Do people really believe there is a better option than Dak this year?

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  1. CowboysFaninHouston

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    I can collect the exact same stats you have for Stafford, Rodgers, Brees. you are looking at it in a vaccum with an anti dak agenda.....you have provided no facts to back up your assertion and your entire focus has been on this past year.
     
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  2. CowboysFaninHouston

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    he won every crucial game in 2016. he won a bunch of crucial games in 2018. but the focus is only on 2019......

    and we all forget about the coaching factor that led to 3 losses directly because of stupid calls and plays in crucial times during the game...
     
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  3. CATCH17

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    Is Dak even in the league still if he gets drafted by Detroit?

    Stafford is a heck of a player. The organization is just trash.
     
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  4. Aviano90

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    Who knows if Dak would still be in the league but it doesn’t change my opinion Matt Stafford sucks. No team will win with him and I wouldn’t want Dallas to significantly increase the QB salary for that loser.
     
  5. CowboysFaninHouston

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    as opposed to the cowboys organization that's tops in the league!!! with Garrett and Jones' :eek:;)
     
  6. big dog cowboy

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    I remember the good old days when I thought this thread could get all the way to 10 maybe 12 pages long.

    :laugh:
     
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  7. CATCH17

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    Dak has been provided a great Oline, RB, and receiving weapons.

    He’s been in an optimal situation for any QB to have success.



    Dak is just not a prolific passer.. Hes a run the offense and take what is there kind of guy.

    Once Dallas pays him, and they will, our chances of winning the Super Bowl go bye bye.
     
  8. CowboysFaninHouston

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    what are the chances of winning superbowl with any other QB, that would realistically be available?

    I am not a dak fan, nor anti-dak. I want what's best for cowboys. I just haven't heard anyone make a viable argument that we have a better "realistic" option than Dak that would lead to a superbowl…..I have heard people argue for Jamis Winston who is absolutely horrible, Mariotta for Gawd's sake, Keenum...yes, keenum!!!, trade for Stafford as he is not in the market to be traded and he has been no better than dak, now coming off a serious injury at the age of 33, Tom Brady at 43 and teddy bridgewater just because he is grass that to some people is greener on the other side.

    I have been a Dak critic and been accused of being a Dak hater!! (go figure)….but what I criticized him about is improving his fundamentals that would lead to improving his game, he made great strides last year just by improving his footwork and in a better offensive scheme with a rookie OC, in his second year of coaching in his entire career, he was one of the top passers in the league....yet still handicapped by an imbecile for a head coach!!! who somehow managed to make all the wrong decisions at the wrong times in games....

    and why would our changes of winning a superbowl go bye bye? I don't buy that.

    Dak is not Mahomes...there aren't any other QBs in the league that are mahomes. Brees and Brady are sunsetting. if Brady was still atop the league bilicheck and NE wouldnt' let him go and test the market...so are we questioning Bilicheck's wisdom? are we ignoring bilicheck factor in NE success? this is the same coach that has won with other QBs in his system, but what we don't know if brady can win in another system with other players....

    so what are the realistic options? if you have no better options than what we currently have, despite you not liking the current option, its the best option available....

    so what is your other proposal and options that would make cowboys better?
     
  9. CowboysFaninHouston

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    btw, this OL was injured and bad in 2018. in 2017 they had injuries specially at LT and the coaching staff wasn't prepared for it. we got cooper mid way last year and Dak was among the best passers in the league in the second half. so isn't that what you expect from your QB, give him weapons and he can maximize them. you can't tell me Brees would be the same without Thomas.....or Brady without Gronk (we saw what happened)…..its what you can do when given the weapons and given the weapons, he was among top passers and by the same token Gallup was a rookie in 2018, and he stepped up this year, but that also has a lot to do with the QB....we can't just say hey, I don't like Dak, so I make Gallup into this great WR and then claim Dak had great WRs, Dak had a lot to do with his success as well.

    and dak may had some good players on the team, but he was handicapped with Linehan and Garrett for three years. you had been one of the biggest critics of both. put bilicheck here and see what happens and how many more games we win.

    and it seems like you are saying, if we don't have a prolific passer we can't make it to the superbowl. how many "prolific" passers are in the league?
    Mahomes
    Brees
    Rodgers
    ?
     
  10. CATCH17

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    Yeah there is going to be problems and things won’t be perfect.. He’s about to get more money then he is worth.. It will be on him to elevate others around him. No more excuses.

    Also, I think it’s difficult to pay truly elite QBs a ton of money and try to win a Super Bowl.. Much less a QB like Dak.
     
  11. CATCH17

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    Stafford will be less then Dak.

    That’s a win for Dallas.

    The only edge Dak may have over Stafford is Dak doesn’t get injured.
     
  12. CowboysFaninHouston

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    you still didn't answer the question about viable options.

    and what is he worth. vs. what will he get. there maybe a few million difference.

    I think Dak can get it done. he has/can elevate those around him. he is not a prolific passer, but again, there are only a few in the league. everybody else has warts, including Stafford who has been nothing but a lot of hype. media darling per se.

    today's NFL is either you stumble into a QB, or draft one high, hit on them. hit on a few other draft picks in couple of draft picks in a row, make a run in your first 4 or 5 years during their rookie contracts and then the players depart in FA or as you said, the cap hit goes insane. or you are NE patriots with bilicheck and just hum along on a separate trajectory and plan than everybody else.

    Mahomes is going to get paid in the $50 range and everyone including people on this board will say he is worth it, if there is any QB that should be paid its him, blah blah blah and abandon all the talk about salary cap hit.

    and also, don't forget salaries have been going up. 3 years ago cousins got 27 mill a year, people thought that's insanity, now we say hey if Dak takes that its good. ryan pushed it to $30 and people went, OMG, and now we say if he takes $30 we will be good. then Russell got $33 and now we are talking $35.....so in about three years we say $35 is not so bad, given salaries are in the $45+ range for starting above average QBs...that's just the market.

    and with new CBA, salary cap is going to go up, which reduces the percent hit on your cap. not only that, if we are going to sign an FA its this year. we have been pretty lucky and managed cap well and this year we have 90+ million in cap space and no dead money. we can sign Dak, cooper, quinn, couple of other top FAs and still have room to fill the gap and still be OK on the cap for the next few years....the cap is not an issue for us as we have managed well.
     
  13. CowboysFaninHouston

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    how is that a win for dallas? its not about spreadsheet math. its about winning superbowls...Stafford has choked in critical moments all his career and his record in 11 year is 1-2 in the playoffs (I think that's what he is at). and now he is coming off of a serious back injury that ended Romo's career and he is 33. that's a huge loss and big risk for dallas.

    before you go on blaming the Detroit FO and coaching, you have to compare it to dallas FO and coaching...they both sucked. Dak at least over came some of the coaching incompetencies….
     
  14. Aviano90

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    Still a huge increase over what Dak was making for a choking QB. Team will be doomed. Would rather another mid-round bus driver unless he takes vet minimum.
     
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  15. ABQCOWBOY

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    How can the be empty stats if the Packers and the Saints made the playoffs? In terms of Stafford, that may be true but he is doing it with a lot less talent on the Offensive side of the ball. The problem with the Dak situation is that the expectations for the Cowboys this season was much, much greater. The expectations for the Lions was little to nothing. That's the real issue.
     
  16. cern

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    i was always sincere when discussing the glitch.
     
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  17. CATCH17

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    Dak has been surrounded by optimal talent..

    Put Stafford in Dallas, protect him, ask him to do less and not try to carry his team like he does in Detroit and he will be as good or most likely better then Dak for cheaper then Daks upcoming contract.
     
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  18. CATCH17

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    Now you will be told that Dak threw for 5000 yards and 30 TDs in hopes that you didn’t actually watch our games this year and saw how lousy our offense was against good teams.
     
  19. doomsday9084

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    Collecting the stats in an objective manner would be extremely time consuming and change exactly no one's mind. The pro dak agenda that people like yourself have isn't going to allow you to accept it. Why waste my time?

    I have noted the past year frequently but I my biggest fears are based around previous years. For example, last year before Coop showed up, Dak was flat out terrible. Again, I'm not going to back that up because you either know that or not. Dak has proven that he needs a really good team around him to succeed and paying him a fortune is going to make that extraordinarily difficult to accomplish.
     
  20. Aviano90

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    Every QB can be destroyed. All you have to do is highlight the negatives and credit others for the positives.
     
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