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[Cbz40]

Jerry needs to remember his words about WR

5:40 PM Fri, Jun 27, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
Tim MacMahon


Jerry Jones told the Valley Ranch media horde during draft weekend that the Cowboys weren't interested in adding a receiver unless that player could step in as a starter. The Cowboys didn't think there was a WR of that caliber in the draft.


Cross your fingers that Jerry doesn't convince himself that Joe Horn can be the answer.


It'd be silly to believe that Horn, a 36-year-old who was a nonfactor for the Falcons last season, would be an upgrade over Patrick Crayton. Don't be blinded by Crayton's poor performance in the playoff loss. He's a better player than Horn at this point in their careers.


Crayton caught 50 passes for 697 yards and seven TDs last season, his first as a starter. Those are better numbers than Horn has had in any of the last three seasons. Horn bottomed out with a 27-catch, 243-yard, 1-TD campaign last season. Only a fool would bet on a receiver that age rebounding.


As we've argued before on this here blog, the Cowboys don't need to upgrade the No. 2 WR. It'd be a luxury, and it makes sense to keep irons in the fire in case Detroit's Roy Williams, Cincinnati's Chad Johnson or Arizona's Anquan Boldin become available. But an over-the-hill guy like Horn wouldn't do much more than take reps away from the developing receivers on the roster.

 

[tomson75]

Amen.

 

[Nav22]

2 years ago, Horn had 37 catches for 679 yards and 4 TDs in just 10 games.

Prorated to a 16 game season, those numbers would have been 59 catches for 1086 yards and 6 TDs. Not too shabby.

If Glenn can't/won't return, I don't see why we shouldn't add Horn. He'd be an upgrade somewhere, either as a #2, #3, or #4 WR.

 

[Pottsville Maroons]

I think I just read a TimmyMac blog entry that didn't have the word "Romo" or "Simpson" in it. And actually referenced football statistics. Nothing earthshattering or anything, but Statistics!

 

[Coakleys Dad]

Jerry needs to remember his words about WR

5:40 PM Fri, Jun 27, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
Tim MacMahon


Jerry Jones told the Valley Ranch media horde during draft weekend that the Cowboys weren't interested in adding a receiver unless that player could step in as a starter. The Cowboys didn't think there was a WR of that caliber in the draft.


Cross your fingers that Jerry doesn't convince himself that Joe Horn can be the answer.


It'd be silly to believe that Horn, a 36-year-old who was a nonfactor for the Falcons last season, would be an upgrade over Patrick Crayton. Don't be blinded by Crayton's poor performance in the playoff loss. He's a better player than Horn at this point in their careers.


Crayton caught 50 passes for 697 yards and seven TDs last season, his first as a starter. Those are better numbers than Horn has had in any of the last three seasons. Horn bottomed out with a 27-catch, 243-yard, 1-TD campaign last season. Only a fool would bet on a receiver that age rebounding.


As we've argued before on this here blog, the Cowboys don't need to upgrade the No. 2 WR. It'd be a luxury, and it makes sense to keep irons in the fire in case Detroit's Roy Williams, Cincinnati's Chad Johnson or Arizona's Anquan Boldin become available. But an over-the-hill guy like Horn wouldn't do much more than take reps away from the developing receivers on the roster.

Nicely put.

 

[Brandon]

If we sign Joe Horn I'm going to attempt to throw eggs at Jerrys house.

 

[Hoofbite]

2 years ago, Horn had 37 catches for 679 yards and 4 TDs in just 10 games.

Prorated to a 16 game season, those numbers would have been 59 catches for 1086 yards and 6 TDs. Not too shabby.

If Glenn can't/won't return, I don't see why we shouldn't add Horn. He'd be an upgrade somewhere, either as a #2, #3, or #4 WR.

Upgrade or not its a horrible move. It forces the team to cut one of the younger guys just so they can carry an aging vet who hasn't produced on a consistent basis in three years. He also hasn't played an entire season since 2004.

Horn is done and would be a terrible pick up.

I'd rather have Matt Jones and I think that idea sucks.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Upgrade or not its a horrible move. It forces the team to cut one of the younger guys just so they can carry an aging vet who hasn't produced on a consistent basis in three years. He also hasn't played an entire season since 2004

Actually, I think it just gives Terry Glenn's roster spot to Horn, and it wouldn't effect their ability to keep young WRs.

In essence, the Cowboys would just be replacing one over the hill vet with with another over the hill vet with less potential but lower risk (ie better knees).

 

[Nav22]

It forces the team to cut one of the younger guys

If Glenn doesn't return and we essentially replace him with Horn...

And if we were to keep 6 WRs...

Those 6 would likely be Owens, Crayton, Horn, Hurd, Austin, and Stanback. And we could likely stick a 7th (Amendola?) on the practice squad.

So unless if you think Danny Amendola will be a better player in 2008 than Joe Horn (which is a major reach), or if you think another team will snatch up Amendola and sign him to their active roster (another reach), I don't see how the Horn addition could hurt us.

Like I said, if Glenn isn't back, Horn will be an upgrade somewhere. And seeing as how we have question marks at WR behind T.O., we could use an upgrade.

 

[Hoofbite]

If Glenn doesn't return and we essentially replace him with Horn...

And if we were to keep 6 WRs...

Those 6 would likely be Owens, Crayton, Horn, Hurd, Austin, and Stanback. And we could likely stick a 7th (Amendola?) on the practice squad.

So unless if you think Danny Amendola will be a better player in 2008 than Joe Horn (which is a major reach), or if you think another team will snatch up Amendola and sign him to their active roster (another reach), I don't see how the Horn addition could hurt us.

Like I said, if Glenn isn't back, Horn will be an upgrade somewhere. And seeing as how we have question marks at WR behind T.O., we could use an upgrade.

Its not that I think Amendola or even Mike Jefferson would be more productive than Horn, its that I would hate to give up on either of them for a old, washed up, frequently injured WR.

I just don't think he is worth the roster spot for what you would get out of him. No way hes in town more than a year. He doesn't have speed to be a deep threat so I just can't justify bringing the guy in to play a #4 WR spot.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I want to see more of Miles Austin and Stanback...

 

[Sarge]

If we sign Joe Horn I'm going to attempt to throw eggs at Jerrys house.

Gimme your number, we'll go together.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

No to Horn pls!

 

[jobberone]

I think some are failing to understand that injuries occur. Generally you don't go thru an entire season without losing your 1 and/or 2 WR at some point for some period of time.

Think about it. TO goes down. Are you comfortable with Crayton as your number one you pick a number two. If you don't have WRs that can get open consistently then Romo has no one to throw to. Guess where your game goes when this happens.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Actually, I think it just gives Terry Glenn's roster spot to Horn, and it wouldn't effect their ability to keep young WRs.

In essence, the Cowboys would just be replacing one over the hill vet with with another over the hill vet with less potential but lower risk (ie better knees).

it's year 3 of Hurd and Austin, time to start increasing their playing time a bit more to gauge their progress, plus I think they've earned it putting in 3 offseasons and 2 regular seasons w/ the team

time to see what they're made of

 

[JBond]

Upgrade or not its a horrible move. It forces the team to cut one of the younger guys just so they can carry an aging vet who hasn't produced on a consistent basis in three years. He also hasn't played an entire season since 2004.

Horn is done and would be a terrible pick up.

I'd rather have Matt Jones and I think that idea sucks.

I am with you. Why cut a young guy for an old guy? I'm not suprised that NAV22 thinks this is a good idea.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I am with you. Why cut a young guy for an old guy? I'm not suprised that NAV22 thinks this is a good idea.

 

[Nav22]

Why cut a young guy for an old guy?

Hahahaha... what a brilliant deduction by a complete layman with no football knowledge whatsoever! Quick! Email that line to Jerry, Stephen, Wade, Garrett... everyone!

Here's how you do it: you bring in the guy and let him compete for a roster spot in camp, Oh Wise One. You guarantee him NOTHING.

But I'm sure a smart guy like yourself realizes that is an option, right?

Here's a better question: if our goal is to win NOW, why hand a roster spot to an UNDRAFTED ROOKIE when we could instead bring in competition and let the best man win?

If Horn isn't miles better than Danny Amendola now, buh-bye Joe. Thanks for the effort. We'll stick with Danny (or Mike Jefferson), and we lose NOTHING by trying out Horn and cutting him in camp.

If Horn IS miles better than Amendola/Jefferson, we place Amendola/Jefferson on the practice squad and keep Horn on the 53.

Now what the hell is wrong with that?

I'm not surprised a simpleton like yourself can't see the clear logic in a move like this (IF AND ONLY IF Terry Glenn is a no-go).

 

[DaBoys4Life]

2 years ago, Horn had 37 catches for 679 yards and 4 TDs in just 10 games.

Prorated to a 16 game season, those numbers would have been 59 catches for 1086 yards and 6 TDs. Not too shabby.

If Glenn can't/won't return, I don't see why we shouldn't add Horn. He'd be an upgrade somewhere, either as a #2, #3, or #4 WR.

Actually Horn would be a step back I believe that the young players should be able to develop some one like horn wouldn't even help the team.

 

[starfrombirth]

Hahahaha... what a brilliant deduction by a complete layman with no football knowledge whatsoever! Quick! Email that line to Jerry, Stephen, Wade, Garrett... everyone!

Here's how you do it: you bring in the guy and let him compete for a roster spot in camp, Oh Wise One. You guarantee him NOTHING.

But I'm sure a smart guy like yourself realizes that is an option, right?

Here's a better question: if our goal is to win NOW, why hand a roster spot to an UNDRAFTED ROOKIE when we could instead bring in competition and let the best man win?

If Horn isn't miles better than Danny Amendola now, buh-bye Joe. Thanks for the effort. We'll stick with Danny (or Mike Jefferson), and we lose NOTHING by trying out Horn and cutting him in camp.

If Horn IS miles better than Amendola/Jefferson, we place Amendola/Jefferson on the practice squad and keep Horn on the 53.

Now what the hell is wrong with that?

I'm not surprised a simpleton like yourself can't see the clear logic in a move like this (IF AND ONLY IF Terry Glenn is a no-go).

Because for Austin, Hurd, and Stanback these are development reps, not tryout reps and bringing in Horn for development and tryout reps takes development reps from the young receivers. As I said in another post, bringing in Horn or holding onto Glenn is just going to derail their development when either one is not going to be able to produce for the whole year, so why do it.