DMN: Cowlishaw: Where's the outrage for the Pro Football Hall of Fame procedures?

[jobberone]

Cowlishaw: Where's the outrage for the Pro Football Hall of Fame procedures?
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Published: 03 February 2014 10:49 PM

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As a rule, I am not a proponent of writer-on-writer crime. Certainly in an era when newspapers, magazines and websites battle just to stay afloat, there’s no sense in diminishing one another’s credibility.

But it’s troubling to see the lack of outrage toward Pro Football Hall of Fame voting compared with the manner in which the Baseball Writers Association of America gets attacked year after year and especially this past election.

My complaint has to do with Charles Haley once again being passed over — being the best player in the front seven on five Super Bowl winners only gets you so far, apparently — but it’s not solely related to that. We’ll get back to Haley in a moment, but, really this had more to do with what Sports Illustrated’s Peter King said on Twitter about Buffalo wide receiver Andre Reed on Saturday night.

King tweeted: If Reed makes it, Buf fans owe big thanks to eloquent @gggaughan of BufNews.

As I said at the outset, I am not interested in attacking writers personally — certainly not Mark Gaughan, an excellent writer for The Buffalo News, or King, whom I first met in 1982 and whose army of Twitter followers could attack mine and, well, I would be Grenada in that one.

It’s all about the ridiculous process in which football elects its Hall of Famers. There are 46 voters. That’s well below 10 percent of the eligible voters for baseball’s Hall of Fame. It’s terribly exclusive and requires — as King pointed out — that media members give presentations on behalf of candidates.

Think about that. Andre Reed gets a good presentation — a great one, King suggests — and gets in. Others don’t get such a fabulous presentation and get kicked to the curb.

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[DandyDon1722]

It's always been a joke and lacks integrity at its core.

Some of you may not know this but there was a writer from Minnesota years ago who publicly stated he would NEVER vote a Dallas Cowboy into the Hall.

How could you ever in good conscious do that to any man who excelled and put his heart and soul onto the game.

The Hall Of Fame voting has been and continues to be morally bankrupt operated by a pompous few reporters with agendas.

 

[KB1122]

Again, there are now more 90s Buffalo Bills in the Hall of Fame than 90s Dallas Cowboys. That's ridiculous. Mr. Gaughan must be really good at presentations.

 

[burmafrd]

Sportswriters should have NOTHING to do with the process. Former players and coaches only.

 

[Alexander]

Sportswriters should have NOTHING to do with the process. Former players and coaches only.

Agreed. Writers will stick up for the players they like and honestly are not good judges of what a great player is. If the writer can romantically sell them the best, it does not matter what happened on the field.

Here is another article very similar which outlines it (ironically from a Pittsburgh writer): http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...otball-HOF-voting-flawed/stories/201402010124

 

[Bungarian]

Sportswriters should have NOTHING to do with the process. Former players and coaches only.

true

 

[daveferr33]

What he's saying is that Haley's presenter didn't do a good job. Rick Gosselin might be the presenter, I'm not sure...

If you read the article he does not say that:

And this is no knock on the Haley presenters — Fox’s Nancy Gay, who covered him in San Francisco, and the Fort Worth Star-Telegram’s Charean Williams — who are said by all to have done an excellent job.

 

[xwalker]

If you read the article he does not say that:

You have to read between the lines. Media people don't like to call out other media people directly.

The article starts as a complaint specifically about Haley and then he gets to his point here:

Think about that. Andre Reed gets a good presentation — a great one, King suggests — and gets in. Others don’t get such a fabulous presentation and get kicked to the curb.

He comes back with this to avoid directly criticizing other media members.

Fox’s Nancy Gay, who covered him in San Francisco, and the Fort Worth Star-Telegram’s Charean Williams — who are said by all to have done an excellent job.

Cole-slaw has a local radio show. It's easier to understand his criticisms of the presenter when he discusses it on radio. People say things on the radio that they won't put in print.

 

[jobberone]

What he's saying is that Haley's presenter didn't do a good job. Rick Gosselin might be the presenter, I'm not sure...

Perhaps you're right. Then he needs to hire his presenter a coach and get a PR firm to put it together.

This was perhaps a good idea at one time but I don't like it.

 

[WV Cowboy]

It's like letting the chess team pick the captian of the football team.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Where is the outrage? Clearly Cowishaw doesn't hang out in the CowboysZone enough.

 

[WV Cowboy]

It's like letting the chess team pick the captian of the football team.

Captain, .. LOL

 

[rcaldw]

Again, there are now more 90s Buffalo Bills in the Hall of Fame than 90s Dallas Cowboys. That's ridiculous. Mr. Gaughan must be really good at presentations.

I didn't know this, and if this is true, it is off the charts wrong.

 

[Redball Express]

Cowlishaw: Where's the outrage for the Pro Football Hall of Fame procedures?
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Published: 03 February 2014 10:49 PM

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As a rule, I am not a proponent of writer-on-writer crime. Certainly in an era when newspapers, magazines and websites battle just to stay afloat, there’s no sense in diminishing one another’s credibility.

But it’s troubling to see the lack of outrage toward Pro Football Hall of Fame voting compared with the manner in which the Baseball Writers Association of America gets attacked year after year and especially this past election.

My complaint has to do with Charles Haley once again being passed over — being the best player in the front seven on five Super Bowl winners only gets you so far, apparently — but it’s not solely related to that. We’ll get back to Haley in a moment, but, really this had more to do with what Sports Illustrated’s Peter King said on Twitter about Buffalo wide receiver Andre Reed on Saturday night.

King tweeted: If Reed makes it, Buf fans owe big thanks to eloquent @gggaughan of BufNews.

As I said at the outset, I am not interested in attacking writers personally — certainly not Mark Gaughan, an excellent writer for The Buffalo News, or King, whom I first met in 1982 and whose army of Twitter followers could attack mine and, well, I would be Grenada in that one.

It’s all about the ridiculous process in which football elects its Hall of Famers. There are 46 voters. That’s well below 10 percent of the eligible voters for baseball’s Hall of Fame. It’s terribly exclusive and requires — as King pointed out — that media members give presentations on behalf of candidates.

Think about that. Andre Reed gets a good presentation — a great one, King suggests — and gets in. Others don’t get such a fabulous presentation and get kicked to the curb.

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...ll-hall-of-fame-procedures.ece?nclick_check=1

In looking at this picture..

Isn't Mike Ditka in the HofF?

Hes a Cowboy big time..not in the picture?

Tony Dorsett?

Not a very accurate shot if you ask me.

Dan Reeves is another HofF Cowboy that absolutely should be in the shrine.

Great player, great coach and very deserving.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Isn't Mike Ditka in the HofF?

Hes a Cowboy big time..not in the picture?

He may be in as a Bear, .. not sure.

 

[DBOY3141]

Again, there are now more 90s Buffalo Bills in the Hall of Fame than 90s Dallas Cowboys. That's ridiculous. Mr. Gaughan must be really good at presentations.

Bills have: Kelly, Thomas, Smith, Reed, Levy, Wilson has main contributors to those teams. Lofton played 3 years, but most of his work was with the packers.

Cowboys have: Aikman, Smith, Irvin, Allen. Deion is similiar to Lofton.

Levy is a coach and Wilson is the owner. So players it's 4 and 4 who spent most of there time with the team. I don't think anyone can argue that the Bills players that got in don't deserve to be in. Question is, what Cowboy players from the 90's need to be put in? Haley? Woodson?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Sportswriters should have NOTHING to do with the process. Former players and coaches only.

Yes, former players would half no jealousy toward other players and coaches would be totally unbiased as to those who played against them and likely took ate their lunch.

Me, I trust writers more than barely literate ex-players (are you listening Warren Sapp?) and grizzled coaches who probably harbor more grudges than players.

 

[Little Jr]

I don't get the outrage for haley. He avg 7 sacks a year. He has 5 rings but since when did we start counting rings for de or olbs? During their careers we don't put wins and losses or championship behind their name so why do it for the hof? The outrage should be for greene. 3rd leading sacker in the nfl and avg 11 sacks a year and he can't get in.

 

[jobberone]

In looking at this picture..

Isn't Mike Ditka in the HofF?

Hes a Cowboy big time..not in the picture?

Tony Dorsett?

Not a very accurate shot if you ask me.

Dan Reeves is another HofF Cowboy that absolutely should be in the shrine.

Great player, great coach and very deserving.

Ditka likely still sees himself as a Bear. Reeves was a good player and a good player/coach who did more outside the organization. I don't know if he sees himself as a Cowboy, Falcon or Bronco.

Here is a recent picture of Tony:

 

[OhSnap]

I don't get the outrage for haley. He avg 7 sacks a year. He has 5 rings but since when did we start counting rings for de or olbs? During their careers we don't put wins and losses or championship behind their name so why do it for the hof? The outrage should be for greene. 3rd leading sacker in the nfl and avg 11 sacks a year and he can't get in.

Maybe they should both be in but Haley was more than 7 sacks/ season and most players will tell you he was the difference for the defense. Without a jittery first Qtr from the Cowboys in 94 the 9ers probably don't win that last SB without him. If the HOF is about excellence you just can't go on denying the ONLY guy to have 5 rings. I'd like to think Haley would have stuck his foot up Tashard Choices anal cavity for getting that autograph from Vick, there isn't a stat for that but thats what he brought to the teams he was on.