DMN: Cowlishaw: Where's the outrage for the Pro Football Hall of Fame procedures?

[Fritsch_the_cat]

Question is, what Cowboy players from the 90's need to be put in? Haley? Woodson?

Haley, certainly. And if there has ever been a better safety in the game of football than Darren Woodson, I'd like to know who it is. Solid game all around and a true warrior.

 

[Direwolf63]

Bills have: Kelly, Thomas, Smith, Reed, Levy, Wilson has main contributors to those teams. Lofton played 3 years, but most of his work was with the packers.

Cowboys have: Aikman, Smith, Irvin, Allen. Deion is similiar to Lofton.

Levy is a coach and Wilson is the owner. So players it's 4 and 4 who spent most of there time with the team. I don't think anyone can argue that the Bills players that got in don't deserve to be in. Question is, what Cowboy players from the 90's need to be put in? Haley? Woodson?

Believe it or not, but Jerry Jones will be in the HOF one day. As an owner, not a GM.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Haley, certainly. And if there has ever been a better safety in the game of football than Darren Woodson, I'd like to know who it is. Solid game all around and a true warrior.

Ronnie Lott and Ed Reed come to mind, off the top of my head.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

Ronnie Lott and Ed Reed come to mind, off the top of my head.

Better than Woody? No way. Just as good, but not better.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Better than Woody? No way. Just as good, but not better.

Fair enough.

I would take Woodson myself, .. but there have been a lot of really good safeties over the years.

 

[DBOY3141]

Ronnie Lott and Ed Reed come to mind, off the top of my head.

I don't think there's been a safety better than Lott, can cover and hit. He was a beast.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

Fair enough.

I would take Woodson myself, .. but there have been a lot of really good safeties over the years.

That's why I said "if there has ever been a better safety". I wasn't saying he was the best ever, just one of the best.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I really think that, had Haley had a better disposition and not half a history of being a bully in the lockerroom and off the field (peeing on cars) he'd be in. Plus, I don't think he gained any good feelings, when, after games, he'd showcase his homely daughter to the cameras.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Believe it or not, but Jerry Jones will be in the HOF one day. As an owner, not a GM.

You dont think he gets in as a GM? Really? What makes you think that?

 

[burmafrd]

Yes, former players would half no jealousy toward other players and coaches would be totally unbiased as to those who played against them and likely took ate their lunch.

Me, I trust writers more than barely literate ex-players (are you listening Warren Sapp?) and grizzled coaches who probably harbor more grudges than players.

wow. just wow

if you cannot look at that post and figure out what is wrong with it then there is truly no hope for you at all

but here is just a small hint why you are completely wrong

How many sportswriters are involved? 46

How many ex players and ex coaches are available vote on each candidate?

Do a little math and then sit down and let the adults talk

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I don't get the outrage for haley. He avg 7 sacks a year. He has 5 rings but since when did we start counting rings for de or olbs? During their careers we don't put wins and losses or championship behind their name so why do it for the hof? The outrage should be for greene. 3rd leading sacker in the nfl and avg 11 sacks a year and he can't get in.

Both should be in. Haley's impact isn't measured simply in sacks. The guy was as disruptive a force up front as any player I've seen. By just having him there the jobs of Jim Jeffcoat and Tony Tolbert were made 100% easier.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I don't think there's been a safety better than Lott, can cover and hit. He was a beast.

Without a doubt the best safety I've had the privaledge of watching in my lifetime. The guy was just incredible.

Woodson was a damn fine safety that I was always proud of seeing play with the Star on his helmet. I'd definately say he deserves to be in one day.

 

[dogunwo]

Agreed. Writers will stick up for the players they like and honestly are not good judges of what a great player is. If the writer can romantically sell them the best, it does not matter what happened on the field.

Here is another article very similar which outlines it (ironically from a Pittsburgh writer): http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...otball-HOF-voting-flawed/stories/201402010124

Wasn't there something in the past that Haley wasn't a "media" guy? So if a player isn't all that friendly with the media he wont get in? Randy Moss and TO are never getting voted in.

 

[KB1122]

Woodson would be my first choice. Three-time first-team All-Pro. But he'll have to wait on Steve Atwater for sure. Probably Lee Roy Butler. Somehow Woodson got completely snubbed from the All-Decade Team.

 

[KB1122]

There are also 2 first-team All-Decade players from the 1970s who are not in the Hall of Fame. Both are Cowboys (Drew Pearson and Cliff Harris).

 

[BigStar]

Bills have: Kelly, Thomas, Smith, Reed, Levy, Wilson has main contributors to those teams. Lofton played 3 years, but most of his work was with the packers.

Cowboys have: Aikman, Smith, Irvin, Allen. Deion is similar to Lofton.

Levy is a coach and Wilson is the owner. So players it's 4 and 4 who spent most of there time with the team. I don't think anyone can argue that the Bills players that got in don't deserve to be in. Question is, what Cowboy players from the 90's need to be put in? Haley? Woodson?

Haley most definitely and would say if Reed qualifies, Woodson should qualify but both are more ROH types as opposed to HOFs. Woodson really was under appreciated as one of the few Safeties who also played the team's primary slot cb in the nickel (Kam Chancellor hits) . Lynch would get the media glory/PBs because of a few head hunter shots, but Woody was by far the better player (who made Lynch type hits every game but weren't as glamorized by media types) Lynch was nowhere near as integral to the D is one of my all time favorites.

Woody made Kam Chancellor hits multiple times a game before they appeared a violent as they do now considering how infrequent they in the current game bc of the puss rules.

 

[perrykemp]

Woodson would be my first choice. Three-time first-team All-Pro. But he'll have to wait on Steve Atwater for sure. Probably Lee Roy Butler. Somehow Woodson got completely snubbed from the All-Decade Team.

From what I've read Woodson and Butler pretty much cancel each other out. Both played a long time, both played in roughly the same era, both had very similar stats, both played for Superbowl teams, etc etc.

 

[KB1122]

In fairness, the Denver Broncos are the most unfairly underrepresented. 2 SB wins. 7 SB appearances. 4 players in the Hall of Fame.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/still-only-four-denver-broncos-hall-fame-canton-163900522.html

Curtis Martin over Terrell Davis? Sheesh.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

In fairness, the Denver Broncos are the most unfairly underrepresented. 2 SB wins. 7 SB appearances. 4 players in the Hall of Fame.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/still-only-four-denver-broncos-hall-fame-canton-163900522.html

Curtis Martin over Terrell Davis? Sheesh.

Martin doesn't belong in the conversation for greatest RB of all time or anything like that, but I don't see how there is any question he's a HOF lock. He has a far stronger case than Davis (which has obviously played out). I don't really have a problem with TD in the HOF, but when you venture that far down the list there aren't many HOFers and the ones who are played shorter seasons and had shorter careers.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

wow. just wow

if you cannot look at that post and figure out what is wrong with it then there is truly no hope for you at all

but here is just a small hint why you are completely wrong

How many sportswriters are involved? 46

How many ex players and ex coaches are available vote on each candidate?

Do a little math and then sit down and let the adults talk

Do your math. And try to have the grace to keep the condensationatory stuph to yourself.
46 sportswriters or 2 or 1,000. It don't matter.
the writers half an overview not influenced by direct day-to-day events or those in other years that coaches and players would half.

If you think anyone else other thatn writers can do a better job, hurray for you. Hurray!
Now, allow others to half a different point of view, and I hope it won't bother you too much to be able to let others half it.

Your post is very arrogant, btw.