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Here's a quick look at the position battles that will get the most attention during training camp and the preseason:

Mike Jenkins vs. Orlando Scandrick: The front office and coaching staff are high on both second-year cornerbacks, who split time opposite Terence Newman during off-season workouts. Jerry Jones said the '08 first- and fifth-round picks could play "equally," indicating they might rotate in the base defense. The best-case scenario is that Scandrick pushes Jenkins, who arrived in the league with a questionable work ethic, to fulfill his potential. Both will be significant parts of all the sub packages.

Patrick Crayton vs. Miles Austin: Crayton had a pretty good year as the No. 2 receiver in 2007, convincing the Cowboys to give him a four-year, $14 million contract extension. The Cowboys have yet to make a long-term commitment to Austin, but they're enamored with his big-play potential. So enamored that Jerry mentioned that he thinks Austin could come close to matching T.O.'s production. But Crayton got all the reps as the No. 2 WR during OTAs, even before Austin strained his hamstring and was sidelined for the rest of the off-season workouts. The Cowboys know what they'll get from Crayton. Austin has a higher ceiling, but he has to stay healthy to have a chance to crack the starting lineup.

Bobby Carpenter vs. Jason Williams: Carpenter finally has a chance to contribute to Wade Phillips' defense. The nickel/dime LB role is his job to lose at this point. Williams, the third-round pick with freakish athleticism, has miles to go mentally to make the decision difficult for the coaches. It will be Williams' job at some point. The question is whether he can claim it as a rookie. Veteran Keith Brooking and rookie Stephen Hodge are also in the running.

Kyle Kosier vs. Montrae Holland: If Kosier is completely healthy at the beginning of training camp, this probably won't be much of a competition. However, if he struggles upon returning from foot surgery, Holland should be ready to challenge for the left guard spot. Holland had a hard time learning the offense on the fly after his post-training camp trade to the Cowboys last season. He should be comfortable in the scheme after a full off-season, when he worked with the starting offense.

Victor Butler vs. Brandon Williams: With Greg Ellis gone, the Cowboys need one of their fourth-round picks to be ready to contribute in pass-rushing situations (maybe 10-15 snaps per game to give Anthony Spencer some rest). They're both coming off of double-digit sack seasons in BCS conferences. Williams impressed the coaches with his explosive first step during OTAs, while Butler couldn't participate because his Oregon State class hadn't graduated. But Butler made a strong impression by displaying a firm grasp of the defensive schemes, proving that he'd studied hard during his time away from Texas.
 

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I think Scandrick's versatility may ultimately cost him the 'starting' role.

I think Austin will have a lot of catching up to do to beat out Crayton for the #2 role.

If Carpenter can't win this job, ugh!

I think Holland fits the power running game better, but I see Kosier keeping his job if healthy. An his smarts and savvy seem to have a positive impact on the mistake prone Adams and Gurode.

Either rookie is fine with me, as long as they're not a huge liability in coverage.

I'd love to read about some competition for some complacent offensive linemen, but the team has no valid options.
 

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It would be a pleasant suprise to finally see Carpenter see the field and make a few plays. He was a 1st round pick that I thought had quite a bit of talent coming out of Ohio State. He showed flashes during the playoff loss against the Seahawks a few years ago and I thought the lights finally went on for the kid.

He was really pushed around last year in pre-season and he needs to get much better at taking on blockers if he is going to play one of the two inside "Backer" positions. I know he is going to be primarily a cover LBer but he still mioght need to shed blockers depending on the play.

This is without a doubt his last year with the team if he can't get playing time.

Here's hoping he finally starts to play like the pick he was.......
 

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WoodysGirl;2819582 said:
Bobby Carpenter vs. Jason Williams: Carpenter finally has a chance to contribute to Wade Phillips' defense. The nickel/dime LB role is his job to lose at this point. Williams, the third-round pick with freakish athleticism, has miles to go mentally to make the decision difficult for the coaches. It will be Williams' job at some point. The question is whether he can claim it as a rookie. Veteran Keith Brooking and rookie Stephen Hodge are also in the running.

This may be the rookie defender that makes the biggest impact right away, especially on special teams.
 

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WoodysGirl;2819582 said:
Victor Butler vs. Brandon Williams: With Greg Ellis gone, the Cowboys need one of their fourth-round picks to be ready to contribute in pass-rushing situations (maybe 10-15 snaps per game to give Anthony Spencer some rest). They're both coming off of double-digit sack seasons in BCS conferences. Williams impressed the coaches with his explosive first step during OTAs, while Butler couldn't participate because his Oregon State class hadn't graduated. But Butler made a strong impression by displaying a firm grasp of the defensive schemes, proving that he'd studied hard during his time away from Texas.

They aren't even playing the same position. so I fail to see how they are competing against each other. One is strongside (Butler), the other is weakside (Williams). That means Butler occupies the spot Spencer held last year and all Williams has to do is show he's better than Justin Rogers. I don't see any way we let either go.
 

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Alexander;2819638 said:
They aren't even playing the same position. so I fail to see how they are competing against each other. One is strongside (Butler), the other is weakside (Williams). That means Butler occupies the spot Spencer held last year and all Williams has to do is show he's better than Justin Rogers. I don't see any way we let either go.

I think you got the positions backwards, but I agree that they play different positions and both stay for sure.

Only question is when we run the "Cowboy" with three OLBs, which one plays? I say Williams, but we'll have to see.

How long till camp again?
 

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if Scandrick beats Jenkins for the starting CB spot, he's probably going to slide back inside to cover the slot anyway. This is going to be a julius jones, MB situation. Once it becomes time for a new contract I see them keeping Scandrick and letting Jenkins walk
 

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stasheroo;2819616 said:
I think Scandrick's versatility may ultimately cost him the 'starting' role.

I think Austin will have a lot of catching up to do to beat out Crayton for the #2 role.

If Carpenter can't win this job, ugh!

I think Holland fits the power running game better, but I see Kosier keeping his job if healthy. An his smarts and savvy seem to have a positive impact on the mistake prone Adams and Gurode.

Either rookie is fine with me, as long as they're not a huge liability in coverage.

I'd love to read about some competition for some complacent offensive linemen, but the team has no valid options.

I know 99% on here hate Carpenter, and would rather have him cut. IF he wins this job. The thing is, will he show enough to resign. He will need to be outstanding to do that. So it depends also if one of the rookies show enough to take over the following year. If Carpenter is a good solid player may not be enough to warrant another contract.

I for one hope he steps up and becomes the player we all hoped he would be. I still believe they stunted his development somewhat switching him around. But he as all players need to show their worth keeping also.
 

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arync;2819644 said:
if Scandrick beats Jenkins for the starting CB spot, he's probably going to slide back inside to cover the slot anyway. This is going to be a julius jones, MB situation. Once it becomes time for a new contract I see them keeping Scandrick and letting Jenkins walk

By that time Newman will be getting towards the end of his career, I would not send Jenkins packing any time soon.
 

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Holland isn't smart enough to learn the offense in under 3 months... but he's going to be the guy helping Gurode with the line calls...yeah, right.
 

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Doomsday101;2819648 said:
By that time Newman will be getting towards the end of his career, I would not send Jenkins packing any time soon.

I agree. Jenkins and Scandrick both should be with the team for a long time.
 

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WoodysGirl;2819582 said:
Bobby Carpenter vs. Jason Williams: Carpenter finally has a chance to contribute to Wade Phillips' defense. The nickel/dime LB role is his job to lose at this point.
Nickel/dime LB role? That's sad.
 

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NorthTexan95;2819658 said:
I agree. Jenkins and Scandrick both should be with the team for a long time.

I hope so, early results from them looked good for rookies. We should see more out of them this year with a year of experiance under their belts.
 

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I think the Cory Proctor Vs. Carpenter battle for Least Valuable Benchwarmer will be a hell of a battle.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2819642 said:
I think you got the positions backwards, but I agree that they play different positions and both stay for sure.

Only question is when we run the "Cowboy" with three OLBs, which one plays? I say Williams, but we'll have to see.

How long till camp again?

You might be right. I could have sworn I saw something about Butler being the strongside backup, but I have seen footage of him rushing from both sides.
 

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I know how Carpenter is...I know what people think of him, your's truly included. But, my dream would be for him to finally "get it".

Most linebackers don't come into the nfl and "get it". In fact much like WR's it takes a few years. We have one on our team now...Bradie James.

Burnett...while decent, but not a starter, never "got it". He was a stud at Tenn.

You also can't tell me that his running mate at Ohio St., (the ugly dude w/GB) has been that great either.....solid, but not great. Everybody thought he was going to be the next Butkus.

It just takes time for some.....let's hope Carp finally get's it. It would be like getting another draft pick...if he finally does!
 

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I think Carpenter was expected to be an every down LB when drafted but it just doesn't look like he will be that in the 3-4. I don't think its a matter of getting it but rather him just not being physical enough for those early downs.

It seems like Carpenter's best chance is purely as a coverage guy and I don't think he can ever justify his draft status there. Some folks will never forgive him for that.

Burnett I think was never going to be physical enough or durable enough to play ILB in the 3-4. He was good as a coverage guy and didn't catch the grief Carp did because he was picked in the 2nd round instead of the 1st.

I think the likely best hope for Carp is that he becomes an adequate replacement for Burnett.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2819642 said:
I think you got the positions backwards, but I agree that they play different positions and both stay for sure.

Only question is when we run the "Cowboy" with three OLBs, which one plays? I say Williams, but we'll have to see.

How long till camp again?


I say "Williams" too, and it very well could be JASON Williams. Jason was a pretty good pass rusher in his own right too. Plus having Jason in the Cowboy Package would not tip off other teams, IF he can win the nickel LB position.
 

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BAT;2819786 said:
I say "Williams" too, and it very well could be JASON Williams. Jason was a pretty good pass rusher in his own right too. Plus having Jason in the Cowboy Package would not tip off other teams, IF he can win the nickel LB position.

I'd like to see them experiment with Williams in that 46 look where they rush Bradie James often out of. I don't think that is exactly the same as the "Cowboy".

I am pleased to see James is rushing the passer better, but Williams is even faster and the knack he had in college for stripping the football might be very handy.
 

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CoCo;2819764 said:
I think Carpenter was expected to be an every down LB when drafted but it just doesn't look like he will be that in the 3-4. I don't think its a matter of getting it but rather him just not being physical enough for those early downs.

It seems like Carpenter's best chance is purely as a coverage guy and I don't think he can ever justify his draft status there. Some folks will never forgive him for that.

Burnett I think was never going to be physical enough or durable enough to play ILB in the 3-4. He was good as a coverage guy and didn't catch the grief Carp did because he was picked in the 2nd round instead of the 1st.

I think the likely best hope for Carp is that he becomes an adequate replacement for Burnett.

I think Carpenter and the Cowboys would have been better-served if he were a weakside linebacker in a 4-3 defense.

He reminds me of a Chad Greenway-type linebacker who's much better chasing down a play or covering rather than taking on blockers and fighting through trash to get to the ballcarrier.

Given his rep for not being physical enough, I'm still surprised that they ever moved him inside.
 
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