Do you think the team regrets Murray leaving

[Jstopper]

Going 4-12 due to losing our starting QB points to how deep the problems are with this team. Other teams lost their starting QB for parts of last season and still made the playoffs. Denver lost Manning for 7 games and still won the SB. There's no excuse for going 4-12 using 2 veteran QBs that had won more than 35 games between them. As soon as we let go of Weeden he helped the Texans to a couple of important wins that got them in the playoffs. If we had a consistent running game it would have taken some of the pressure off our QBs. While Romo was still in the lineup he had pressure on him due to the lack of a consistent running game.

Okay kj. You can keep pretending our running game wasn't good if you want to. Reality is the opposite but okay.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Our #4 NFL rusher last season had 8 games where he averaged under 4.0 a carry and contributed to the Cowboys being the worst team in the league on 3rd and 1 as of the second week in Dec. Our #4 rusher was only the #4 rusher due to the production he had late in the season in games that meant nothing to our season because we were done. Some of the teams we played were either done or resting players for the playoffs like Washington in the season finale. Our running game was never as good and the team was never as good even with Dez and Romo for a full season until Murray stayed healthy and played a full 16 games.

Our #4 rusher only scored 3 TD's last season despite a career high in carries. McFadden produced more yards and TD's for the Raiders in 2010 playing behind a much lesser OL than he had last season. An elite runner would have had 1500+ yards behind our OL and double digit TD's despite the loss of Romo and Dez. Murray was special in 2014 which is why we had such a surprising season. If McFadden was getting it done you wouldn't see some mocks having the Cowboys taking Elliott. There would be no talk about taking an RB #4 overall if McFadden was the answer.

I couldn't disagree more with this if I tried. First, McFadden is not the answer, not long term anyway, which is why you see Elliott in Mock drafts, which I am on record saying drafting any RB that high would be a huge waste of a pick. We don't need an Elliott. An Average back like McFadden or 29 had pretty good success when everyone was healthy so no need to waste resources. There are many reasons why the running game was better in 2014, not just 29. Again he is very average RB, as demonstrated with his production last year. Having a defense that didn't rank as one of the worst in History helped the 2014 team has much if not more than 29 did . Romo and Dez playing at a high level helped, the OL becoming a force helped.. etc. You can cherry pick all the stats you want but the FO let him walk and they were right to do so. If any one has regrets over that decision it's 29.

 

[KJJ]

Okay kj. You can keep pretending our running game wasn't good if you want to. Reality is the opposite but okay.

Our running game wasn't consistent and it wasn't leading to points/TD's. McFadden had a Julius Jones 2006 type season and he was running behind a FAR better OL. We had over 400 fewer rushing yards in 2015 than we had in 2014 and had 8 fewer rushing TD's that put pressure on our QBs including Romo. If the running game was good why is there talk about drafting Elliott #4 overall?

Wouldn't you like to see what a young, more gifted runner could do behind our talented OL or do you think what McFadden produced last season was good enough? The reality is a more gifted runner would have produced a lot more yards and TD's than what we had last season which is why some have the Cowboys taking Elliott.

 

[KJJ]

I couldn't disagree more with this if I tried. First, McFadden is not the answer, not long term anyway, which is why you see Elliott in Mock drafts, which I am on record saying drafting any RB that high would be a huge waste of a pick. We don't need an Elliott. An Average back like McFadden or 29 had pretty good success when everyone was healthy so no need to waste resources. There are many reasons why the running game was better in 2014, not just 29. Again he is very average RB, as demonstrated with his production last year. Having a defense that didn't rank as one of the worst in History helped the 2014 team has much if not more than 29 did . Romo and Dez playing at a high level helped, the OL becoming a force helped.. etc. You can cherry pick all the stats you want but the FO let him walk and they were right to do so. If any one has regrets over that decision it's 29.

You couldn't be more wrong Murray was NOT an very average RB. He showed great potential prior to 2014 but injuries were cutting his seasons short. He broke 2 of Emmitt's franchise rushing records in only 4 seasons. His rookie year behind a TRANSITIONING OL he produced a 253 yard game and had just over 600 yards in 4 games until his season was cut short due to an injury. In 2013 behind a still transitioning OL he had more rushing yards and 6 more rushing TD's than McFadden had last season and he did it in 14 games.

 

[DCowboyz]

Yes and I think Murray regrets it even more.. I mean I get it, he wanted to get paid before it was too late.. Unfortunately his career won't be the same, now in the Titans.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

You couldn't be more wrong Murray was NOT an very average RB. He showed great potential prior to 2014 but injuries were cutting his seasons short. He broke 2 of Emmitt's franchise rushing records in only 4 seasons. His rookie year behind a TRANSITIONING OL he produced a 253 yard game and had just over 600 yards in 4 games until his season was cut short due to an injury. In 2013 behind a still transitioning OL he had more rushing yards and 6 more rushing TD's than McFadden had last season and he did it in 14 games.

And he had the benefit of an elite QB for every one of his seasons. Again, he is nothing special. Our running game with him was nothing special until 2014, when the OL became a true dominant OL. And if you want to go he did it in only so many games, then if you factor in that McFadden only started 10 games and take his stats over the 16 game season, he would have rushed for 1742 yards at 4.5 avg per in 382 carries, give or take. So all this he only did this or that last year is hogwash and he woudl have done all that without anyone fearing our passing game. Now do I think McFadden is all world, no, not at all. But I think with a a great OL and an elite QB and WR, he will do just fine, just like 29 did.

 

[percyhoward]

Wouldn't you like to see what a young, more gifted runner could do behind our talented OL?

I'm sure we'll upgrade, just not at the expense of any actual positions of need.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

You couldn't be more wrong Murray was NOT an very average RB. He showed great potential prior to 2014 but injuries were cutting his seasons short. He broke 2 of Emmitt's franchise rushing records in only 4 seasons. His rookie year behind a TRANSITIONING OL he produced a 253 yard game and had just over 600 yards in 4 games until his season was cut short due to an injury. In 2013 behind a still transitioning OL he had more rushing yards and 6 more rushing TD's than McFadden had last season and he did it in 14 games.

Let me also say, I think we will draft a RB and I think we should draft one as well. We need a rb for the future. And it would be the same if 29 was still here, we would need to upgrade. I just don't think we need or want to draft one before Round 3. I would use the comp round 4 pick and pick the best RB on the board at that time.

 

[plasticman]

Again....

DeMarcus Murray did not end up with the Eaglea because he chose money over the possibility of building on his and the Cowboys success.

DeMarco Murray was practically ran our of town. He got lowballed with an absolute insult of a contract. The guy who broke two records held by Hall of Famers. The first guy since Emmitt with back to back 1000 yard seasons. The guy who broke a record in his very first start. The 3rd leading receiver in the 4 years here. The guy that practically raised our elite O-line. That guy got totally disrespected.

He didnt get offered close to serious money by the Cowboys until they began to realize just how popular he was with other team's management. By then it was too late. How do you erase 6 months of rhetoric describing just how unimportant Murray was.

Murray was the catalyst. He was the swagger. He was balance. The defense's best friend.

With Murray you get extras, like the #1 rated passer in the league. Without him, you get Matt Cassel.

Pur Murray in the backfield and you never get defenders converging on the leader of a one dimensional attack. The #1 WR cannot be double teamed on a consistant basis.

Who cares that the Eagles misused him, that he had to learn how to run with a different pack? You think he is finished? .tje Titans are not goinf to screw around. They have two #1 picks on the O-line, rest assured, a third after thia draft. Hus job is to deviate a defense's focus away from Mariota.

DeMarcovMurray was the ultimate team player, even told us he didnt want to break the Cowboys bank, smart enough to realize something special had been built. The Cowboys franchised the guy who couldnt recognize what was at stake. All this team ever needed to do was show Murray some respect. A 7 million per year figure during the previous regular season would have been a sacrifice on his part but it would have indicated respect. He would have accepted it. The offer should have been made the week after he broke Jim Brown's 50 year old record.

Instead, we got 6 weeks of Klepto Joe, a guy who couldnt find the carcass, never mind leaving any meat on the bone.

McFadden was a pleasant surprise later. Let us hope we are treated to another surprise, a healthy full season of McFadden.

w first

 

[KJJ]

I'm sure we'll upgrade, just not at the expense of any actual positions of need.

We may have already upgraded with Morris.

 

[Echo9]

Hear me out first....isn't it true that the coaches and players didn't want Murray to leave? even in the last days before Murray's departure he was with Romo and Garrett at a hockey game or something?

Also didn't Murray buy a billboard thanking the fans of Dallas for the times he was here?

and lastly after this past season, weren't we involved in trade discussions with Murray before he ultimately went to Tennessee?

This could be a telling sign for the upcoming draft, that the team did regret his departure.

bash away...

It depends on how you look at it. Do they wish Murray would have stayed and accepted the offer they gave him? Sure. If they could go back and give him the deal he got from Philly, do they wish they had? Nope.

So regret? no.

 

[JoeKing]

The FO doesn't regret their decision one bit. Maybe some of the players do but the decision makers had a max price they were willing to pay for that position and he wanted more. No meeting of the minds, no agreement, no contract, bye bye. There's no arguing about how good of a teammate he was... except that time he was getting on the team plane and decided then that he couldn't play that week.

 

[percyhoward]

We may have already upgraded with Morris.

I'll be very surprised if we don't draft a RB.

 

[KJJ]

I'll be very surprised if we don't draft a RB.

I would be surprised too but I do feel we may have an upgrade in Morris. Dunbar's future is up in the air rehabbing a serious injury and McFadden may not be around another year or two so we still need to draft a back. I want to pair a great runner with this OL.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Hear me out first....isn't it true that the coaches and players didn't want Murray to leave? even in the last days before Murray's departure he was with Romo and Garrett at a hockey game or something?

Also didn't Murray buy a billboard thanking the fans of Dallas for the times he was here?

and lastly after this past season, weren't we involved in trade discussions with Murray before he ultimately went to Tennessee?

This could be a telling sign for the upcoming draft, that the team did regret his departure.

bash away...

I forgot to give you a like for starting this discussion.

Drafting Elliott might help people forget about Bill Murray.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Did nobody actually watch Murray last year? People keep talking like we would have gotten a repeat of 2014 Murray if we'd kept him (at a much higher price).

Yeah, bad situation, yadda yadda, but he simply wasn't the same guy. The big concern among the don't-sign-him crowd was the overwork in 2014 and how that would affect him in the future. Well, guess what, he was awful last year. Would he have been better on the Cowboys? Sure. Would he have been 2014 Murray, or anything like that guy? I seriously doubt it.

 

[Idgit]

Wait, Murray left? Why isn't anybody talking about this?

 

[Craig]

They probably did for a few months but there is no way they regret it after 2015 season. They were proven right.

 

[CF74]

Yes, cap casualty though...

 

[DandyDon52]

All the fans who say it was the OL, any back will do, murray wasnt worth the money,etc
evidently know more and are smarter than JG, and Romo, and the other players who
you know actually are on the field with murray, and actually know him!

The fans watch on tv and the jones boys watch from their box, but yet they know more and
can evaluate better than the ones actually out there playing.

The same fans also said that had we paid Murray we couldnt have signed Hardy, and having hardy
was worth more than having Murray.

Not signing Murray indirectly led to the Romo injury,and changes to the offensive plan, but that is ignored.

That all said, I blame Murray too, he should have taken what was offered and stayed here, then if he had another
good year he could ask for a raise, and probably made up the difference in $ he could have got endorsing
products.
Plus no state income tax here, and cheaper to live here than in other states,
So I blame him for making a hasty decision too.

Right now the cowboys dont have a feared Run game, like when murray was here, so it isnt the same,
it isnt about silly stats, no one game planned for McF or Randle last year.

Murray is gone, so now lets see who they draft if they do draft a RB.
Otherwise they may just go with the current backs, and they will be good, just nothing special.