DMN: Dan Reeves: You can't win with distractions, different agendas

[BHendri5]

if Reeves cannot work with T.O., then he will not be working for the Cowboys organization, that is the bottom line.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

But like Dan Reeves intimated, things would have to change before he would even consider working with Jerry Jones.

That's definitely what this thing hinges on. If this thing goes through, TO is almost certainly gone; if it it doesn't, TO likely stays.

Meanwhile, the clock is ticking...

 

[JonJon]

Since yet another thread has turned into a semi-Owens discussion, I will add this.

I think Owens seriously wants to win and I don't think he is as selfish as people think. The problem is, he thinks that in order for the team to win, he has to be involved and have a big game. When you go and look at his stats compared to the team wins, you will see that he does have a point.

I think once Reeves sits down with Owens and discusses his commitment to the team, he will see that Owens really wants to win and win in Dallas, but he needs to relay to Owens that he is not always going to be the focal point of the offense and that we have other weapons that can get the job done as well. Whether Owens buys into it or not is another discussion, but I don't see Reeves being hired as an automatic dismissal of Owens at this point. Remember, Jones still wants to sell tickets, and Owens sells tickets.

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

if Reeves cannot work with T.O., then he will not be working for the Cowboys organization, that is the bottom line.

I'm not seeing that. Jerry, above all else, wants to get more championships. More than any player or coach currently with the team. IMO, if that means parting ways with TO, he'll do it. It's better to cut one player than to continue down this road.

 

[Bleu Star]

Eh What does he know?
We have five and Bleu, they know better than Reeves.

I have stated all along that a significant change in the coaching philosophy/staff would be a major positive for the team and that I would gladly wish TO well if letting him go became the result of the coaching change. I know you read it earlier this week but just in case..

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2605723&postcount=202

That said, I will continue to support TO until he is no longer a Cowboy.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I'm sorry, but the implication concerning TO "fitting" Reeve's comments about being removed was the author's. Those who already see TO as these things will thus only agree with the author's comments. It's standard psychology, and is the way the media works. The Cowboys had a lot more distractions which were worse in the 90s. Yeah, it hurt the team somewhat, but they still won.

That was then and this is now. How's it working so far?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I have stated all along that a significant change in the coaching philosophy/staff would be a major positive for the team and that I would gladly wish TO well if letting him go became the result of the coaching change. I know you read it earlier this week but just in case..

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2605723&postcount=202

That said, I will continue to support TO until he is no longer a Cowboy.

You knew I couldn't pass that up! I'm having your owens crying towel made as we speak.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Since yet another thread has turned into a semi-Owens discussion, I will add this.

I think Owens seriously wants to win and I don't think he is as selfish as people think. The problem is, he thinks that in order for the team to win, he has to be involved and have a big game. When you go and look at his stats compared to the team wins, you will see that he does have a point.

I think once Reeves sits down with Owens and discusses his commitment to the team, he will see that Owens really wants to win and win in Dallas, but he needs to relay to Owens that he is not always going to be the focal point of the offense and that we have other weapons that can get the job done as well. Whether Owens buys into it or not is another discussion, but I don't see Reeves being hired as an automatic dismissal of Owens at this point. Remember, Jones still wants to sell tickets, and Owens sells tickets.

I think you're 'misunderestimating' Reeves on this. I am very doubtful that he has any intention whatsoever of ever having a man-to-man with TO.

 

[Bleu Star]

You knew I couldn't pass that up! I'm having your owens crying towel made as we speak.

Believe it when I say not a tear would be shed. I'm a fan of TO but I am a much bigger fan of this right here... ---> :starspin

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I think you're 'misunderestimating' Reeves on this. I am very doubtful that he has any intention whatsoever of ever having a man-to-man with TO.

I agree, Dan is to old to try and reason with a two year old.

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

I agree, Dan is to old to try and reason with a two year old.

Reeves should just take him out to the wood shed.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

if Reeves cannot work with T.O., then he will not be working for the Cowboys organization, that is the bottom line.

I think we should let Jerry Jones, the Owner and General Manager make that decision.

 

[Dhragon]

So basically, if Reeves is hired and T.O is NOT let go, then Reeves wasn't a worthwhile hire.

If Reeves is O.K. with Jerry not listening to his advice on what he himself has said was a very important matter (distractions of T.O.), then what good is he? We don't need another lackey ala Wade. For all I've heard about Reeves, he is the anti-Wade, but if he can't get Jerry to listen to him on the important stuff, what does it all matter.

So even though I'm torn myself on keeping or ditching T.O., if we DO hire Reeves, I will only be optimistic for next season if T.O. is soon dropped. Else, Reeves hiring will prove to be only a smokescreen Jerry is using to try and placate the fans somewhat but which has no real substance.

Barring firing Wade, obtaining and USING Reeves would be the next best thing IMO. Hope Jerry does the right thing.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Yeah, but Reeves mentioned TO -- by name -- right up front and along with Pacman (who is as gone as they get) as a distraction. And then he talked about needing guys with good character. It's a reasonable assumption that Reeves wants TO gone. Or, to put it more starkly -- it's an entirely unreasonable assumption to read this and decide that Reeves doesn't want TO gone.

No it's not. As far as I know, Reeves had as much access to the internals of the Cowboys organization as you and I. Therefore, any type of information that he obtained with respect to TO being a distraction is based off the same material that we have: the media. That is a reasonable assumption.

What is unreasonable is basing an opinion on an author contrived agenda. First, one must define what it is meant to be a "distraction". Second of all, the levels of "distraction" that can or can't be tolerated when applied to the said particular individual must be determined. For example, questions that might be asked are, is the player producing at such a level that those distractions can be tolerated? Third, one must decide if the said distraction is negatively impacting the team as a whole such that the distraction is causing the team to lose games. Those are just a few of the questions or scenarios that must be answered or expanded upon.

That is the job of a "consultant". Or at least, an educated one.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

No it's not. As far as I know, Reeves had as much access to the internals of the Cowboys organization as you and I. Therefore, any type of information that he obtained with respect to TO being a distraction is based off the same material that we have: the media. That is a reasonable assumption.

What is unreasonable is basing an opinion on an author contrived agenda. First, one must define what it is meant to be a "distraction". Second of all, the levels of "distraction" that can or can't be tolerated when applied to the said particular individual must be determined. For example, questions that might be asked are, is the player producing at such a level that those distractions can be tolerated? Third, one must decide if the said distraction is negatively impacting the team as a whole such that the distraction is causing the team to lose games. Those are just a few of the questions or scenarios that must be answered or expanded upon.

That is the job of a "consultant". Or at least, an educated one.

You're seriously confused on this. The debate isn't over whether Reeves should want TO gone but rather over whether Reeves does believe TO should be gone. Where all of us get our info is not applicable.

Again, Reeves mentions TO as a distraction by name and talks about how distractions hurt teams. Ergo, it is illogical to assume that Reeves wants TO to stay and vice versa.

 

[Bleu Star]

Contrary to the popular belief of those that "strongly dislike" TO, Reeves won't come in and just drop the axe. Jerry wouldn't allow that to happen. Reeves would be forced to evaluate the "perceived" situation and then make an informed determination as to whether or not the team can continue with TO on staff. That determination would go to Jerry who has the final say so.

So for those thinking Reeves is just going to come in and

Think again. I do see the addition of Reeves as a very good thing for this shell of a coaching staff. Even if he is just acting as a consultant. Wade needs to get tougher (as promised) and start paying more attention to detail. Bringing on and old friend in Reeves would be some good get tough medicine.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Contrary to the popular belief of those that "strongly dislike" TO, Reeves won't come in and just drop the axe. Jerry wouldn't allow that to happen. Reeves would be forced to evaluate the "perceived" situation and then make an informed determination as to whether or not the team can continue with TO on staff. That determination would go to Jerry who has the final say so.

So for those thinking Reeves is just going to come in and

Think again. I do see the addition of Reeves as a very good thing for this shell of a coaching staff. Even if he is just acting as a consultant. Wade needs to get tougher (as promised) and start paying more attention to detail. Bringing on and old friend in Reeves would be some good get tough medicine.

We'll see but I doubt it seriously. I just don't see Reeves signing up under those conditions given what he says in the article.

I could easily see this deal falling through because JJ wouldn't agree to Reeves' demands.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Contrary to the popular belief of those that "strongly dislike" TO, Reeves won't come in and just drop the axe. Jerry wouldn't allow that to happen. Reeves would be forced to evaluate the "perceived" situation and then make an informed determination as to whether or not the team can continue with TO on staff. That determination would go to Jerry who has the final say so.

So for those thinking Reeves is just going to come in and

Think again. I do see the addition of Reeves as a very good thing for this shell of a coaching staff. Even if he is just acting as a consultant. Wade needs to get tougher (as promised) and start paying more attention to detail. Bringing on and old friend in Reeves would be some good get tough medicine.

Really?

Jerry Jones allowed Bill Parcells to drop the axe on Larry Allen, one of "Jerry's Cowboys" and possibly the greatest of "his" Cowboys.

 

[Alexander]

Why is there this continual belief that Jerry Jones is going to bow to Reeves' recommendations, particularly when it comes to personnel matters?

Any consultant is just going to recommend things. The decision maker (Jones) then has the option of either taking or ignoring the advice.

There is no "bottom line" concerning Owens in relation to Reeves. I strongly doubt that Jerry Jones is employing him to have decision making power. In fact, I guarantee he won't.

If he has that kind of say, then he is no longer a consultant. He's a decision maker with the abilities of a general manager. I will believe that kind of arrangement for Reeves when I see it.

 

[Bleu Star]

Really?

Jerry Jones allowed Bill Parcells to drop the axe on Larry Allen, one of "Jerry's Cowboys" and possibly the greatest of "his" Cowboys.

You don't know what happened behind the scenes.. nor do I. Read my post again. That will all take place without you even knowing it. The only thing you would see is the team letting TO go along with a "moving on" press conference by the team. Rest assured, this will only happy with Jerry's approval...