Does Garrett still get the credit for building the team?

[khiladi]

I'm sure Garrett had no influence in the drafting of Kevin Ogletree....

 

[Doomsay]

he is great

Define great.

 

[cml750]

"Build" in what sense? I don't think he's heavily involved in player acquisition but i could be wrong. Jerry, Stephen and Will McClay are the dominant voices in that area.

Well during the 8 - 8 seasons and last year there were many people giving him credit for building the roster and pointed to that as a huge positive. I am not seeing people say that anymore. Does he actually get that credit? I do not know. Is it just that so many have soured on him as a coach that they now do not give him the credit?

 

[Alexander]

I'm sure Garrett had no influence in the drafting of Kevin Ogletree....

Ogletree wasn't drafted.

 

[Junglist]

he is great

When will he show it?

 

[khiladi]

Ogletree wasn't drafted.

Forgot, but it gives more defense to the the main point being, he was here and we tried forcing him the ball as a third receiver because he was John Garrett's pet project from VA..

The guy was seeing the field way more than he should of and we can't even get reps for guys like Harris and Butler now..

 

[Miller]

I actually think we have a good team on paper. Sure we need a better backup QB and better safeties but this is not a 4- 9 team on paper even with a bad QB.So many credited Garrett for building the team the last four years, does he still get the credit now that more people have soured on him? Personally, I do not know whether to credit him or not but I do believe he played a part in building this team. Would he serve the team better in a front office position rather than on the sidelines? Would he even accept such a move?

1) I'm not just souring on him. Soured on him when he was in training making horrible mistakes

2) Not sure he built the roster. I think Stephen may have had more to do than JG. Maybe JG in his ear. Issue I have is if JG did say "let's go this direction" then why was he sold on Weeden for 2 years? He was a QB coach.

3) I'd rather have him anywhere but coaching. I have a feeling that is Jerry's out and to keep his friendship with the Garrett clan

4) If I take his team building as true, I'm not sure he did a great job. Because this year has shown that there are many more issues with this team that don't involve Romo.

 

[jazzcat22]

Garrett never built anything. The notion was foolish then as it is now. Garrett simply doesnt handle the personnel. That is one of the big problems here. If you are the head coach and you arent in Jerrys office every day complaining about how bad Weedon stinks then you are all but useless.

You are just simply out right wrong.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Well during the 8 - 8 seasons and last year there were many people giving him credit for building the roster and pointed to that as a huge positive. I am not seeing people say that anymore. Does he actually get that credit? I do not know. Is it just that so many have soured on him as a coach that they now do not give him the credit?

Not sure. I don't believe he's ever had much to do with assembling the roster, good or bad.

 

[gimmesix]

I actually think we have a good team on paper. Sure we need a better backup QB and better safeties but this is not a 4- 9 team on paper even with a bad QB.So many credited Garrett for building the team the last four years, does he still get the credit now that more people have soured on him? Personally, I do not know whether to credit him or not but I do believe he played a part in building this team. Would he serve the team better in a front office position rather than on the sidelines? Would he even accept such a move?

I don't understand why we need to assign credit or blame. If the draft had fallen differently, some picks would have been better and some worse. Some decisions to keep players have worked out and some haven't. Some decisions to release players have worked out and some haven't.

 

[Floatyworm]

Honestly...You could put a fathead in Garrett's place on draft day...and you wouldn't know the difference. That's how much input he has had in building this team.

 

[jazzcat22]

Garrett has had probably the biggest influence on the roster turnaround more than any other person.
Jerry has even said that Jason was a big part of this...yes...process...

Jason was the guy who started getting rid of the aging out of shape overpaid players not producing.
how many Ol and others had people complained about for years. Then Jason started getting rid of them. Yes, the team took salary cap hits. But look at the OL now for example. If Jason didn't get rid of those old under achieving OL, we would not have the OL we have now.
Regardless if one thinks who brought them in. as it was a team deal or not. but Jason started rebuilding the team. And that takes a good 3 years to do in most cases.

2 injury depleted season, and now a third without Romo...

 

[jwitten82]

You wanna see teams that were really were rebuilt, and wasnt handed a franchise qb, elite WR and TE? Go look at Seattle and the Panthers

 

[cml750]

Garrett has had probably the biggest influence on the roster turnaround more than any other person.
Jerry has even said that Jason was a big part of this...yes...process...

Jason was the guy who started getting rid of the aging out of shape overpaid players not producing.
how many Ol and others had people complained about for years. Then Jason started getting rid of them. Yes, the team took salary cap hits. But look at the OL now for example. If Jason didn't get rid of those old under achieving OL, we would not have the OL we have now.
Regardless if one thinks who brought them in. as it was a team deal or not. but Jason started rebuilding the team. And that takes a good 3 years to do in most cases.

2 injury depleted season, and now a third without Romo...

So you give him most of the credit. I admit I do not know and also admit my dislike for him as coach sometimes clouds my judgement on this issue. So I assume you think he would do good in the front office?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I actually think we have a good team on paper. Sure we need a better backup QB and better safeties but this is not a 4- 9 team on paper even with a bad QB.So many credited Garrett for building the team the last four years, does he still get the credit now that more people have soured on him? Personally, I do not know whether to credit him or not but I do believe he played a part in building this team. Would he serve the team better in a front office position rather than on the sidelines? Would he even accept such a move?

I think just like with any sort of blame that gets thrown his way you have to give credit where it's due as well.

He is part of putting some pieces in place for this team that are good pieces to work with. The O-line being built up, Dez (Obviously he was only part of this process as the OC not as the HC), etc. They've had some good, solid, draft picks and so he deserves credit for his part in doing those things.

The problem with Garrett is he simply can not coach. Or at least it doesn't appear that he can. He should have been able to help find ways to game plan, and coach his team, to a few victories without Romo. There were winnable games in there and they simply didn't get done. That's on your HC, as much as anyone else.

 

[cml750]

I think just like with any sort of blame that gets thrown his way you have to give credit where it's due as well.

He is part of putting some pieces in place for this team that are good pieces to work with. The O-line being built up, Dez, etc. They've had some good, solid, draft picks and so he deserves credit for his part in doing those things.

The problem with Garrett is he simply can not coach. Or at least it doesn't appear that he can. He should have been able to help find ways to game plan, and coach his team, to a few victories without Romo. There were winnable games in there and they simply didn't get done. That's on your HC, as much as anyone else.

Good post!

 

[cml750]

1) I'm not just souring on him. Soured on him when he was in training making horrible mistakes

2) Not sure he built the roster. I think Stephen may have had more to do than JG. Maybe JG in his ear. Issue I have is if JG did say "let's go this direction" then why was he sold on Weeden for 2 years? He was a QB coach.

3) I'd rather have him anywhere but coaching. I have a feeling that is Jerry's out and to keep his friendship with the Garrett clan

4) If I take his team building as true, I'm not sure he did a great job. Because this year has shown that there are many more issues with this team that don't involve Romo.

Can't argue with anything you said!

 

[Miller]

Garrett has had probably the biggest influence on the roster turnaround more than any other person.
Jerry has even said that Jason was a big part of this...yes...process...

Jason was the guy who started getting rid of the aging out of shape overpaid players not producing.
how many Ol and others had people complained about for years. Then Jason started getting rid of them. Yes, the team took salary cap hits. But look at the OL now for example. If Jason didn't get rid of those old under achieving OL, we would not have the OL we have now.
Regardless if one thinks who brought them in. as it was a team deal or not. but Jason started rebuilding the team. And that takes a good 3 years to do in most cases.

2 injury depleted season, and now a third without Romo...

Come on! This is what frustrates me because it is just one big excuse. It doesn't take 3 years or more to rebuild. The Jets, our next opponent, were 4-12 last year. 8-8 the year before. They are now 8-5 under a rookie head coach with Fitzpatrick at QB. This happens yearly. It's called parity. There isn't a process. The Patriots, Packers and many other teams have as many, if not more injuries over the years and win. Also, JG took over a team a year removed from having a bye in the playoffs and being one of the tops in the division. It wasn't like this was a talent black hole. We had guys on D in their prime. Under your theory the only way, in todays NFL, to judge a team, is if they have a perfect season with no injuries. That's called unrealistic as every team gets them yearly and you learn to adjust. We are learning that the roster building wasn't as good as advertised because our depth at many positions stunk. Also, maybe the OL is good but not the greatest ever without Murray and Romo. I think JG had some input with Stephen. But that is about it. My issue isn't the team as much as coaching the team. And if you do give him credit then he failed royally at the most important spot...backing up an aging and hurt QB.

 

[jazzcat22]

So you give him most of the credit. I admit I do not know and also admit my dislike for him as coach sometimes clouds my judgement on this issue. So I assume you think he would do good in the front office?

I would not say giving him most of the credit. But he has a bigger influence than people want to admit. Maybe he just brought to light to open some eyes about the state of the team / players at the time.
There are still many that actually believe Jerry still calls the plays.
I have no thoughts on if he would make a better FO person than a coach. As many times winning cures all. Get into the SB, and chances are, some Jerry "non fans" would be happy with him. Maybe, LOL.

I am sure there were fans wanting Jimmy fired after the 1-15 season as well. People wanted Landry gone after his first 5 years too.

 

[jazzcat22]

Come on! This is what frustrates me because it is just one big excuse. It doesn't take 3 years or more to rebuild. The Jets, our next opponent, were 4-12 last year. 8-8 the year before. They are now 8-5 under a rookie head coach with Fitzpatrick at QB. This happens yearly. It's called parity. There isn't a process. The Patriots, Packers and many other teams have as many, if not more injuries over the years and win. Also, JG took over a team a year removed from having a bye in the playoffs and being one of the tops in the division. It wasn't like this was a talent black hole. We had guys on D in their prime. Under your theory the only way, in todays NFL, to judge a team, is if they have a perfect season with no injuries. That's called unrealistic as every team gets them yearly and you learn to adjust. We are learning that the roster building wasn't as good as advertised because our depth at many positions stunk. Also, maybe the OL is good but not the greatest ever without Murray and Romo. I think JG had some input with Stephen. But that is about it. My issue isn't the team as much as coaching the team. And if you do give him credit then he failed royally at the most important spot...backing up an aging and hurt QB.

Denver had a rookie head coach when they went to the SB in 77, and got whipped by the Cowboys.
sometimes it happens, they inherit a good team, more so than people think.
Injuries happen and teams go on, but let those teams you mentioned lose their QB AND WR AND RB...
Imagine GB without Nelson, Lacey, Rodgers. Do you honestly think McCarthy is that great of a coach they would be leading their division.

And you are wrong on my theory, as I posted no theory. Where did you come up with that? And I am not unrealistic, it is the truth.
When you have 18 different starters for your DL alone in one season, playing with guys literally off the street. Bring 3 in on tuesday, and 3 new starters on Sunday. But yet to be one game away from the playoffs.