and field and while these may not be 4.2 guys they have ample speed to run the deep routs. Hell Irvin was a 4.55 and was able to get deep and make big plays it is not just about foot speed in the game of football running good routs to turn a defender is enough for guys with decent speed to gain the separation to beat a man deep.

 

[adbutcher]

if only we had Randall Williams, Ed Hervey or Alex Wright

 

[adbutcher]

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[Ken]

Did somebody say ALEX WRIGHT?

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LOL!!!!

 

[skinsscalper]

Tony throwing 190+ yards in a half will certainly be the downfall of this offense.
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.......in a preseason game that we weren't game planned for. Hell we can bypass the whole "September's Champs" moniker and head straight to "August's Champions".

Why should we worry about throwing deep? If we dink and dunk all the way down the field and score, that takes time off the clock. I do, however, think we do have the potential for the deep ball. We haven't seen the whole play book yet. This team will be explosive offensively and defensively! Mark it.

I remember a drive that we dinked and dunked all the way down the field, ate time off the clock, ran 12+ plays and blew the whole thing with a false start penalty. The result? 0 points. That's not a game plan you can count on week in and week out on a regular basis when teams actually scheme against you.

I disagree. The offense needs to show they can get deep. This pushes the safeties back and opens up the running game. Austin, Williams, Hurd, Jones need to get the defenses attention.

Thus the need for a legit deep threat. If anyone thinks we can continue to dink and dunk all the way down the filed for 16 weeks their kidding themselves. The running game will suffer, big time, if there's no downfield threat to back the safeties off. Teams learn to sit on those intermediate routes and blitz the **** out of your QB and running game. Considering the struggles with our O-line the past couple of seasons, the dink and dunk game is a recipe for disaster.

I disagree.

Defenses will pack it down if we cannot show that we can get deep at will. This will hamper our running game and make it more difficult to operate in general.

I could be wrong, we just need to show we can do it. I know RW used to be able to get deep, I just haven't seen it in a couple of years. Austin has to show he can get deep consistently.

I hope we are both wrong, Ken. But, I agree with this post 100%.

Irvin caught alot of deep balls, I dont know why so many forget it, or choose not to remember.

Fast helps, but great route running is just as, if not more important.

So is the ability to push off on a consistent basis. Not sure if you're aware or not, but there isn't a single Michael Irvin on this team. Not from a leadership standpoint, or a production standpoint.