Does anyone see a link between Andre Johnson and Roy?

[RainMan]

Feel free to merge this with another thread, but I thought it was kind of its own topic.

There's been a lot of talk, and rightfully so, that Roy has underperformed, despite being a good player and the face of the Lions. But he really reminds me a lot of Andre Johnson in terms of ability and production not matching the image you have of him.

I've thought for several years of Johnson as one of the league's best players. But check his stats -- I think he's never had more than about 7 TDs, with most of his seasons garnering 4, 5 and 6 TDs. He's never cracked 1,200 yards, and alternates seasons of 800 yards, 1,110 yards, 800 yards, etc.

I have a few Texan fan friends and they say he drops balls, as Roy has done.

I guess I'm posting this because it's not often you see a receiver put up 1,400 yards and 14 TDs on a bad team with a bad QB. The situation in Houston is almost as bad as Detroit, and I don't think it's any wonder neither receiver has put up consistently huge numbers despite the fact that, when you watch them, they look good.

 

[BigBoy63]

You are totally right, and the more and more you think about it they are on crappy teams cause they were picked high up in first rounds of the draft. So if they don't put up the numbers its not their performance its the performance of others.

 

[RCowboyFan]

Feel free to merge this with another thread, but I thought it was kind of its own topic.

There's been a lot of talk, and rightfully so, that Roy has underperformed, despite being a good player and the face of the Lions. But he really reminds me a lot of Andre Johnson in terms of ability and production not matching the image you have of him.

I've thought for several years of Johnson as one of the league's best players. But check his stats -- I think he's never had more than about 7 TDs, with most of his seasons garnering 4, 5 and 6 TDs. He's never cracked 1,200 yards, and alternates seasons of 800 yards, 1,110 yards, 800 yards, etc.

I have a few Texan fan friends and they say he drops balls, as Roy has done.

I guess I'm posting this because it's not often you see a receiver put up 1,400 yards and 14 TDs on a bad team with a bad QB. The situation in Houston is almost as bad as Detroit, and I don't think it's any wonder neither receiver has put up consistently huge numbers despite the fact that, when you watch them, they look good.

Thats because Andre Johnson has been injured way too often last two years or so. If not Andre Johnson is top 5 WR in the league period, at the very least.

This is coming from a guy, who didn't think he was all that great to be picked that high in draft, although, probably unfair since I only saw maybe 2-3 games in college of him.

But unfortunately for him he couln't stay healthy. And yeah in college I saw he had drop issues. Interestingly, Anquan Boldin wasn't a great at having great hands in College either, which is why I was so surprsied at his success in NFL.

Yep, Roy Williams can drop some balls, but he can also make spectacular plays. I think more comparison is of Braylon Edwards IMO to Roy.

 

[big dog cowboy]

They are both studs.

Andre Johnson:

2003 66-976-4
2004 79-1142-6
2005 63-688-2
2006 103-1147-5
2007 60-851-8

Roy Williams:

2004 54-817-8
2005 45-687-8
2006 82-1310-7
2007 63-836-5

 

[Boysboy]

Feel free to merge this with another thread, but I thought it was kind of its own topic.

There's been a lot of talk, and rightfully so, that Roy has underperformed, despite being a good player and the face of the Lions. But he really reminds me a lot of Andre Johnson in terms of ability and production not matching the image you have of him.

I've thought for several years of Johnson as one of the league's best players. But check his stats -- I think he's never had more than about 7 TDs, with most of his seasons garnering 4, 5 and 6 TDs. He's never cracked 1,200 yards, and alternates seasons of 800 yards, 1,110 yards, 800 yards, etc.

I have a few Texan fan friends and they say he drops balls, as Roy has done.

I guess I'm posting this because it's not often you see a receiver put up 1,400 yards and 14 TDs on a bad team with a bad QB. The situation in Houston is almost as bad as Detroit, and I don't think it's any wonder neither receiver has put up consistently huge numbers despite the fact that, when you watch them, they look good.

Overall-the morale in both Detroit and Houston is just PLAIN WRETCHED. Whether it's the owners, or even the city itself, regardless of who the player and what the position is, just being with those teams itself just makes anyone look horrible.

Like I said, I can't put a finger on it, but as much as Roy (supposedly)dropped balls in Detroit, the same can be said for OL consistently missing their blocks, LBs and DBs consistently making poor tackles, DL consistently being overweight slobs, coaches being complete idiots, etc, etc.

BTW-Shaun Rogers is having one heck of a year in Cleveland. He all but shed his "unmotivated, overweight, lazy*** slob" image he had in Detroit.

 

[RainMan]

Thats because Andre Johnson has been injured way too often last two years or so. If not Andre Johnson is top 5 WR in the league period, at the very least.

This is coming from a guy, who didn't think he was all that great to be picked that high in draft, although, probably unfair since I only saw maybe 2-3 games in college of him.

But unfortunately for him he couln't stay healthy. And yeah in college I saw he had drop issues. Interestingly, Anquan Boldin wasn't a great at having great hands in College either, which is why I was so surprsied at his success in NFL.

Yep, Roy Williams can drop some balls, but he can also make spectacular plays. I think more comparison is of Braylon Edwards IMO to Roy.

That's the thing, though.

Andre and Roy have both suffered injuries here and there.

Given that, here are the stats both average per every 16 games played:

Andre Johnson: 86 catches, 1,128 yards (13.1 average), 5.76 TDs
Roy Williams: 69 catches, 1,035 yards (15 average), 7.7 TDs

 

[RainMan]

They are both studs.

Andre Johnson:

2003 66-976-4
2004 79-1142-6
2005 63-688-2
2006 103-1147-5
2007 60-851-8

Roy Williams:

2004 54-817-8
2005 45-687-8
2006 82-1310-7
2007 63-836-5

Agreed. I think though that suddenly that Roy is coming here, it's becoming convenient for some nationally to knock his stats. "Oh, he's only made one Pro Bowl, cracked the 1,000 yard mark once, is barely better than their other WR busts, etc."

I think it's a minor miracle, and reflective of the talent of both these guys, that they are putting up the numbers they are/were in Detroit and Houston. I'd gladly have taken either, and now I did.

 

[Boysboy]

Agreed. I think though that suddenly that Roy is coming here, it's becoming convenient for some nationally to knock his stats. "Oh, he's only made one Pro Bowl, cracked the 1,000 yard mark once, is barely better than their other WR busts, etc."

I think it's a minor miracle, and reflective of the talent of both these guys, that they are putting up the numbers they are/were in Detroit and Houston. I'd gladly have taken either, and now I did.

If Roy had become an Eagle, then guess what? D-coordinators would shy away from spying Westbrook, Jackson would be playing in his most comfortable position(the slot), and they would have the luxury of moving Curtis around. All of a sudden-Reid's overrated pass-happy playbook would look Bill Walsh-esque.

That Philly writer who said how Roy isn't all that great is either a blind-homer, and idiot, or he was paid by Andy Reid to say that.

Yeah-Roy IS that good. VERY

 

[RainMan]

If Roy had become an Eagle, then guess what? D-coordinators would shy away from spying Westbrook, Jackson would be playing in his most comfortable position(the slot), and they would have the luxury of moving Curtis around. All of a sudden-Reid's overrated pass-happy playbook would look Bill Walsh-esque.

That Philly writer who said how Roy isn't all that great is either a blind-homer, and idiot, or he was paid by Andy Reid to say that.

Yeah-Roy IS that good. VERY

Totally agree. It creates all sorts of matchup problems when you add a big, athletically gifted, proven Pro Bowl player who can jump up and catch just about anything thrown his direction.

He's not Randy Moss, but you don't have to be Moss to be a tremendous wideout.

 

[ajk23az]

Andre is just like TO but runs better routes IMO. I would rather have Andre then Roy but I am very happy with Roy.

 

[Plumfool]

TO will make him better

 

[Boysboy]

Totally agree. It creates all sorts of matchup problems when you add a big, athletically gifted, proven Pro Bowl player who can jump up and catch just about anything thrown his direction.

He's not Randy Moss, but you don't have to be Moss to be a tremendous wideout.

Remember all these Eagles fans last offseason that were SO confident that they'd be landing either him, Fitz, or Boldin? They were rubbing it in our faces and saying things like like "HAHA-get ready to cry!".:laugh1:

 

[CrazyCowboy]

good post.....yes, Williams can be just that good

 

[zeroburrito]

i get a lot of texans games. andre johnson is a beast. i always thought of him as a top 5 wr.

 

[CATCH17]

I love Andre Johnson. I think he is the most underrated receiver in the league.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Roy having good QB play and all the help around him that he's going to have is going to show exactly how talented he is when he starts putting up huge numbers for us.

 

[es22]

Andre is just like TO but runs better routes IMO. I would rather have Andre then Roy but I am very happy with Roy.

Johnson is a beast. If he was on an offence with a decent QB and RB, he would be putting up crazy numbers a la Moss. Andre had the advantage of being on a 'pro' team at the U.

Roy is an above average player who relies more on speed and finesse who played on a horrible team. Even though he wont put monster numbers with all our weapons, he will be a great 1A reciever like the Colts have.

As long as we stay healthy at the end of the season, I see big things for this team.

 

[jobberone]

I think Johnson is better than RWR. But the difference is not that great. If Johnson had a QB even Kitna then he'd be all world IMO. Texas has not had a decent OL and therefore no QB was going to do well. They're a better team and suddenly Johnson is even better.

Williams should also blossom opposite TO along with Witten. Romo should make them all blossom. Assuming he's playing and getting the protection he should.

 

[MONT17]

Ask Bucs fans what Cowboy fans said about Joey. Joey was a prime example of a productive WR on a poor team! I see ROY with a lot of catches this year and turning this O into a Montana/Rice type O!

 

[AKATheRake]

Feel free to merge this with another thread, but I thought it was kind of its own topic.

There's been a lot of talk, and rightfully so, that Roy has underperformed, despite being a good player and the face of the Lions. But he really reminds me a lot of Andre Johnson in terms of ability and production not matching the image you have of him.

I've thought for several years of Johnson as one of the league's best players. But check his stats -- I think he's never had more than about 7 TDs, with most of his seasons garnering 4, 5 and 6 TDs. He's never cracked 1,200 yards, and alternates seasons of 800 yards, 1,110 yards, 800 yards, etc.

I have a few Texan fan friends and they say he drops balls, as Roy has done.

I guess I'm posting this because it's not often you see a receiver put up 1,400 yards and 14 TDs on a bad team with a bad QB. The situation in Houston is almost as bad as Detroit, and I don't think it's any wonder neither receiver has put up consistently huge numbers despite the fact that, when you watch them, they look good.

All of this I agree with. So far any of yours posts that I have read I agree with. You're one of the more knowledgeable and insightful fans I see post on here. Just my opinion and to let you know, lol!