Do people realize

[camelboy]

Great post. The problem is with the perception of the level of achievement. If JG was the HC of any other team and he achieved the same accomplishments the whole league would consider that as a Belichick-eaque thing and he would be a genius..but at Dallas people want to dominate and win BIG every single week forgetting that this organization is full of rotten pieces........
When he took over the whole world sat back and admitted..Dallas Cowboys are in "re-build" mode...Still JG kept this team relevant til the last game of the season for his three full years when during this time NY, Phil, and Wash pop up for the single year wonder to fall back to ground the other years...

 

[visionary]

Great post. The problem is with the perception of the level of achievement. If JG was the HC of any other team and he achieved the same accomplishments the whole league would consider that as a Belichick-eaque thing and he would be a genius..but at Dallas people want to dominate and win BIG every single week forgetting that this organization is full of rotten pieces........
When he took over the whole world sat back and admitted..Dallas Cowboys are in "re-build" mode...Still JG kept this team relevant til the last game of the season for his three full years when during this time NY, Phil, and Wash pop up for the single year wonder to fall back to ground the other years...

if bill belichick was 8-8, 8-7, and 8-7 having lost "win and in" games the past 2 seasons with a top 10 QB and a HOF pass rusher, he would have been derided just as Garrett should be

this guy is still learning the basics of being a HC

if Garrett gets fired he is not going to be offered a HC or OC positino in the NFL and no top college program would even consider him for HC

need to stop dreaming and wake up

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Show me another team that has started 18 different players on the DL and you might have a point.

Overall, I would agree we've probably had more than our share of injuries the last two seasons. I'd like to see some evidence before I proclaim it to be some kind of outlier. But how much more? So much more than average that we excuse mediocre performance? I'd need some evidence for that.

Fans always overestimate the amount of injuries to their own teams, relative to the rest of the league. Yes, we've had perhaps a record-breaking amount of injuries to the D-line and probably well more than average to our linebackers. The secondary has been hit but I doubt more than average. Secondaries are usually hardest hit by injuries. But the rest of the team's units have gone relatively unscathed. Our offense has had next to nothing.

 

[Gaede]

Part of the reason we have such lack of depth is poor drafting and player evaluation. That falls on the head coach too.

 

[camelboy]

if bill belichick was 8-8, 8-7, and 8-7 having lost "win and in" games the past 2 seasons with a top 10 QB and a HOF pass rusher, he would have been derided just as Garrett should be

this guy is still learning the basics of being a HC

if Garrett gets fired he is not going to be offered a HC or OC positino in the NFL and no top college program would even consider him for HC

need to stop dreaming and wake up

And Belichick DID get fired....REMEMBER? .. because organization like the Browns, and fans like some here argued the same way on how he is a bad HC and would never get a HC job again...How did it turn now?
At least JG on his first gig is not putting the numbers BB had in Clevland..his team is relevant to the very end of the season in EVERY season he's been here which gives me the optimism that JG will have results much faster than BB....

And if he is learning HC'ing why would anyone let him go after he learned what he learned so far? it's like one keeps preparing the meal , putting ingredients together to get it just about right and when the recipe is close to being perfect he hands the whole thing to someone else.....

PATIENCE PEOPLE....

 

[VThokie7]

And Belichick DID get fired....REMEMBER? .. because organization like the Browns, and fans like some here argued the same way on how he is a bad HC and would never get a HC job again...How did it turn now?
At least JG on his first gig is not putting the numbers BB had in Clevland..his team is relevant to the very end of the season in EVERY season he's been here which gives me the optimism that JG will have results much faster than BB....

And if he is learning HC'ing why would anyone let him go after he learned what he learned so far? it's like one keeps preparing the meal , putting ingredients together to get it just about right and when the recipe is close to being perfect he hands the whole thing to someone else.....

PATIENCE PEOPLE....

How long did it take him to get another Head coaching job? Sometimes you're just not ready for it. Belichick clearly learned from his failures. Jason was elevated to head coach way sooner than he ever should've been. And will actually need to earn his way up through the ranks this time once he gets canned here.

As for your last question, because clearly he hasn't learned anything from his mistakes. Garrett still abandons the run on a regular basis and we continue to lose games in the most bizarre fashion. Perhaps if he actually showed some level of progress we could agree. But instead he has regressed to the point that Jerry even took away the play calling.

And patience and the NFL do not go together. We've been too damn patient wasting our opportunity with this core by hiring a coach that needs to learn on the job.

 

[Naruto]

And if he is learning HC'ing why would anyone let him go after he learned what he learned so far?

Because he's a really really slow learner and there is no "No Child Left Behind" program in the NFL

 

[Dodger12]

At least JG on his first gig is not putting the numbers BB had in Clevland..his team is relevant to the very end of the season in EVERY season he's been here which gives me the optimism that JG will have results much faster than BB...

Since when is this "relevance" bullcrap a standard by today's NFL or fan base? Where the hell did this measuring stick come from where you can have a losing record and it's OK because you're "relevant"? People have completely lost their marbles and are buying what Jerry Jones is selling hook, line and sinker.

And if he is learning HC'ing why would anyone let him go after he learned what he learned so far? it's like one keeps preparing the meal , putting ingredients together to get it just about right and when the recipe is close to being perfect he hands the whole thing to someone else.....

Garrett has learned nothing. We took the Detroit fiasco a couple of years ago as a "learning experience" and guess what? The dolt did it again versus Green Bay just two short weeks ago. He's making mistakes and managing games so poorly that my local HS football coach could do a better job.

And this recipe you speak of is far from perfect. As a matter of fact, it's putrid and the only reason you can't see how horrible it is is because Romo hides Garrett's flaws. Garrett brings nothing to this team on game day....zero....zilch. Not a unique game plan, no half time adjustments, no creative offense to get his playmakers the ball, etc.

 

[CaptainMorgan]

Garrett is a horrible horrible head coach.

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[Chocolate Lab]

Since when is this "relevance" bullcrap a standard by today's NFL or fan base? Where the hell did this measuring stick come from where you can have a losing record and it's OK because you're "relevant"? People have completely lost their marbles and are buying what Jerry Jones is selling hook, line and sinker.

Not to mention the fact that we've only been playing for anything the few years because the division has been lousy. Most previous years at least one, and sometimes more than one, NFCE team would already be to ten wins -- at least -- and we'd be done.

 

[Rockport]

Oh man, the ol, hey some guys are out, and this team is broken, but hey you know what? 1 out of 4 walls is not burning and we can hang our hat on that. How some people are so happy this team fights so hard to mediocre what they are willing to accept to make it feel good is beyond me.

You have to give the players, at least, some credit for still competing DESPITE what the Jones, the coaches and the injuries have done to this team.

 

[CaptainMorgan]

You have to give the players, at least, some credit for still competing DESPITE what the Jones, the coaches and the injuries have done to this team.

In spite of bad coaching!

 

[Dodger12]

And Carter is a complete tangent. If Quincy is proof Jones can't evaluate QB talent then Tony Romo and Troy Aikman are proof that he can.

Jerry had nothing to do with Romo or Aikman. Nothing, except signed their check. He didn't evaluate them or scout them. Matter of fact, a Dallas scout had Romo ranked with a mid-round grade and told Romo we'd draft him but we thought BJ Ticker, Zuriel Smith and Justin Bates were more valuable. Then our GM thought so highly of Romo that he gave up a third for Drew Henson. I have no doubt that if we had any other HC at the time other than BP (and Sean Payton), Henson would have been our starting QB at some point and we'd have gone on for years trying to replicate Troy Aikman and failing, while Romo would have gone to another team and found success.

Jerry the GM that gave us Quincy, Chad Hutchinson, Clint Stoerner, Anthony Wright, Ryan Leaf, Tony Banks, Randall Cunningham, and Lord knows who else. And you think this guy is going to save us after Romo hangs it up? I dread that day.

 

[Doomsday101]

That Garrett has this team controlling their own destiny overcoming a defense that has started 18 different players on the DL? All of our LBs have missed time. We have been dinged on the back end too.

The Eagles have NO PLAYERS ON IR and have only lost 30 GAMES by injured starters.

Dallas has 7 PLAYERS ON IR. And God knows how many lost games but the DL alone has surpassed the Eagles total.

With guys on D that should be at Home Depot giving up yards and points at a record pace we have somehow gotten ourselves to 5-0 in the NFC East and a win and you are in on Sunday night.

Sorry but that is not bad coaching.

I for one would love to see what this team could do with a defensive minded draft and some luck for once on the injury front. Because with even a middle of the pack defense this team would not be playing Sunday for a spot in the playoffs, they'd be playing for the #1 seed.

I agree but I also think Garrett has to win a 3rd year in a row of making it to the last week and coming up short I don't think he can survive. I'm pulling for him and this team but he can't have situations were we give up late leads, this team must show mental toughness and for the most part have not shown that.

 

[Doomsday101]

Jerry had nothing to do with Romo or Aikman. Nothing, except signed their check. He didn't evaluate them or scout them. Matter of fact, a Dallas scout had Romo ranked with a mid-round grade and told Romo we'd draft him but we thought BJ Ticker, Zuriel Smith and Justin Bates were more valuable. Then our GM thought so highly of Romo that he gave up a third for Drew Henson. I have no doubt that if we had any other HC at the time other than BP (and Sean Payton), Henson would have been our starting QB at some point and we'd have gone on for years trying to replicate Troy Aikman and failing, while Romo would have gone to another team and found success.

Jerry the GM that gave us Quincy, Chad Hutchinson, Clint Stoerner, Anthony Wright, Ryan Leaf, Tony Banks, Randall Cunningham, and Lord knows who else. And you think this guy is going to save us after Romo hangs it up? I dread that day.

No Jerry had as much to do with them as he did with any other player. Sorry but picking and chooseing what players he had a say? He had a say in all of them the bust and the pro bowler.

 

[Dodger12]

No Jerry had as much to do with them as he did with any other player.

Really, he scouted Aikman or Romo?

 

[Doomsday101]

Really, he scouted Aikman or Romo?

No he does not scout any player that is what scouts are paid to do. He has say in the selection both bust and pro bowlers This crap of people picking and choosing based on player making it or not is down right stupid. He has say in all picks he does nto scout player most GM don't that is why they hire a group of men called SCOUTS that is what they do. No one is running a one man show in the NFL

 

[Little Jr]

And people still find a way to attwmpt to defend jg. Smh.

 

[cml750]

As I've said repeatedly, injuries are not an argument to keep Jason Garrett. They may be a mitigating circumstance in the presence of a legitimate argument, but they do not, in any way, speak to his quality as a coach. Regardless of the injury situation, after three years, we should have some evidence Garrett is a good coach. We don't. Instead, we have specious game management and a series of highly improbable losses that have kept the Cowboys out of the playoffs.

What's clear as day now is that Garrett should not have been hired in the first place. This was the wrong situation for him. If the Cowboys had been a team in complete rebuilding mode without a franchise quarterback, the Garrett hire might have made sense. He could've grown with them. Unfortunately, the Cowboys weren't that team. Instead, they were a team loaded at the skill positions and fielding the most prolific passer in franchise history in the prime of his career-- a career that's been squandered waiting for Garrett to "figure it out."

That's criminal.

Scipio, you absolutely nailed it!!!!! Where is the hammer smiley when you need it !!!! Why there are still Garrett apologist who can't see him for what he truly is, is just mind numbing to me.

 

[wileedog]

And Belichick DID get fired....REMEMBER? .. because organization like the Browns, and fans like some here argued the same way on how he is a bad HC and would never get a HC job again...How did it turn now?

Belichick was an extremely successful coordinator for YEARS under a HOF coach. In fact many people liked to give him a lot of the credit for the success of Parcells early coaching stints.

Garrett not so much. He has been a mediocre at best OC under a 3 time failure at HC and then was promoted himself to HC solely on his uncanny ability to mouth the words "Yes Mr. Jones." There is nothing in his tenure in Dallas that in any way indicates someday he is going to blossom into Bill Belichick, and continuing to waste more years thinking he will is spinning the team's wheels.