DMN: Tim Cowlishaw: QBs Young & Leinart: From can't miss to can't figure

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[SIZE=+2]QBs Young & Leinart: From can't miss to can't figure

[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]10:22 AM CDT on Thursday, September 11, 2008

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Thirty-two months ago, they were on top of the football world. It's hard to say who has fallen farther, Matt Leinart or Vince Young.

They were the quarterbacks in the spotlight of the greatest BCS championship game ever played. USC's Leinart was outstanding. Texas' Young was even better.

I couldn't imagine how either one could miss as an NFL quarterback.

Leinart seemed to have a great arm and an uncanny ability to make plays at the biggest moments. It was speculated that he would have been the No. 1 pick in the 2005 draft had he not chosen to stay for his senior year.

There were always concerns about Young's throwing motion, and the offense he ran at Texas was anything but pro style. But his ability to lead was undeniable.

I figured – and so did many scouts – that he had to come into the NFL with at least as much skill as Randall Cunningham had coming out of Nevada-Las Vegas. And Cunningham managed a pretty decent 16-year career that included being named All-Pro four times.
And yet here we are a week into their third NFL season. Leinart can't get on the field in Arizona. And Titans fans want Young off the field in Tennessee.

Young's career is one of the most difficult to analyze of any player I have seen. If it's all about winning at the quarterback position, then Young is fine. In fact, he's better than fine. He's outstanding.

Young's first start for Tennessee came when the team was 0-3 in 2006. He led them to an 8-8 record to earn Offensive Rookie of the Year honors. He led them to the playoffs in 2007.

In Sunday's opener, in spite of two interceptions and a late knee injury, Young led the Titans to victory once again.

But the numbers just keep getting worse. And if quarterbacking in the NFL is all about passer rating, then Young just can't play.

His numbers since coming into the league are worse than that of San Francisco's Alex Smith, whose career with the 49ers appears to be over. They are worse than "Train" Rex Grossman's in Chicago. They are worse than Joey Harrington's, and he can't find work in a league that employs 96 quarterbacks.

So how do you weigh the tangibles against the intangibles in Young's case? And what would his numbers look like if he were a Cowboy, throwing the ball to Terrell Owens and Jason Witten and handing off to Marion Barber instead of throwing the ball to Bo Scaife and Justin Gage and handing it off to LenDale White?

I'm not suggesting his numbers would match Tony Romo's. But every quarterback, to some extent, succeeds or fails because of his supporting cast, and Tennessee has not bothered to surround Young with top-level talent.

I still think the Titans need to find a way to get behind him and return him to the lineup whenever his injury heals. In Young's case, with so much unrefined skill, the jury is still out.
The same is true with Leinart. How do you make a judgment on a player with 15 NFL starts in two seasons? It takes a much larger body of work than that to be declared a bust.
Most people expected Leinart to emerge from the preseason as the Cardinals' starting quarterback. A three-interception game, in just 12 attempts, against Oakland pretty much handed the job back to veteran Kurt Warner.

Warner's injury history suggests Leinart's time will come during the 2008 season. But how long will the opportunity last?

Arizona has done a better job than Tennessee of supplying Leinart with talent. The Cardinals just won't let him use it.

One of the problems is that Leinart was drafted by coaches no longer in Arizona. Maybe he's just not Ken Whisenhunt's guy.

But with the financial investment that both teams have made in their quarterbacks, the Cardinals and the Titans have to want these two to succeed.

For them to be failing this deep into their pro careers is a stunning development. And it may have as much to do with organizations failing them as the other way around.
 

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No talent for the Titians

maybe at wr but Chris Johnson debuet was good White has talent he is just fat and lazy which is why they drafted Chris and do not forget they had Travis Henry that ran well for them and they ask there qb to not lose games in Titina land
 

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Kangaroo;2252575 said:
No talent for the Titians

maybe at wr but Chris Johnson debuet was good White has talent he is just fat and lazy which is why they drafted Chris and do not forget they had Travis Henry that ran well for them and they ask there qb to not lose games in Titina land


Johnson will help out a lot. It will be interesting to see if the Titans ever put him in the slot to mix it up some. Johnson wasn't drafted because of any disappointment with White. They are two completely different kinds of running backs. White is an above average runner who isn't that bad. He isn't great but he isn't bad.

You are correct that the QB isn't asked to do much, and nor should they considering the great defense and lack of gamebreakers at receiver.

I agree with Cowlishaw. The trajectory of VY's NFL career is baffling and disappointing. I'm very surprised that he hasn't started to polish other elements of his game by now. He's got away from running the football and frankly he isn't going to be anything if he refuses to run 5-6 times a game. It's just a huge weapon he has that goes unused.

I along with many Titan fans are losing some faith in VY, but I can't say the guy is finished when he has absolute trash at receiver. I don't think there are any young QBs who would put up good numbers with that crew.
 

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BigDinAZ;2252625 said:
I was surprised when Warner got the job over Leinart!!

To me he is a bigger disappointment than Vince at the moment. He's got a great offense to work with and isn't making happen. Fitgerald and Boldin should be a young QB's wet dream.
 

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Leinart lost his job to a former super bowl MVP. That's not exactly a HUGE dissappointment. There are at least 10 (probably more) teams out there that woudl love to have Warner as their QB.

And Cowlishaw isn't being logical... "ability to lead", "coming through in a big spot"... these aren't the things that teams look for in drafting a QB (or shouldn't). I mean, those things are nice and good to have, but it doesn't matter for **** if you don't have the intelligence to be an NFL QB. That comes first and foremost as an essential trait to be an NFL QB. Both Young and Leinart still need to prove that they have it.
 
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