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I don't think we have a real shot at a superbowl until we get either more skilled players on the o-line or a different scheme entirely. Romo had been to the playoffs three times and two of those three got his brains beat in because the line got their brains beat in.
 

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Sarge;3315199 said:
Stats dont always tell the story. The OL can thank Romo for his scrambling abilities. Their pass protection is very average.

As for you simply relying on stats for your lame argument.........Steven Jackson had 4 TD's last year - I hardly think he's average. Care to guess where Stephen Jackson would rank if you used that stat in evaluating where he ranks as a RB ?

Watch the game and learn a thing or two. It's not all in the stats.

But you just said OL was a big part of the problem, now you say they are average. That’s still pretty good in the NFL. No doubt the Cowboys need to address OL in the draft and free agency. But to call the OL a big problem...i think thats a stretch.

I don’t follow the Rams so can’t tell you the issues with Jackson and his OL, hasn’t he been injuried alot? I do watch Cowboy games, over and over and over again during the season. Reason why i feel confident about saying the “starting” OL is not a big problem.
 

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SLATEmosphere;3313721 said:
Do you guys think we try to milk everything out of Flozell and Columbo for one more year?

I'm asking because I wonder if Jerry neglects O-line again this year and goes for the sexy picks early for one last year before we focus on O-line in the early rounds in 2011.

If you get an Earl Thomas and Dexter McCluster in rounds 1 and 2 this year, think about how set you are at skill positions for the next 4-5 years.

Romo
Austin
Witten
Bennett
RW*
Barber
Felix
Choice
McCluster
Maybe even throw Phillips in that mix

That's an extremely young and loaded set of skill players on offense. I don't see a need to draft offense skill players for at least a few years if we got a McCluster.

Looking at the defense, it's the same thing. What positions are a need? Safety and ILB. Well if you get Thomas, look at how much the defense is improved. We're pretty much still young everywhere on defense except Brooking for the next 3-4 years.

With those two players added, look at the flexibility that gives you for the next 3-4 drafts. Your extremely loaded at every position expect ILB and O-line. You could dedicate the next 3 first rounders on Lineman and STILL be loaded everywhere. Meanwhile, we get by with the lineman we have.

I don't see any lineman drafted this year starting for us anyways. Therfore no real impact in the games unless an injury occurs.

Basically what I'm saying is that I think Jerry goes all out this year and drafts only 3 players, but those players being high quality to get us over the hump and impact the games in 2010.

I don't think we're 3 players away from a championship team.
 

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Everlastingxxx;3315435 said:
How about this stat:

Dallas 24
World Champions 17

The OL was good enough to beat them.

That's a fair point to make, but it's not really logically sound, considering the Vikings pass rush was MUCH better than New Orleans'.
 

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casmith07;3315569 said:
That's a fair point to make, but it's not really logically sound, considering the Vikings pass rush was MUCH better than New Orleans'.

Plus NAWleans didn't have Sedrick Ellis for the game against us.
 

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burmafrd;3315193 said:
it is stupid to put too much emphasis on one game where frankly we did not play that well as a team. Making wholesale changes on an O line is an invitation to get your QB splattered. The best O lines are not always the most talented; but they usually have been together for a while so that they know each other and can work together effectively. The best thing to do is change maybe one position a year. If the Hotel conitinues to slide badly we will need to put in Free. That would be the change for this year. Kosier's deal expires and at his age we are not going to pay him a lot. So probably we replace him next year. Now assuming we can find and actually develope a Tackle we then replace Colombo the next year. Then Gurode or davis the year after that. In 5 years you have a new O line without a lot of disruption. And the oldest player if we do it right is only maybe 29 or 30. That line can stay together for several years and then you start to replace it. That is the way the process should go.

Which is why we need to go heavy with the OL in this draft. I don't feel the NEED to change one starter from last years group. I do feel the need to have at least two players to fill in for injured players this season.
Free is one, we need another.

My hope is that Brewster or one of the players we draft next month can be that 2nd player at some point this season.
 

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TheSport78;3315571 said:
Plus NAWleans didn't have Sedrick Ellis for the game against us.

Sedrick Ellis or no Sedrick Ellis, we would've won that game.

Flozell was injured, and Doug Free was on the bench to start against the Vikings. Ray Edwards caused us to lose that game.
 

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sonnyboy;3315574 said:
Which is why we need to go heavy with the OL in this draft. I don't feel the NEED to change one starter from last years group. I do feel the need to have at least two players to fill in for injured players this season.
Free is one, we need another.

My hope is that Brewster or one of the players we draft next month can be that 2nd player at some point this season.

And then when those players have high-ankle sprains/fractures...don't start them after 7-8 weeks missed when the backup is playing lights out.
 

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casmith07;3315569 said:
That's a fair point to make, but it's not really logically sound, considering the Vikings pass rush was MUCH better than New Orleans'.

The point i want to make is you can’t base anything on ONE game. Vikings were the better team THAT DAY.
 

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Everlastingxxx;3315581 said:
The point i want to make is you can’t base anything on ONE game. Vikings were the better team THAT DAY.

Fair enough.
 

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Everlastingxxx;3315435 said:
How about this stat:

Dallas 24
World Champions 17

The OL was good enough to beat them.

Your retort made my point. You're relying on stats to suggest something your stats do not prove.

Because we could not get to the NFC Championship game because of the very offensive line you are trying to support with this lame comparison.

One game or not the actual stats that do have significance are the ones that showed our offensive line could not get us to the Super Bowl.

Line up all the numbers you want, the truth is we lost because of the line.
 

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casmith07;3315577 said:
Sedrick Ellis or no Sedrick Ellis, we would've won that game.

Flozell was injured, and Doug Free was on the bench to start against the Vikings. Ray Edwards caused us to lose that game.

I didn't say we wouldn't lose the NO game. That was just our night.

I'm not sure it was so much Ray Edwards that costed us the game as much as it was Marc Colombo.
 

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TheSport78;3315588 said:
I didn't say we wouldn't lose the NO game. That was just our night.

I'm not sure it was so much Ray Edwards that costed us the game as much as it was Marc Colombo.

Edwards had to play too, even if Colombo was 75%. If Edwards didn't show up that game, it would've been very different, in my opinion.

And if Garrett would've run the ball more at Jared Allen. :eek::
 

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TwoDeep3;3315585 said:
Your retort made my point. You're relying on stats to suggest something your stats do not prove.

Because we could not get to the NFC Championship game because of the very offensive line you are trying to support with this lame comparison.

One game or not the actual stats that do have significance are the ones that showed our offensive line could not get us to the Super Bowl.

Line up all the numbers you want, the truth is we lost because of the line.

I have not posted a single stat, i asked a question. If the line is so horrible, how did we even get to the NFC Divional game? Oh right, Romo runs around...oh wait, i guess he couldn’t run around that day?

I have not re-watched the game but the reason we lost doesn’t matter. Look at the entire season, the whole body of work. The Vikings lost the next week too and you could blame their OL...guess they need to over-haul theirs too.

And according to your logic, 31 teams need to re-work their OL because they did not win the Super Bowl.
 

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Everlastingxxx;3315598 said:
I have not posted a single stat, i asked a question. If the line is so horrible, how did we even get to the NFC Divional game? Oh right, Romo runs around...oh wait, i guess he couldn’t run around that day?

I have not re-watched the game but the reason we lost doesn’t matter. Look at the entire season, the whole body of work. The Vikings lost the next week too and you could blame their OL...guess they need to over-haul theirs too.

And according to your logic, 31 teams need to re-work their OL because they did not win the Super Bowl.

This is a good point. If the Vikings OL wasn't so terrible, then Favre wouldn't have thrown that pick.

Except that he's Fadeaway Favre.
 

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casmith07;3315594 said:
Edwards had to play too, even if Colombo was 75%. If Edwards didn't show up that game, it would've been very different, in my opinion.

And if Garrett would've run the ball more at Jared Allen. :eek::

I get what you're saying. It's even more frustrating that nobody heard Edwards' name the next week in New Orleans. He was basically a non-factor.
 
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