Does La'el Collins Deserve a Raise?

[Doomsday101]

Yes, but fans try too hard to judge the effect on the cap.

Don't pay Dez that much, it will hurt the salary cap. We're doomed if Romo is done because of all of his dead money. Etc.

At one point in time, when the cap was still new, there was reason to worry about the cap's effect on our team because Dallas clearly didn't know how to work it. I don't believe that's the case anymore and instead, we're just fretting over players getting more than we think they should get.

I think fans are heavily opinionated on many things with NFL organizations and players. My own view is I think paying out before you need to is a mistake. We see these guys getting the money then turning around and not living up to it. I think Collins needs to continue developing and he will end up getting his money as of now I think the Cowboys took a chance on a guy others were unwilling to do and got a player with very good potential at a low cost to me that bodes well for the entire team

 

[DC Cowboy]

The man will make $533,000 next year. He was royally screwed during the draft. He proved his worth. You think Jerry rips up the contract and sweetens the pot. Or you think he's getting $100,000 handshakes...

He will get a bonus for time played, I forgot what they call it but it was part of the new CBA.

 

[Bleu Star]

He already got it. His contract far exceeds what most undrafted free agents get.

 

[Risen Star]

Yes, but fans try too hard to judge the effect on the cap.

Don't pay Dez that much, it will hurt the salary cap. We're doomed if Romo is done because of all of his dead money. Etc.

At one point in time, when the cap was still new, there was reason to worry about the cap's effect on our team because Dallas clearly didn't know how to work it. I don't believe that's the case anymore and instead, we're just fretting over players getting more than we think they should get.

This guy apparently slept through the many FA periods we had to sit out.

 

[gimmesix]

This guy apparently slept through the many FA periods we had to sit out.

Show me any recent FA period where Dallas had to sit out. The Cowboys have chosen at times not to move redo contracts to move money around, but they have not had to sit out FA.

Take, for instance, 2011. Fans thought that year that Dallas wouldn't be able to make any big moves because they were in salary cap "hell." Then, the news came out that the Cowboys were after high-priced Nnamdi Asomugha and almost landed him before Philly swooped in (thankfully).

Take also for example what Stephen Jones says in my signature. When Dallas doesn't make FA moves, it's because the front office decides the cost isn't worth the reward/risk. Yes, it helps our cap not to push money into the future, but if the team finds a player it feels is worth the money, the cap is set up to be managed in a way to absorb those situations.

Fans worrying about the cap isn't going to make one bit of difference about how Dallas chooses to spend its money and since it isn't coming out of your pocket, why worry about it?

 

[Doomsday101]

Show me any recent FA period where Dallas had to sit out. The Cowboys have chosen at times not to move redo contracts to move money around, but they have not had to sit out FA.

Take, for instance, 2011. Fans thought that year that Dallas wouldn't be able to make any big moves because they were in salary cap "hell." Then, the news came out that the Cowboys were after high-priced Nnamdi Asomugha and almost landed him before Philly swooped in (thankfully).

Take also for example what Stephen Jones says in my signature. When Dallas doesn't make FA moves, it's because the front office decides the cost isn't worth the reward/risk. Yes, it helps our cap not to push money into the future, but if the team finds a player it feels is worth the money, the cap is set up to be managed in a way to absorb those situations.

Fans worrying about the cap isn't going to make one bit of difference about how Dallas chooses to spend its money and since it isn't coming out of your pocket, why worry about it?

how about the Cowboys stop spending based on 1 year production and actually let a guy develop and earn his money. As soon as a player has a good year fans holler he needs a pay raise and as soon as he gets it and his production falls the same fans holler about how stupid Jones is in overpaying the guy. Collins will have a chance to make more money but I did not see teams like the seahawks rushing to pay Wilson big money until they had to in the meantime they got great production at a low cost to them helping to free up more money. While the cap can be manipulated it does not mean their is an endless pot of money teams use.

 

[gimmesix]

I think fans are heavily opinionated on many things with NFL organizations and players. My own view is I think paying out before you need to is a mistake. We see these guys getting the money then turning around and not living up to it. I think Collins needs to continue developing and he will end up getting his money as of now I think the Cowboys took a chance on a guy others were unwilling to do and got a player with very good potential at a low cost to me that bodes well for the entire team

I don't see billionaire owners who got that way by loving money a lot paying out when they don't think that they have to. There are deals the Cowboys didn't make because they weighed the cost against production, health, age, etc., and decided the risk vs. reward wasn't worth it. And there's other deals Dallas made thinking it was was getting a good deal that have turned out poorly. That happens with every team.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't see billionaire owners who got that way by loving money a lot paying out when they don't think that they have to. There are deals the Cowboys didn't make because they weighed the cost against production, health, age, etc., and decided the risk vs. reward wasn't worth it. And there's other deals Dallas made thinking it was was getting a good deal that have turned out poorly. That happens with every team.

and what is it to you what a player is paid, you seem fine spending the team money that is not yours. It does have an affect it can change what the team may do with another player when giving a bigger contract to a player it also has a domino effect when you do this and the next guy says hey you paid him why not me. I would just as soon the Cowboys not do that and I don't see anyone else doing it

 

[gimmesix]

how about the Cowboys stop spending based on 1 year production and actually let a guy develop and earn his money. As soon as a player has a good year fans holler he needs a pay raise and as soon as he gets it and his production falls the same fans holler about how stupid Jones is in overpaying the guy. Collins will have a chance to make more money but I did not see teams like the seahawks rushing to pay Wilson big money until they had to in the meantime they got great production at a low cost to them helping to free up more money. While the cap can be manipulated it does not mean their is an endless pot of money teams use.

I think we oversimplify the spending. Every situation is different. Sometimes you can get a player at a lower cost by redoing his contract early. That can pay dividends if the player lives up to that production level. Other times, the player is going to cost a lot anyway, so it's good to wait.

I don't sweat over it one way or the other because A) there's nothing I can do about how the Joneses decide to spend their money and B) it isn't my money.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think we oversimplify the spending. Every situation is different. Sometimes you can get a player at a lower cost by redoing his contract early. That can pay dividends if the player lives up to that production level. Other times, the player is going to cost a lot anyway, so it's good to wait.

I don't sweat over it one way or the other because A) there's nothing I can do about how the Joneses decide to spend their money and B) it isn't my money.

True not my money either but teams do tend to redo contracts within a year or the contract being completed unless it is a move made to free up cap space then again all that does it push money down the road. Collins contract is over in 2018 and if he continues to develop he will get his opportunity to make more, I see no reason at all for the Cowboys to rush the process

 

[gimmesix]

and what is it to you what a player is paid, you seem fine spending the team money that is not yours. It does have an affect it can change what the team may do with another player when giving a bigger contract to a player it also has a domino effect when you do this and the next guy says hey you paid him why not me. I would just as soon the Cowboys not do that and I don't see anyone else doing it

It isn't anything to me what a player is paid. I wouldn't give Collins a raise because I don't think it's smart business, and I don't think the Joneses will either (not sure if they are even allowed to at this point). They will likely redo the contract as soon as possible if they believe they can strike a better deal with Collins at that point in time.

And yes, I am fine with the team spending its money. If it goes big in FA, I'm not going to gripe over what implications that has on future caps because I don't know what effect it will have on future caps. I'm going to look at what effects it can have on the team now.

 

[gimmesix]

True not my money either but teams do tend to redo contracts within a year or the contract being completed unless it is a move made to free up cap space then again all that does it push money down the road. Collins contract is over in 2018 and if he continues to develop he will get his opportunity to make more, I see no reason at all for the Cowboys to rush the process

I don't think we're disagreeing on Collins. Maybe on our philosophies concerning the cap. I just don't sweat it.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't think we're disagreeing on Collins. Maybe on our philosophies concerning the cap. I just don't sweat it.

I agree. I will say a team like the Cards are sitting much prettier, they are contending and have 23 million in cap space for next year. it is a lot easier being aggressive when you have more to work with as opposed to redoing contracts so you can fit 1 guy in.

 

[Chuck 54]

Why in the world would anyone give Collins a raise over the contract he just signed less than 10 months ago?
He flashes dominance in the run game, but it's not on a consistent basis. He struggled in pass protection. He still has lots to learn.

If an undrafted RB came in and signed a 3-4 year deal, would you give him a raise just because he rushed for 1,000 yards his rookie year?
The whole discussion is ridiculous. You don't even think about resigning anyone until the summer before his deal is up or to save money on the cap.

 

[kevm3]

He arguably looked the best out of all the rookies. Thank God Jerry isn't a penny pincher. I'm sure he is giving Lael a bit of extra money because he knows Lael was done wrong with his whole situation.

 

[Nightman]

Why in the world would anyone give Collins a raise over the contract he just signed less than 10 months ago?
He flashes dominance in the run game, but it's not on a consistent basis. He struggled in pass protection. He still has lots to learn.

If an undrafted RB came in and signed a 3-4 year deal, would you give him a raise just because he rushed for 1,000 yards his rookie year?
The whole discussion is ridiculous. You don't even think about resigning anyone until the summer before his deal is up or to save money on the cap.

Collins is unique because of his pre-draft circumstances.

He literally lost 10m because his ex-GF got murdered. That is a double or triple whammy.

If DAL thinks giving him a raise will keep him in DAL long term they should think about it and they may have even promised him that to sign him in the first place.

DAL had no problem taking advantage of the situation so giving some back is not a sign of weakness.

 

[Chuck 54]

Giving him a raise will make no difference.
The summer before his deal is up, you give him a new contract then so that he pockets the money with no risk of injury in the final year of the original deal. No matter what you do now, if a guy hits free agency, he doesn't consider how kind people have been to him...that's why they have agents. They follow the money...period.

He didn't make the pro bowl; He didn't make the all rookie team; He had a few highlight blocks and was solid. You don't give him a raise less than a year into his career. Try finding even one player who was given a raise less than a year from signing any rookie contract. He could have been drafted, but he said he wouldn't play for anyone who drafted him after the 2nd day...case closed. We took advantage of the situation? The kid could have signed anywhere in the NFL.....the only guys who get taken advantage of are the actual draft picks.

 

[Vinnie2u]

I feel that the salary cap money is the players money.. Any money not spent should be split among players on that team. Teams should not be allowed to carry 20 million dollars til the next year.

 

[rpntex]

Didn't Collins only sign a three-year deal? Since he was an undrafted free-agent, he's not bound to the minimum four years other draft choices are. What's more, his three years or fully guaranteed.

With that contract, he's going to get his second contract one year earlier than most draft choices, and potentially, two years earlier than a first rounder would get. He's going to get his "raise" well before he would have, had he been drafted.

 

[Nightman]

He signed a 3 year deal for 1.6m but it was fully guaranteed. But he is still controlled by the RFA designation for year 4.

As an UDFA he can get a new contract after two years compared to three years with drafted players. There is nothing that would force DAL to that though.