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[Zimmy Lives]

I'll say the same three things I said when the season was officially over for the Cowboys...

1. There is no one player in this draft that will take the Cowboys over the top in 2016.
2. Tony Romo is no lock to play 85% of games in 2016.
3. If there is a good time to look to the future, now is the time. If they draft a QB, he could be a quality backup as well as possibly be the franchise QB of the future.

Use free agency to shore up areas of weakness and then use the rest of the draft picks to upgrade positions, especially on defense.

 

[conner01]

215 weight ain't to bad but if he can get 10 pounds it can help him with hits in the NFL.

Adding some bulk would be easy. Making his hands grow so he can throw in bad weather and not fumble more times than games played is going to be a bit harder to do

 

[Vinnie2u]

I've done a 180 on this. Month ago I was kind of against taking the QB at 4 but honestly, if one of Goff and Wentz is there and the Cowboys like them, you have to take the QB.

Jerry and Stephen cannot be shortsighted here.

Welcome to the club.

 

[DCBoysfan]

215 weight ain't to bad but if he can get 10 pounds it can help him with hits in the NFL.

The thing about his weight is he is not expected to come in and play right away, hopefully for a 2-3 years, so theoretically he has time to put on weight and learn the NFL game. But I'm very torn on if they should take a QB or a defensive player.

 

[Rogerthat12]

I want that QB, I would be happy with Wentz or Goff at 4.

Cowboys should address defense in free agency and the draft.

 

[bounce]

That actually is a solid point.

If you were that high on Johnny, why would you pass on a guy who you should be more excited about?

Because I imagine most of the appeal to Jerry was attention and $$, not his abilities. Goff or Wentz wouldn't bring the attention, good or bad, that Manziel brought, but they'd be MUCH better fits on the field.

 

[Western]

A 4-12 record in 2015.
Sorry Jerry, have a moment of clarity and concede to the reality of the situation.
It is time to start using the "R" word - Rebuilding.

Draft the QB at 4 or higher if necessary, and by mid-season the rookie QB will see some playing time due to Romo being injured, hurt, or performing below standards.
In 2017, the rookie QB takes over the starting job (release Romo in 2017 and suck it up and take the salary cap hit, or find a trading partner and have them re-work/re-structure Romo's contract, or 'encourage' Romo to retire).

 

[Redball Express]

If you can get a franchise QB at 4 then you draft him. You just have to be very smart the rest of this draft and again next year at least at the 1 pick.

I think FA factors in here heavily.

With the money we have available or could get if desired..

its like an additional draft for us.

Does FA solidify QB and RB with signings such as RG3 and Lamarr Miller?

If it does...then the draft shifts back to the defense.

The big question is who and what comes in FA.

That has to play out.

Then the draft becomes much clearer.

 

[Rockport]

That actually is a solid point.

If you were that high on Johnny, why would you pass on a guy who you should be more excited about?

I think the only person that was high on Manziel, and I mean high in every sense of the word, was Jerry.

 

[RS12]

A rookie QB on a five year contract allows you to keep an O Line in its prime together.

 

[Rockport]

I think FA factors in here heavily.

With the money we have available or could get if desired..

its like an additional draft for us.

Does FA solidify QB and RB with signings such as RG3 and Lamarr Miller?

If it does...then the draft shifts back to the defense.

The big question is who and what comes in FA.

That has to play out.

Then the draft becomes much clearer.

If they rake a QB at #4 that means 5 million per year for a guy likely to sit on the bench for 2 years. That will impede your FA options somewhat. And if Romo does go down this year the rookie QB isn't going to come in and save the day. Rookie QB's almost always struggle. Fans just can't seem to look at the big picture and just want Madden type instant gratification. Now having said that if they do think a QB available to them at #4 is truly absolutely a franchise QB then I would have no problem with the pick. But I don't think any of them are 75% Or higher consensus franchise QB's.

 

[Redball Express]

If they rake a QB at #4 that means 5 million per year for a guy likely to sit on the bench for 2 years. That will impede your FA options somewhat. And if Romo does go down this year the rookie QB isn't going to come in and save the day. Rookie QB's almost always struggle. Fans just can't seem to look at the big picture and just want Madden type instant gratification. Now having said that if they do think a QB available to them at #4 is truly absolutely a franchise QB then I would have no problem with the pick. But I don't think any of them are 75% Or higher consensus franchise QB's.

I don't understand what criteria you are using as a franchise QB.

Back when Dallas drafted Aikman and then also drafted Steve Walsh..

nobody knew which guy was going to succeed.

I really thought Walsh was the better bet since Johnson had him at UM and had brought most of the UM staff with him.

We all know that isn't what happened.

But nobody predicted Aikman winning 3 SBs.

So I'm not sure how you judge that.

Now if you are saying we don't have the coaches to make a QB a franchise player..

that maybe the case.

I have my doubts about Garrett heading that mission up.

He has had his hands full learning how to be a HC..

much less then redirecting his leadership to developing a QB when he was never more than a low level QB himself.

 

[Direwolf63]

If they rake a QB at #4 that means 5 million per year for a guy likely to sit on the bench for 2 years. That will impede your FA options somewhat. And if Romo does go down this year the rookie QB isn't going to come in and save the day. Rookie QB's almost always struggle. Fans just can't seem to look at the big picture and just want Madden type instant gratification. Now having said that if they do think a QB available to them at #4 is truly absolutely a franchise QB then I would have no problem with the pick. But I don't think any of them are 75% Or higher consensus franchise QB's.

If Romo goes down, NOBODY is going to save the day. So you may as well play your rookie #4 pick. I don't know what a #4 pick makes on his rookie contract, but I don't think its $5M a year. It is considerably less than that. But in the end, it doesn't matter what he is making. I want to see some long term thinking coming our of management for a change. Short term band aids can be found in FA and other draft picks.

The #4 pick should be for the long term future of the QB position, assuming scouts and the personnel guys are convinced he is has franchise potential.

 

[MrPhil]

Think about it this way, only 7 picks separate where we drafted in the first last year and to where we are drafting in the 2nd last year. We can get a high contributer very easily in the 2nd

This is why I tend to look at the #4 overall pick as an extra pick.

 

[MrPhil]

A rookie QB on a five year contract allows you to keep an O Line in its prime together.

That is a very good point.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

That actually is a solid point.

If you were that high on Johnny, why would you pass on a guy who you should be more excited about?

Because one guy you would have drafted halfway through the first round.

Because another guy you're drafting 4th overall.

Because you may have a higher grade in another player.

Because that was 4 years ago.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

This is why I tend to look at the #4 overall pick as an extra pick.

I mean. That's silly.

 

[MrPhil]

I mean. That's silly.

Thanks?

 

[jobberone]

I think FA factors in here heavily.

With the money we have available or could get if desired..

its like an additional draft for us.

Does FA solidify QB and RB with signings such as RG3 and Lamarr Miller?

If it does...then the draft shifts back to the defense.

The big question is who and what comes in FA.

That has to play out.

Then the draft becomes much clearer.

If you think RGIII is your next franchise QB then go defense. If you want defense first then you can draft a second tier QB in the 2nd or 3rd. I think Lynch, Wentz and Goff are the cream of this crop although I suspect another will rise eventually to replace one or all. For me RGIII is a vet backup but that could change. I think more highly of him than many do here. He's just too much of a question mark for me to pass on a possible franchise player in the draft....if that is your meaning.

I have no way to know what the Boys will do nor how the draft will unfold. The safest bet with the need for a franchise QB is to draft one this year. You may not get another chance such as this.

 

[cowboyschmps3]

The thing about his weight is he is not expected to come in and play right away, hopefully for a 2-3 years, so theoretically he has time to put on weight and learn the NFL game. But I'm very torn on if they should take a QB or a defensive player.

Yeah that's what I meant and well exactly agree with you there at the end.