DMN Blog: Ellis: Roy doesn't think defense fits him

[theogt]

Player A: 2 INT's, 0 FF, 1 Fumble Recovery, 0 Sacks

Player B: 3 INT's, 0 FF, 0 Fumble Recovery, 1 Sack.

Player A is our Roy Williams, paid All Pro money to make game changing plays.

Player B is Chris Crocker ... the Dolphins just got him off the NFL Free Agent bargain bin a week before the draft for 1 year, $1.5 million contract after the Falcons released him. (And unlike Roy, Crocker is actually a pretty nice coverage safety who covers a pretty good amount of ground). Who's getting more bang for the buck?

It doesn't bother you that Roy Williams isn't playing noticablly better than a guy who was just released from the 4-12 Falcons?

You can put a lot of weight into tackles .. I think they're pretty much a garbage stat completely subjective. Players can get a tackle credit for just standing near a pile. Besides, I don't consider a "tackle" a positive play when all it means is you managed to trip up a guy after he just scorched you for a 20 yard pass.

Player A: 5 INTs, 57 Tackles, 21 PDs
Player B: 4 INTs, 50 Tackles, 14 PDs

One player was the 5th overall pick in the draft and the other went completely undrafted.

Player A is Roderick Hood and Player B is Terence Newman. Who would you rather have?

Looking at those statistics alone for judging secondary is just ignorant.

I'm not defending Roy here, but if you're going to criticize a player, at least don't be stupid about it.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Looking at those statistics alone for judging secondary is just ignorant.

That's funny, because you and Adam have been using them to defend Roy for the last two or three offeseasons. Now they don't matter?

Terrence Newman is paid to blanket guys ... his job description isn't reflected in those stats.

Roy Williams can't cover, so he's paid to make make game changing plays... ala Forced Fumbles, INT's, Fumble Recoveries, Sacks. If he's not making those plays, he brings nothing to table (other than a mismatch headache for our coaching staff).

 

[InmanRoshi]

Why does sacks matter at the safety position? Who has my tackles PD thats such a vacuumed assessment of two players it is ridiculous and ludicrous to even consider that as valid.

When you're playing Linebacker in nickel packages, you should have a few sacks. Especially playing under a defense coach that loves to sends exotic blitz packages in nickel situations like Wade Phillips.

Unfortunately, Roy more often than not gets stonewalled by 190 lbs. running backs in blitz protection.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Terrence Newman is paid to blanket guys ... his job isn't reflected in those stats.

Roy Williams can't cover, so he's paid to make make game changing plays... ala Forced Fumbles, INT's, Fumble Recoveries, Sacks. If he's not making those plays, he brings nothing to table (other than a mismatch headache for our coaching staff).

i think his play is more solid and consistent than when he was making those "game changing plays" our overall team wasn't that good. For each of those "game changing plays" he gave up a "game changing play"

 

[DaBoys4Life]

When you're playing Linebacker in nickel packages, you should have a few sacks. Especially playing under a defense coach that loves to sends exotic blitz packages in nickel situations like Wade Phillips.

Unfortunately, Roy more often than not gets stonewalled by 190 lbs. running backs in blitz protection.

Provide stats of how many times roy williams blitzed this year.

 

[Cowboyz88]

i think his play is more solid and consistent than when he was making those "game changing plays" our overall team wasn't that good. For each of those "game changing plays" he gave up a "game changing play"

So erase his game changing plays and you're left with him giving up game changing plays.

2 garbage time INTs do not equate to game changing plays, so you're basically left with tackles.

 

[theogt]

That's funny, because you and Adam have been using them to defend Roy for the last two or three offeseasons. Now they don't matter?

Terrence Newman is paid to blanket guys ... his job description isn't reflected in those stats.

Roy Williams can't cover, so he's paid to make make game changing plays... ala Forced Fumbles, INT's, Fumble Recoveries, Sacks. If he's not making those plays, he brings nothing to table (other than a mismatch headache for our coaching staff).

Actually, you're completely mistaken. I've never used those stats alone to defend Roy. And I seriously doubt Adam would do something so stupid either.

You have to look at the actual coverage metrics to judge someone's coverage ability. INTs and PDs are only (the least important) part of someone's overall coverage metrics.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

So erase his game changing plays and you're left with him giving up game changing plays.

2 garbage time INTs do not equate to game changing plays, so you're basically left with tackles.

what game changing plays did he give up ?

 

[tomson75]

what game changing plays did he give up ?

Were you banned at one point?

Just curious.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Were you banned at one point?

Just curious.

:laugh2:

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Were you banned at one point?

Just curious.

nope never why?

 

[lockster]

Somebody needs to tell RW to stop sulking and get with the program.

I don't think we have a capable replacement for RW this year anyway. One option would be to move Hamlin to SS and let C Brown/Watkins, etc. compete for FS, but that's not ideal either.

Hopefully RW gets it together in the next couple of months.

Anyone of our secondary players can replace Williams!! I don't care which one either right now if it means we get Roy off the field.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

honestly we could get a spoon and have it play SS and people will say it is better than RW.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

When you're playing Linebacker in nickel packages, you should have a few sacks. Especially playing under a defense coach that loves to sends exotic blitz packages in nickel situations like Wade Phillips.

Unfortunately, Roy more often than not gets stonewalled by 190 lbs. running backs in blitz protection.

I don't remember Wade employing many exotic blitz packages

 

[Rampage]

honestly we could get a spoon and have it play SS and people will say it is better than RW.

for the money he makes and for the way we've seen him play early in his career he should play a lot better than how he plays now.

 

[tomson75]

honestly we could get a spoon and have it play SS and people will say it is better than RW.

Unfortunately, you're probably right on this one.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

for the money he makes and for the way we've seen him play early in his career he should play a lot better than how he plays now.

I agree, the past 2 years Jerry has been saying that they've been trying to put him in position to make plays, and he hasn't been making that much

he's not horrible by any stretch, he's just out there

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I don't remember Wade employing many exotic blitz packages

ZOMG r u seriouz Wp SEnt Rdubyah in a blitZz so00 much its not 3v3n funny oMGz roys like worsessst =/ =/

 

[burmafrd]

Roy no longer intimidates anyone. He no longer makes big plays. If that is not slipping then what is?

 

[Cowboyz88]

honestly we could get a spoon and have it play SS and people will say it is better than RW.

Chances are that a WR could trip over the spoon, thereby giving the spoon a tackle equaling the one tackle that Roy made in our playoff game.