Do we make this mistake again?

[Rockport]

Start watching around the 1:50 mark

Aikman: Well I just think that not just Sunday, but I think this year, he is much more decisive with his decision-making and his ability to process what he is seeing pre-snap and taking it post-snap, if that makes sense. He is seeing the field a lot better. Take for instance the Giants game, Week 1, you could argue that there was nobody covering anybody in that game and in some ways that would be right — I’ve never seen guys as open as they were in that game. But he knew exactly where he was going with the football and he put the ball on the money and I don’t know if that would necessarily happen prior to this year and that has just continued. He has been overall accurate with the football and I’ve been impressed.
A lot of those things don’t come naturally for some players. Throwing the ball accurately does not come naturally for them. For me, it always did. From the time I was real young when I would pick up any kind of ball I could throw it wherever I wanted to. But then there are others who we see and they can’t. The amount of time that Dak has put in is obvious. With his throwing motion, with his footwork, working on accuracy, studying opponents’ defenses, all of those things and that hard work has paid off.

When you start evaluating players and you start projecting what they are going to be after they get paid a lot of money, for some I think you worry about some of those things. For him... I’ve said it many, many, many times: I wouldn’t worry about it at all. He is really motivated to be the best version of himself that he can be. He works hard at it and I don’t think anything is going to keep him from going down that path. With all of the great qualities he has as a leader in the locker room and the way the players rally around him...there’s just a lot of great things about Dak that maybe here in the Metroplex we take for granted because we don’t follow all of the other quarterbacks as closely as we do our own. He’s a special, special guy and has taken some of the things that he maybe wasn’t quite as good at his first few years and he’s made those real strengths through sheer determination and a lot of hard work.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

Aikman: Well I just think that not just Sunday, but I think this year, he is much more decisive with his decision-making and his ability to process what he is seeing pre-snap and taking it post-snap, if that makes sense. He is seeing the field a lot better. Take for instance the Giants game, Week 1, you could argue that there was nobody covering anybody in that game and in some ways that would be right — I’ve never seen guys as open as they were in that game. But he knew exactly where he was going with the football and he put the ball on the money and I don’t know if that would necessarily happen prior to this year and that has just continued. He has been overall accurate with the football and I’ve been impressed.
A lot of those things don’t come naturally for some players. Throwing the ball accurately does not come naturally for them. For me, it always did. From the time I was real young when I would pick up any kind of ball I could throw it wherever I wanted to. But then there are others who we see and they can’t. The amount of time that Dak has put in is obvious. With his throwing motion, with his footwork, working on accuracy, studying opponents’ defenses, all of those things and that hard work has paid off.

When you start evaluating players and you start projecting what they are going to be after they get paid a lot of money, for some I think you worry about some of those things. For him... I’ve said it many, many, many times: I wouldn’t worry about it at all. He is really motivated to be the best version of himself that he can be. He works hard at it and I don’t think anything is going to keep him from going down that path. With all of the great qualities he has as a leader in the locker room and the way the players rally around him...there’s just a lot of great things about Dak that maybe here in the Metroplex we take for granted because we don’t follow all of the other quarterbacks as closely as we do our own. He’s a special, special guy and has taken some of the things that he maybe wasn’t quite as good at his first few years and he’s made those real strengths through sheer determination and a lot of hard work.

So Troy basically keeps saying he likes Dak and Dak works hard to improve himself and he's a good leader..i agree with all of that. He also says many other things like he's not an accurate QB or he's too indecisive in the pocket or he doesn't make proper pre-snap reads or as JJ said in the clip you quoted in your reply above QB's in Troys era didn't have the checkdows QB's have today that make them look more accurate or as Terry Bradshaw said in the same clip Dak all to often misses wide open reciever..putting the emphasis on WIDE OPEN

 

[KJJ]

It's getting late now as the deadlines appear on our horizon about signing or tagging Dak and Amari.

Lets remember why all of this happened in the first place.

Tony Romo.

The OL rebuild was supposed to help Romo.

Drafting Zeke was to replace Murray leaving and no running game.

To help Romo. To be Romo Friendly.

Dak was not drafted to take over. He was just supposed to be a project behind Romo as a safety net.

Now here we are,. Romo has got his dream TV job leaving him plenty of time for golf..

Dak is grossly about to be overpaid in a move that is going to doom this team for years if he fails or gets hurt and can't play well enough..

because of Dak needing to have a posse of people around him who are All Pros..

we can't afford a defense at all.

It been like the Keystone Cops in Dallas.

And we keep making the same old mistakes with this team..

we get a low cost QB and we want to go to the SB with him by overpaying for him to get there thinking if we just pay him enough..

and wait long enough..

It will all work.

Failures have now caused a complete coaching change to be made and Garrett was made the sacrificial lamb along with all the coaches.

Quite a blood letting to beDak Friendly.

Now Dak has stopped being Cowboy Friendly and wants to be paid the most in the league to be our leader.

Doesn''t anybody see this problem clearly?

The timing of signing Dak and Amari to these contracts are all out of order.

You pay players for performance AFTER you receive services rendered.

Not before.

Mahomes is the best there is right now.

He gets paid AFTER he wins a SB.

Not before.

Brady?

Same thing.

But the Cowboys?

Nope.

We like Dak.

We will overpay Dak becuz Dak has suffered with us and been underpaid for two losing runs into the playoffs.

OMG.

Somebody pour some coffee down the gullets of the Jones and sober them up.

We are about to completely lose this team to their decisions of wanting to make a bad business platform work.

It will not strike oil,Jerrah the WildCat man.

I have one suggestion for Jerrah.

Stop applying oil philosophy to sports.

Some of your posts make me scratch my head. Mahomes is going to get paid whether he won the Super Bowl or not. He was a $40 million QB after his rookie season. Dak has been a great deal for the Cowboys for the past four seasons playing under a rookie fourth round contract. He ended up developing into a franchise QB. What would doom us for years to come is to not pay him and go with a lesser QB. Dak has given the team four solid seasons under a cheap rookie deal and it’s time to pay him. As for Amari he’s lived up to the first round pick we gave up for him and we have to pay him. It’s not Dak and Amari’s fault that their contracts are up at the same time. We could have had one of their contracts done long before now. Dak will be overpaid because the NFL today overpays QBs. You’re not going to win a championship on a budget especially cutting corners at the most important position on your team.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

Some of your posts make me scratch my head. Mahomes is going to get paid whether he won the Super Bowl or not. He was a $40 million QB after his rookie season. Dak has been a great deal for the Cowboys for the past four seasons playing under a rookie fourth round contract. He ended up developing into a franchise QB. What would doom us for years to come is to not pay him and go with a lesser QB. Dak has given the team four solid seasons under a cheap rookie deal and it’s time to pay him. As for Amari he’s lived up to the first round pick we gave up for him and we have to pay him. It’s not Dak and Amari’s fault that their contracts are up at the same time. We could have had one of their contracts done long before now. Dak will be overpaid because the NFL today overpays QBs. You’re not going to win a championship on a budget especially cutting corners at the most important position on your team.

Your also not going to win a championship by overpaying the QB position, that has also been proven in the salary cap era where only one QB (Steve Young) who's cap hit was at least 13% of the cap ever won a championship and Dak is no Steve Young. At 200m (projected cap for this season) Dak at 35m per season is 17.5% of our cap

 

[G2]

Your also not going to win a championship by overpaying the QB position, that has also been proven in the salary cap era where only one QB (Steve Young) who's cap hit was at least 13% of the cap ever won a championship and Dak is no Steve Young. At 200m (projected cap for this season) Dak at 35m per season is 17.5% of our cap

"Overpaying" is subjective. I like to look at the eras after Aikman and before Romo.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

"Overpaying" is subjective. I like to look at the eras after Aikman and before Romo.

Look i'm not saying you can win with a bad QB either..you can't, but overpaying the QB position no matter who the QB is does not bode well for winning a championship (history in the salary cap era tells us that) because you are taking money away that is needed to build around that QB

 

[KJJ]

Your also not going to win a championship by overpaying the QB position, that has also been proven in the salary cap era where only one QB (Steve Young) who's cap hit was at least 13% of the cap ever won a championship and Dak is no Steve Young. At 200m (projected cap for this season) Dak at 35m per season is 17.5% of our cap

You’re going back over 25 years ago. It’s ridiculous to compare the cap hit percentage QB salaries took up a quarter century ago compared to now. If you haven’t noticed QB salaries have skyrocketed the past few seasons. Before long practically every team that has a legit franchise QB is going to have to pay the market value to hang onto them. This past Super Bowl saw Jimmy G who’s making just over $27M per season. Pat Mahomes contract will far exceed that. Russell Wilson won his Super Bowl before Seattle had to make him the highest paid player in the league. No way are you going to be able to compete for a championship in the coming seasons with a low priced QB unless they’re able to reach a Super Bowl under their rookie deal. You’re not going to get anywhere with a low price castoff at the most important position on your team.

 

[G2]

Look i'm not saying you can win with a bad QB either..you can't, but overpaying the QB position no matter who the QB is does not bode well for winning a championship (history in the salary cap era tells us that) because you are taking money away that is needed to build around that QB

Not really, every year the cap goes up and so does the QB salary market. So, the sooner the better when the staff is convinced they have a franchise QB. They had 4 years paying Prescott under 1 million a year. So why didn't they "build a team around him?" They literally had 30+ million to work with.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

You’re going back over 25 years ago. It’s ridiculous to compare the cap hit percentage QB salaries took up a quarter century ago compared to now. If you haven’t noticed QB salaries have skyrocketed the past few seasons. Before long practically every team that has a legit franchise QB is going to have to pay the market value to hang onto them. This past Super Bowl saw Jimmy G who’s making just over $27M per season. Pat Mahomes contract will far exceed that. Russell Wilson won his Super Bowl before Seattle had to make him the highest paid player in the league. No way are you going to be able to compete for a championship in the coming seasons with a low priced QB unless they’re able to reach a Super Bowl under their rookie deal. You’re not going to get anywhere with a low price castoff at the most important position on your team.

Yes they have and none of those teams have won a SB with a QB with a cap hit over 13%, whether it was last year or 25 years ago except once with Steve Young and his cap hit was 13.1%. As for Jimmy G the salary Cap in 2019 was 188m. Jimmy G's cap hit in 2019 was 20m (look it up) that was 10.1% of the cap last season, the year before in 2018 his cap hit was 37m or 21% of the cap, the 49's did not make the SB

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Your also not going to win a championship by overpaying the QB position, that has also been proven in the salary cap era where only one QB (Steve Young) who's cap hit was at least 13% of the cap ever won a championship and Dak is no Steve Young. At 200m (projected cap for this season) Dak at 35m per season is 17.5% of our cap

So Eli never won a ring being highly compensated?

So if this is true than next season should be interesting. Since Wentz, Goff, Dak, Brees, Brady, Garapolo, Rodgers, etc. are all paid....it must mean Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen or Kyler Murray should be contenders next year.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

Not really, every year the cap goes up and so does the QB salary market. So, the sooner the better when the staff is convinced they have a franchise QB. They had 4 years paying Prescott under 1 million a year. So why didn't they "build a team around him?" They literally had 30+ million to work with.

I understand what you are saying but the numbers say otherwise

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Look i'm not saying you can win with a bad QB either..you can't, but overpaying the QB position no matter who the QB is does not bode well for winning a championship (history in the salary cap era tells us that) because you are taking money away that is needed to build around that QB

It means nothing. The past Super Bowl winners won not because they had a cheap quarterback but because they had great coaches and good defenses.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

So Eli never won a ring being highly compensated?

Yes he was and just as an example in the last 5 years He made 103m and only once was his cap hit over 13% of the total cap and while i haven't looked i would bet the years he won the SB he wasn't over 13% either

https://overthecap.com/player/eli-manning/865/

 

[G2]

I understand what you are saying but the numbers say otherwise

It terms of a franchise QB on his 1st extension, I disagree. What are the numbers?

 

[SSoup]

Our fans are such trash

 

[KJJ]

Yes they have and none of those teams have won a SB with a QB with a cap hit over 13%, whether it was last year or 25 years ago except once with Steve Young and his cap hit was 13.1%. As for Jimmy G the salary Cap in 2019 was 188m. Jimmy G's cap hit in 2019 was 20m (look it up) that was 10.1% of the cap last season, the year before in 2018 his cap hit was 37m or 21% of the cap, the 49's did not make the SB

You must have seen that list of QBs starting with Steve Young. The only QBs who’ve won Super Bowl’s recently other than Mahomes last season who weren’t taking up a large percentage of their teams cap was Wilson, Brady and Foles. Wilson won his Super Bowl under his rookie deal before he became the highest paid player in the league. Brady was taking a team friendly deal because he’s loaded from all the money he’s made throughout his career and Nick Foles was making backup QB money when he won his SB. QB salaries are going to continue to skyrocket and the percentage of cap space they take up will depend on how high the salary cap goes.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

It means nothing. The past Super Bowl winners won not because they had a cheap quarterback but because they had great coaches and good defenses.

I'm not talking about a cheap QB i'm talking about not overpaying any QB in relation to the cap. Doesn't matter who they are. Brady, Rodgers, Brees etc, no team has ever won the SB in the cap era with a QB making more than 13% of the total cap except the 94 49's with Steve Young and his cap hit was 13.1% of the total cap

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

It terms of a franchise QB on his 1st extension, I disagree. What are the numbers?

All you have to do is look it up but here are the numbers. This is for the salary cap era only

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/af283d/percentage_of_salary_cap_taken_up_by_super_bowl/

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/02/nfl-quarterback-salaries-salary-cap-kirk-cousins-free-agency

Read about halfway down the on that 2nd link. Even more interesting is the stat that says only 4 times has a team won the SB in the salary cap era with a QB who's cap hit was 11% of the total cap

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I'm not talking about a cheap QB i'm talking about not overpaying any QB in relation to the cap. Doesn't matter who they are. Brady, Rodgers, Brees etc, no team has ever won the SB in the cap era with a QB making more than 13% of the total cap except the 94 49's with Steve Young and his cap hit was 13.1% of the total cap

Eli Signed a 6 year 97 million dollar contract in 2009 when the salary cap was 120 million. Cap number was 14 million in 2011. Won a Super Bowl in 2011.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

Eli Signed a 6 year 97 million dollar contract in 2009 when the salary cap was 120 million. Cap number was 14 million in 2011. Won a Super Bowl in 2011.

Sometimes i think you argue just to argue. In 2011 Eli's cap hit was 11.7% of the total cap

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/af283d/percentage_of_salary_cap_taken_up_by_super_bowl/
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/02/nfl-quarterback-salaries-salary-cap-kirk-cousins-free-agency

Read about halfway down on the 2nd link