DMN: Dan Reeves: You can't win with distractions, different agendas

[Bleu Star]

Why is there this continual belief that Jerry Jones is going to bow to Reeves' recommendations, particularly when it comes to personnel matters?

Any consultant is just going to recommend things. The decision maker (Jones) then has the option of either taking or ignoring the advice.

There is no "bottom line" concerning Owens in relation to Reeves. I strongly doubt that Jerry Jones is employing him to have decision making power. In fact, I guarantee he won't.

If he has that kind of say, then he is no longer a consultant. He's a decision maker with the abilities of a general manager. I will believe that kind of arrangement for Reeves when I see it.

Thank you.

 

[Alexander]

Really?

Jerry Jones allowed Bill Parcells to drop the axe on Larry Allen, one of "Jerry's Cowboys" and possibly the greatest of "his" Cowboys.

How do you know this was not a mutual decision?

The only true authority Coach Parcells had over the team was over the staff. It was in his contract that he could hire and fire coaches.

Personnel is and always has been where Jerry Jones has the final say.

 

[SultanOfSix]

You're seriously confused on this. The debate isn't over whether Reeves should want TO gone but rather over whether Reeves does believe TO should be gone. Where all of us get our info is not applicable.

Again, Reeves mentions TO as a distraction by name and talks about how distractions hurt teams. Ergo, it is illogical to assume that Reeves wants TO to stay and vice versa.

No it's not illogical. What is illogical is to make the jump from Reeves saying TO is a distraction to concluding that he wants TO gone. That is conforming to the author's agenda.

Distractions can be minimized, they can be completely removed, or they can be determined to not have an impact on the overall goal. Those assessments must be made by a good consultant, who has knowledge about the situation. More than what he ascertains from the media.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Why is there this continual belief that Jerry Jones is going to bow to Reeves' recommendations, particularly when it comes to personnel matters?

Any consultant is just going to recommend things. The decision maker (Jones) then has the option of either taking or ignoring the advice.

There is no "bottom line" concerning Owens in relation to Reeves. I strongly doubt that Jerry Jones is employing him to have decision making power. In fact, I guarantee he won't.

If he has that kind of say, then he is no longer a consultant. He's a decision maker with the abilities of a general manager. I will believe that kind of arrangement for Reeves when I see it.

So you believe the looming Reeves hiring is nothing but a dog and pony show?

Why would Dan Reeves come to Dallas when he could certainly get another job in some capacity in the NFL and he recently stated that "changes" wiould have to be made if he were to work with Jerry Jones.

If Dan Reeves does get hired, I believe there will be changes. If he doesn't get hired then we know Jerry Jones wasn't willing to change.

That's my take at least.

 

[khiladi]

Why would Dan Reeves come to Dallas when he could certainly get another job in some capacity in the NFL and he recently stated that "changes" wiould have to be made if he were to work with Jerry Jones.

Dan Reeves is not really wanted in a coaching circle, and he has clearly expressed his interest to be a head-coach, over and over again. He is almost akin to a Fassel, in that, whenever a head-coaching position opens up, he expressed interest. Dan Reeves has also taken a consultary role with the Texans prior, when Capers was the HC and crap hit the fan. This didn't result in Dan Reeves getting a head coaching job or a high-ranking coaching role within the organization.

The fact is, Dan Reeves has ties to Wade and the special teams coach that was just hired, I believe is the son-in-law of Dan Reeves. He is being hired simply as a consultant, not a GM. Dan Reeves has plenty of personal interest in seeing the Dallas Cowboys succeed, whether he is coach or not..

Wade had already stated, when the season ended, that he was going to get advice from people close to him regarding how he can change his approach. The names he included, besides Marty, were Marv Levy and Dan Reeves. This is just one way in which Wade is fulfilling what he stated.

 

[CF74]

Since yet another thread has turned into a semi-Owens discussion, I will add this.

I think Owens seriously wants to win and I don't think he is as selfish as people think. The problem is, he thinks that in order for the team to win, he has to be involved and have a big game. When you go and look at his stats compared to the team wins, you will see that he does have a point.

I think once Reeves sits down with Owens and discusses his commitment to the team, he will see that Owens really wants to win and win in Dallas, but he needs to relay to Owens that he is not always going to be the focal point of the offense and that we have other weapons that can get the job done as well. Whether Owens buys into it or not is another discussion, but I don't see Reeves being hired as an automatic dismissal of Owens at this point. Remember, Jones still wants to sell tickets, and Owens sells tickets.

Reeve's is just showing his cards with those statements, basically saying, Jerry if you want me then be prepared for changes should I see fit. He's laying the foundation for what might transpire so there won't be any confusion down the road.

I agree that he will have a sit down with TO and he will let him know he won't hesitate to cut him, just letting him know there's a new sheriff in town.:draw:


I think once they have the sit down, things will fall in place. TO needs a take charge kind of man calling the shots, in fact all the players need a strong leader. Most importantly Jerry is finally realizing itray:

 

[Maikeru-sama]

How do you know this was not a mutual decision?

The only true authority Coach Parcells had over the team was over the staff. It was in his contract that he could hire and fire coaches.

Personnel is and always has been where Jerry Jones has the final say.

We don't know.

What we do know is that Larry Allen was a personal favorite of Jerry Jones.

And if Jerry Jones was willing to part with Larry Allen then it is foolish to state that Terrell Owens won't be shipped out of here as well.

Larry Allen was still productive and even went to a Pro Bowl in San Francisco.

 

[Bleu Star]

No it's not illogical. What is illogical is to make the jump from TO saying Reeves is a distraction to concluding that he wants TO gone. That is conforming to the author's agenda.

Distractions can be minimized, they can be completely removed, or they can be determined to not have an impact on the overall goal. Those assessments must be made by a good consultant, who has knowledge about the situation.

Reeves? A Distraction? Really?

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Why is there this continual belief that Jerry Jones is going to bow to Reeves' recommendations, particularly when it comes to personnel matters?

Any consultant is just going to recommend things. The decision maker (Jones) then has the option of either taking or ignoring the advice.

There is no "bottom line" concerning Owens in relation to Reeves. I strongly doubt that Jerry Jones is employing him to have decision making power. In fact, I guarantee he won't.

If he has that kind of say, then he is no longer a consultant. He's a decision maker with the abilities of a general manager. I will believe that kind of arrangement for Reeves when I see it.

My focus is on what Reeves will accept, not JJ. I don't think Reeves will agree to any deal that includes TO as a Cowboy.

It's still very early of course but the fact that this 'deal' isn't yet done may be a function of the old unstoppable force v. immovable object phenomenon.

We'll know soon enough -- if Reeves and TO are both Cowboys come April 1 (or thereabouts), I will have been proven very wrong.

 

[Bleu Star]

Reeve's is just showing his cards with those statements, basically saying, Jerry if you want me then be prepared for changes should I see fit. He's laying the foundation for what might transpire so there won't be any confusion down the road.

I agree that he will have a sit down with TO and he will let him know he won't hesitate to cut him, just letting him know there's a new sheriff in town.:draw:


I think once they have the sit down, things will fall in place. TO needs a take charge kind of man calling the shots, in fact all the players need a strong leader. Most importantly Jerry is finally realizing itray:

Nice post. That's how I see it working out too.

 

[Alexander]

I agree that he will have a sit down with TO and he will let him know he won't hesitate to cut him, just letting him know there's a new sheriff in town.

And T.O.'s response would be laughter and "Well, you are not the man who signs my checks."

I think once they have the sit down, things will fall in place. TO needs a take charge kind of man calling the shots, in fact all the players need a strong leader. Most importantly Jerry is finally realizing itray:

Let me know when it is announced that Dan Reeves is not only signed but has decision making authority. Until then, this is nothing but baseless thought.

 

[Bleu Star]

We don't know.

What we do know is that Larry Allen was a personal favorite of Jerry Jones.

And if Jerry Jones was willing to part with Larry Allen then it is foolish to state that Terrell Owens won't be shipped out of here as well.

Larry Allen was still productive and even went to a Pro Bowl in San Francisco.

We know all that... Just don't assume that Parcells came in and said "Jerry.. Larry's outta here"... You have no idea what sort of discussions most likely took place behind closed doors. We're talking Jerry here.

 

[Alexander]

We don't know.

Then why say Coach Parcells got rid of Allen? He did not have authority to do that.

What we do know is that Larry Allen was a personal favorite of Jerry Jones.

So was Emmitt Smith. Do you think Coach Parcells got rid of Emmitt Smith and the general manager just sat back and allowed it?

This continual belief that Jerry Jones allows or has ever allowed personnel movement on this team without his sign off is endlessly amusing to me.

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

any type of information that he obtained with respect to TO being a distraction is based off the same material that we have: the media. That is a reasonable assumption.

You really think this? I'm sure Reeves has/will do his homework on the team before a deal is done. He's an insider in the league and I'm sure is privvy to more information than we are.

I seriously doubt he takes just what the media reports.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

And T.O.'s response would be laughter and "Well, you are not the man who signs my checks."




Let me know when it is announced that Dan Reeves is not only signed but has decision making authority. Until then, this is nothing but baseless thought.

I think a more logical test would be if Reeves is hired and TO is cut.

This is the very workable, available compromise. JJ gives on what may be Reeves' biggest sticking point up front but JJ keeps decision making authority going forward.

 

[SultanOfSix]

You really think this? I'm sure Reeves has/will do his homework on the team before a deal is done. He's an insider in the league and I'm sure is privvy to more information than we are.

I seriously doubt he takes just what the media reports.

I'm sure he does have access to that information. That doesn't mean he has obtained it yet. Unless, he really is being considered for the job, and has done his homework. But, even then, he still has to answer those questions. He's not going to come in and immediately cut TO.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Then why say Coach Parcells got rid of Allen? He did not have authority to do that.



So was Emmitt Smith. Do you think Coach Parcells got rid of Emmitt Smith and the general manager just sat back and allowed it?

This continual belief that Jerry Jones allows or has ever allowed personnel movement on this team without his sign off is endlessly amusing to me.

This assumption that Bill Parcells didn't have any say so over personnell amuses me.

Jerry Jones constantly stated that Bill Parcells had quite a bit of authority but in cases where they disagreed, Jerry Jones stated that he held the tie breaker.

Again, I am merely stating that if Larry Allen could be shown the door, so can Terrell Owens.

That's not an opinion that is fact.

 

[Alexander]

So you believe the looming Reeves hiring is nothing but a dog and pony show?

In regards to true decision making powers, yes.

I am guessing like everyone else in lieu of an announcement, but I presume he would be doing here what he did in Houston. Helping the coaching staff (not getting rid of them though) and giving his feedback on the overall state of the organization.

To be crude, yes that is a bit dog and ponyish.

Why would Dan Reeves come to Dallas when he could certainly get another job in some capacity in the NFL and he recently stated that "changes" wiould have to be made if he were to work with Jerry Jones.

From what I have seen, he's not getting multiple offers for jobs. He has been campaigning for several years letting everyone know he wants to get back into coaching and the only thing he has officially interviewed for or was in line to interview for was the SF coordinator job, which he apparently pulled himself out of. Sorry, I don't see where he has his pick of jobs across the NFL. He has the appearance of a man who is looking to get back in. He was asked about Dallas because he was on the radio. Believe me, he was marketing himself there also.

If Dan Reeves does get hired, I believe there will be changes. If he doesn't get hired then we know Jerry Jones wasn't willing to change.

I believe there will be some changes. I am sure the coaching staff will get examined closely, recommendations made and if Jones agrees, these will be mandated. But in terms of true concrete change which involves Reeves actually having the ability to walk up to players and tell them they are gone, I highly doubt it.

No consultant does that. That is the general impression that is given off when they arrive, that they are there to lop off the heads of poor performers and dead weight. That does not mean the decision maker has to agree or is willing to agree. Nor is it even reasonable to assume that he would be doing anything here that he did not do at his previous consulting stop with Houston. He did not cut players there either.

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

I'm sure he does have access to that information. That doesn't mean he has obtained it yet. Unless, he really is being considered for the job, and has done his homework. But, even then, he still has to answer those questions. He's not going to come in and immediately cut TO.

If he's already in discussions with the team, you can bank he's already done his homework.

 

[Bach]

I'm not seeing that. Jerry, above all else, wants to get more championships. More than any player or coach currently with the team.

B.S. - Only his way.