DMN Blog: Igor Olshansky's a cut below Pro Bowlers?

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That's what the Sporting News Real Scouts crew thinks. They rank new Cowboy Igor Olshansky as the No. 11 defensive end in the league, which would make his four-year, $18 million contract a bargain.
11. Igor Olshansky, Cowboys. His move to Dallas reunites him with Wade Phillips, the defensive coordinator during Olshansky's first three years with the Chargers. He knows the 3-4 well, has great strength and has learned to use his hands well and play with leverage.​
You won't find Chris Canty on the list, presumably because he'll primarily play defensive tackle for the Giants after going to New York for $42 million over six years.


Here's where Cowboys landed on other positions Real Scouts has already ranked (top 20 players at each position):

Offensive tackles: "12. Flozell Adams, Cowboys. Adams is aging but still has tremendous size and strength. Though the Cowboys struggled in pass protection last year, there's reason to believe a healthy Tony Romo and improved balance on offense will spark a return to form for Flozell the Hotel."

Guards: "10. Leonard Davis, Cowboys. Like most of the Dallas lineman, Davis is huge (6-6, 355). He's a mauler as a run blocker who physically overpowers his opponents. He's fairly athletic and can do some good things as a move blocker, and he makes excellent use of his hands in pass protection."

Centers: "9. Andre Gurode, Cowboys. He made the Pro Bowl last year, but it was based more on reputation than production, like the Titans' Kevin Mawae. Gurode is a physical run blocker, not a finesse player. He'll need to be more productive in '09 than he was in '08 to get the Cowboys back to the playoffs. The measure of that will be the success of their running game between the tackles."

Tight ends: "1. Jason Witten, Cowboys. Though his 81 receptions for 952 yards and four touchdowns in '08 were considered a bit of a down year, he still has 177 catches the past two seasons. He has missed just one game in six seasons and has a career 11.5 yards per catch average. The departure of Terrell Owens means Witten will be targeted even more in '09, and his blocking ability also will help the running game balance the offense."

Wide receivers: "12. Roy Williams, Cowboys. In addition to trying to learn a new offense in midseason, Williams played out of position at flanker and was hampered by a foot injury in '08. Back in good health and at split end, Owens' old spot, we expect better things for Williams. He won't duplicate Owens' production but should be better than he was last year."

Quarterbacks: "10. Tony Romo, Cowboys. The Cowboys' plan to run more in '09 speaks to the strength of their running backs and the relative inexperience and lack of depth at wide receiver. It also raises a flag with regard to the coaches' confidence in Romo after an up-and-down '08 campaign. He will be on a short leash as Dallas looks to limit turnovers and costly errors."

Running backs: Did not have Cowboy in top 20.
 
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9:37 AM Thu, May 21, 2009 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz


Wide receivers: "12. Roy Williams, Cowboys. In addition to trying to learn a new offense in midseason, Williams played out of position at flanker and was hampered by a foot injury in '08. Back in good health and at split end, Owens' old spot, we expect better things for Williams. He won't duplicate Owens' production but should be better than he was last year."
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I could think of 20 better Wr's off the top of my head.
 

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McCordsville Cowboy;2781943 said:
I could think of 20 better Wr's off the top of my head.
Really?........I would like to see that list.....20 just like that...boom........again I would like to see that list....:rolleyes:
 

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Yeagermeister;2781946 said:
None of our rb's are in their top 20? So much for this list. :laugh2:

It is a laughably bad ranking system they have. Remember, this is the same group that ranked a player (Beanie Wells) who hasn't played a down yet ahead of Barber and also had Darren McFadden as the 12th best back in football.

This ranking of Olshansky is bad because he's actually ahead of better ends in John Abraham and Trent Cole.
 

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McCordsville Cowboy;2781943 said:
I could think of 20 better Wr's off the top of my head.

Definitely: Fitz, R Moss, A Johnson, C Johnson, S Smith, Wayne, Marshall, Jennings, T.J. Houz, Bryant, Colston, Owens (for maybe one more year), Welker (apples to oranges though)

Maybe: R White, Boldin, S Moss, Edward, Ocho Stinko, Bowe, D Jackson.
 
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ndanger;2781950 said:
Really?........I would like to see that list.....20 just like that...boom........again I would like to see that list....:rolleyes:


Andre Johnson
Calvin Johnson
Fitz
Anquan
Plaxico
Randy Moss
TO
Roddy White
Steve Smith
Greg Jennings
Reggie Wayne
Lee Evans
Santonio Holmes
Brandon Marshall
Dwanye Bowe
Santana Moss
Ocho Cinco
Braylon
Colston
Amendola
 

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McCordsville Cowboy;2781943 said:
I could think of 20 better Wr's off the top of my head.
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McCordsville Cowboy;2781962 said:
Andre Johnson
Calvin Johnson
Fitz
Anquan
Plaxico
Randy Moss
TO
Roddy White
Steve Smith
Greg Jennings
Reggie Wayne
Lee Evans
Santonio Holmes
Brandon Marshall
Dwanye Bowe
Santana Moss
Ocho Cinco
Braylon
Colston
Amendola

You have Amendola way too low.
 

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It's funny how way back last year during the season, some of us were bringing up the idea of Igor as a reason we possibly weren't re-signing Canty and/or as a guy we could go after if we lost him. At the time, I remember most people saying that was a pipe dream because Igor was better and would get way money more than Canty. Then somewhere along the way, Canty became a superstar and Igor just an okay DE.

BTW, I thought it was interesting on the Lunchbreak yesterday that Mickey said he was surprised at Olshansky's quickness. Said Canty was bigger (height, I guess), but Igor looked quite a bit faster.

In fact, Mickey said the overall speed of our D was starting to remind him more of Jimmy's defenses.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2781991 said:
It's funny how way back last year during the season, some of us were bringing up the idea of Igor as a reason we possibly weren't re-signing Canty and/or as a guy we could go after if we lost him. At the time, I remember most people saying that was a pipe dream because Igor was better and would get way money more than Canty. Then somewhere along the way, Canty became a superstar and Igor just an okay DE.

BTW, I thought it was interesting on the Lunchbreak yesterday that Mickey said he was surprised at Olshansky's quickness. Said Canty was bigger (height, I guess), but Igor looked quite a bit faster.

In fact, Mickey said the overall speed of our D was starting to remind him more of Jimmy's defenses.
I love hearing this stuff about speed on defense. Olshansky is going to be big for us....think he really breaks out playing on the right side next to Ware. Id bet anything his numbers this season overshadow what Canty did last year. Plus be a better run plugger too. Mark my words, by midseason everyone will be talking about the steal we got in freeagency.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2781991 said:
In fact, Mickey said the overall speed of our D was starting to remind him more of Jimmy's defenses.

I hope you realize whose observations you were noting here.
 

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That list of so called 20 better WRs is a real joke. That last 6-8 at least are NOT as good as Roy.
 

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I think this defense has needed more speed. I wouldn't have thought of Olshanksy as the guy to bring it though...But hey, if he improves team speed, I'm for it.

I just think that Igor is not going to be a step down from Canty in any aspect. Maybe I'm wrong, but Canty was one of my least favorite guys on this defense. He never seemed to do much with his opportunities, and I thought he was overrated by everyone.
 

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As usual Mickey probably messed it up- he probably MEANT that Olshansky is a little QUICKER.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2781991 said:
It's funny how way back last year during the season, some of us were bringing up the idea of Igor as a reason we possibly weren't re-signing Canty and/or as a guy we could go after if we lost him. At the time, I remember most people saying that was a pipe dream because Igor was better and would get way money more than Canty. Then somewhere along the way, Canty became a superstar and Igor just an okay DE.

BTW, I thought it was interesting on the Lunchbreak yesterday that Mickey said he was surprised at Olshansky's quickness. Said Canty was bigger (height, I guess), but Igor looked quite a bit faster.

In fact, Mickey said the overall speed of our D was starting to remind him more of Jimmy's defenses.

In all fairness to those posters (because I'm one of them), Olshansky dropped from favor even in SD at the end of last season, where the team was intimating that he wasn't playing well b/c he was saving himself for free agency. I don't know enough of that situation to know if that were true or just positioning b/c they were expecting to lose the player, but there was at least a reason public perception changed on Olshansky during the year last year.

I, for one, would be thrilled if Igor ends up an upgrade, and I can easily see it happening. Canty was one of my favorites on the defense just because he played well and I think he conducted himself as a real professional while not getting a contract from Dallas the last two years while he waited patiently in line. I dubious that Olshansky's as good, but wouldn't be surprised to be proven wrong in this case. I like Igor, too, for the record.
 

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McCordsville Cowboy;2781962 said:
Andre Johnson
Calvin Johnson
Fitz
Anquan
Plaxico
Randy Moss
TO
Roddy White
Steve Smith
Greg Jennings
Reggie Wayne
Lee Evans
Santonio Holmes
Brandon Marshall
Dwanye Bowe
Santana Moss
Ocho Cinco
Braylon
Colston
Amendola

No, this is good.

This way I can mark this thread and revisit after the year and loudly proclaim:

"Look at this *******. His panties were so far in a wad because Roy did not come here and immediately dominate despite the fact he was learning a new system, was missing Romo, and had the Owens problem, that he felt it necessary to make stupid and asinine claims. Just remember how wrong he is when he starts on his next hobby horse."
 

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McCordsville Cowboy;2781962 said:
Andre Johnson
Calvin Johnson
Fitz
Anquan
Plaxico
Randy Moss
TO
Roddy White
Steve Smith
Greg Jennings
Reggie Wayne
Lee Evans
Santonio Holmes
Brandon Marshall
Dwanye Bowe
Santana Moss
Ocho Cinco
Braylon
Colston
Amendola

Dang I cant believe the pure hatred people have for RW here. Its insane sometimes, their ranking is about right on him, same with Witten.


Calvin Johnson - Yup
Fitz - Yup
Anquan - Yup
Plaxico - LOL NO
Randy Moss - Yup
TO - Yup
Roddy White - LOL NO
Steve Smith - Yup
Greg Jennings - LOL NO
Reggie Wayne - Yup
Lee Evans - LOL NO
Santonio Holmes - LOL NO
Brandon Marshall - LOL NO
Dwanye Bowe - LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL NO
Santana Moss - LOL NO
Ocho Cinco - Yup
Braylon - LOL NO
Colston - LOL NO
Amendola - LOL NO

When RW lights it up this year are you going to come out and say how wrong you were? - LOL NO

Your list - FAIL!
 
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