Don't focus on Dollar amount, focus on Percentage for Contracts

[Rockport]

I know it’s not happening.

But my opinion is the Cowboys are handling this incorrectly.

Of course you do. You say that about anything the Cowboys do. Who you trying to fool, yourself?

 

[big dog cowboy]

The salary cap bubble can’t keep expanding. Ratings are going down.

It will keep expanding because the NFL revenue keeps expanding. The NFL completely dominates the ratings. Even if it has gone down some.

NFL revenue:
2015 - 12.2B
2016 - 13.2B
2017 - 13.7B

Goodell said he expects it to be $25B by 2027 and it's on track to reach it.

 

[cern]

Every year talented players are released solely based on their cap hits. I would say the annual cap increase can't keep up with escalating salaries.

 

[Flamma]

I think it's natural to focus on how much money a player gets and judge the contract on that.
It is better to focus on the percentage of the Cap the dollars take up instead of the dollar amount.
Many are concerned about Dak being overpaid and think that $30 million is way too high for him, which may be a valid argument.
But if he does get that, which is likely because that is the going rate for starting QB's, then the fact that he may be "Overpaid" is irrelevant because while the dollar amount may be staggering, the percentage of cap space it consumes should be the focus. The cap will keep going up $10+ million a year so the percentage impact may lessen each year.

Right now I am not giving you my opinion of Dak, just focus on the bold for a moment. Not all, but for many the argument is not that they think it's too much, it's that they don't believe Dak is in that category to begin with.

Before the Dolphins signed Rosen they were going into this season with Ryan Fitzpatrick. They just signed him to a two year deal to be their starter. He may still be, but that's besides the point. Did they sign him to a 60 million dollar contract because that's the going rate? No they did not, not even close. People simply don't think Dak is at the level to be paid like top quarterbacks. Also, as a business, you try not to throw money away for no reason. Consider how many teams need a starting QB right now that would pay Dak 30M a year if we don't. Supply and demand, and the demand isn't there.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I think it's natural to focus on how much money a player gets and judge the contract on that.
It is better to focus on the percentage of the Cap the dollars take up instead of the dollar amount.
Many are concerned about Dak being overpaid and think that $30 million is way too high for him, which may be a valid argument.
But if he does get that, which is likely because that is the going rate for starting QB's, then the fact that he may be "Overpaid" is irrelevant because while the dollar amount may be staggering, the percentage of cap space it consumes should be the focus. The cap will keep going up $10+ million a year so the percentage impact may lessen each year.

that may be true. but its also the market for QB. this is a QB league. QBs get paid, whether they are good, or not. and its not about the averages, but guaranteed money...just look at cousins. he got paid 84 million guaranteed.... and plus, there is no surplus of QBs in the league like the other positions. you can't work your way around it. do Dak will get paid. because there are no other options and its the market.

 

[Bullflop]

The pressures for franchises to permit the contractual average will always be a strong influence for teams to abide by it. Knowing Stephen Jones' inclination to keep Dallas' contractual generosity to a minimum should hopefully keep expenditures somewhat within reason. I'm hoping for a reasonably average QB contract to be forthcoming for Dak if they settle soon enough. That would likely be around $30 mil, I expect.

 

[plymkr]

I think it's natural to focus on how much money a player gets and judge the contract on that.
It is better to focus on the percentage of the Cap the dollars take up instead of the dollar amount.
Many are concerned about Dak being overpaid and think that $30 million is way too high for him, which may be a valid argument.
But if he does get that, which is likely because that is the going rate for starting QB's, then the fact that he may be "Overpaid" is irrelevant because while the dollar amount may be staggering, the percentage of cap space it consumes should be the focus. The cap will keep going up $10+ million a year so the percentage impact may lessen each year.

Good point

 

[Roadtrip635]

Too many focus on the Average Per Year and should focus more on the guaranteed money and how it's structured. We can push his biggest cap hit to year 3, giving us some space in Years 1 and 2, while allowing a couple years for the Cap to rise and QB salaries continue to rise, making it easier to absorb. In 3 years, it's not hard to believe new QB contracts will be signing in the $37-$40 million/year range, maybe more. It still gives us an out after Year 3 and minimal dead cap money spread over Years 4 and 5 , if necessary. If we don't need an out after Year 3, then the contract will look like a bargain compared to other newer contracts, much like people are looking at contracts signed 4-5 years ago.

 

[Hadenough]

But if he does get that, which is likely because that is the going rate for starting QB's

why pay top 4 money to a 15th ranked QB. you better look at what other QBs are making if you think 30 mil is the norm.
https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/

 

[Hadenough]

Interesting article on winning the SB with a high paid QB.
http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/front...lary-veteran-qb-hurt-your-super-bowl-chances/

 

[Jarv]

So per the OP, what is a good salary percentage of the total cap for a QB? Is it 5%, 10%?

Maybe 10% for a top 5 QB? More? Less? Is there a sliding scale for top 5, top 10, etc.?

Over the salary cap era it would be interesting to look back and see the average and mean percentage of the cap the superbowl teams QBs have had.

 

[Hadenough]

So per the OP, what is a good salary percentage of the total cap for a QB? Is it 5%, 10%?

Maybe 10% for a top 5 QB? More? Less? Is there a sliding scale for top 5, top 10, etc.?

Over the salary cap era it would be interesting to look back and see the average and mean percentage of the cap the superbowl teams QBs have had.

http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/front...lary-veteran-qb-hurt-your-super-bowl-chances/

only 1 QB of the last 12 SB winning QBs was over 12%

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

why pay top 4 money to a 15th ranked QB. you better look at what other QBs are making if you think 30 mil is the norm.
https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/

Within 2 years $30 million will be the norm for a top 12 QB. And the Cowboys are banking on Dak being a consistent top 12 guy. Given where he is currently, his age and his work ethic, I think they’re right.

 

[Kevinicus]

that may be true. but its also the market for QB. this is a QB league. QBs get paid, whether they are good, or not. and its not about the averages, but guaranteed money...just look at cousins. he got paid 84 million guaranteed.... and plus, there is no surplus of QBs in the league like the other positions. you can't work your way around it. do Dak will get paid. because there are no other options and its the market.

This is not accurate. It is absolutely foolish to overpay, especially for less than top end quality, when the market is inflated. That's being dumb just because everyone else is.

And also, the quantity is not as bare as people make it out to be. There are plenty of 'meh' quarterbacks out there. A lot of other teams play them until they can find someone better, and they don't pay them "market" value either.

 

[Rayman70]

I would LOVE to see the owners and players take like 1% each on each contract they do and put THAT into a healthcare fund...and at the next CBA...go ahead and include healthcare. Players want it and need it...and most of the owners do. Daks potential deal btw is nuts, but its supply and demand. Vet salaries MUST be fixed like rookie deals are. No business can survive using this model. Where does it end?

 

[Doomsay]

Play out his contract and then make a determination on what he’s worth.

No other team is going to enter a bidding war for his services next year, so there no need to lock Dak up to a ridiculous contract now - contrary to Jerry's old San Francisco gold miner allegory (in part, why we are stuck with Garrett).

 

[CB61]

I think it's natural to focus on how much money a player gets and judge the contract on that.
It is better to focus on the percentage of the Cap the dollars take up instead of the dollar amount.
Many are concerned about Dak being overpaid and think that $30 million is way too high for him, which may be a valid argument.
But if he does get that, which is likely because that is the going rate for starting QB's, then the fact that he may be "Overpaid" is irrelevant because while the dollar amount may be staggering, the percentage of cap space it consumes should be the focus. The cap will keep going up $10+ million a year so the percentage impact may lessen each year.

Very true but keep in mind that a new CBA will be coming couple years or not ?

 

[csirl]

We've being hearing for months that Dak is about to be signed etc. etc. At this stage the "news" is way beyond saturation point. Normally in these circumstances it is the players agent generating the publicity. Just because Daks agent is sending the team proposals, it doesnt mean that the team agrees with them or is even seriously negotiating.

We're now in June. Back in training camp next month. The teams focus will be on signing draft picks and filling out the TC roster.

Has it occurred to anyone that maybe Dak isnt being extended before next season?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

This is not accurate. It is absolutely foolish to overpay, especially for less than top end quality, when the market is inflated. That's being dumb just because everyone else is.

And also, the quantity is not as bare as people make it out to be. There are plenty of 'meh' quarterbacks out there. A lot of other teams play them until they can find someone better, and they don't pay them "market" value either.

I don't disagree. but Dak is not meh, he is middle of the pack. is he better and have a higher upside compared to these other meh QBs. I think he is..... you really can't win with a journeyman, meh QB. yes its been done, but its very very rare and a big gamble. there is a reason these QBs are journey men. so Dak is going to get paid, its how much guarantee he will get and how long they can stretch it and if things don't work out, what's our options?

 

[OmerV]

Regardless of whether you look at it as dollars or a % or the cap, the bottom line is looking at how much we have to spend now, how much we expect to have in the future, and our needs both now and in the future.