Don't pay Dez, Let him walk

[mahoneybill]

Dez is under-utilized but he still wins games for us and he also seems to be moving into a team leader mode. I would prefer to keep him and change our schemes, even if that requires jettisoning a few coaches (what else is new?).

Agree. He was the one who was encouraging the D to pick up their game. They did, but our O just couldn't get it going to offset the early lead, overcome the run game effect of the Eagles.

They scored when they had the ball, even though I think they lost TOP, and we didn't ... Game Over

 

[fifaguy]

Agree. He was the one who was encouraging the D to pick up their game. They did, but our O just couldn't get it going to offset the early lead, overcome the run game effect of the Eagles.

They scored when they had the ball, even though I think they lost TOP, and we didn't ... Game Over

Actually I think they (barely) won the TOP.

 

[mahoneybill]

Actually I think they (barely) won the TOP.

Thanks. Busy with relative ( to make it worse die hard Eagles fans ) so going off snippets in the game coverage where they showed the TOP stat.

 

[phildadon86]

Oh another one of these threads who would have thought

 

[xwalker]

Suh or Dez ?

I see that Suh played 61 snaps which was 78% of their defensive snaps in the game on Sunday. Melton has been playing in the low thirties which is normally about 45% of the snaps.

If Melton and Suh were equal talent but Suh played 60 snaps per game and Melton played 30, then Suh would be worth double. Melton is scheduled to make 9M if they pick up his option. That would make Suh worth 16M. If they could sign Suh for 12M then they would be getting a 4M bonus value relative to Melton.

 

[xwalker]

Dez is probably my first or 2nd favorite player on this team but I just think with how our scheme is built and how we don't do anything creative to get players involved in the offense that we should just let him walk and spend all of that money elsewhere.


Can you imagine paying this guy what 11-14 mill a year and just allowing teams to let him disapear and not getting the ball to one of the best open field runners in the game?

If our scheme were to be fixed and we could actually get him the ball on bubble screens, drags, slants, and ect then I'd love to keep him.

If not then just go sign some solid Vincent Jackson type of receiver and let him do the same thing for less. We'll take a hit in talent but we'll have more money to help other positions that actually matter in these crap schemes.

What would they do with the money saved?

The only possible way for it to make sense is if they could get more from that money by spending on anther player or players.

I don't see a free agent at any position that will put this team over the top without Dez.

 

[TonyRomo17]

I see that Suh played 61 snaps which was 78% of their defensive snaps in the game on Sunday. Melton has been playing in the low thirties which is normally about 45% of the snaps.

If Melton and Suh were equal talent but Suh played 60 snaps per game and Melton played 30, then Suh would be worth double. Melton is scheduled to make 9M if they pick up his option. That would make Suh worth 16M. If they could sign Suh for 12M then they would be getting a 4M bonus value relative to Melton.

I rather have a rotating system like the Seahawks

 

[xwalker]

I rather have a rotating system like the Seahawks

I expect a 9M per year player in a rotation to get at least 60% of the snaps. If Melton is not worth 9M due to not playing more snaps, then they need to consider other FA options. If you could get a guy like Suh and reduce his snaps from 78% to 60% and pay him 12M that's still better than paying Melton 9M for 40% of the snaps, IMO.

 

[DFWJC]

Dez is probably my first or 2nd favorite player on this team but I just think with how our scheme is built and how we don't do anything creative to get players involved in the offense that we should just let him walk and spend all of that money elsewhere.


Can you imagine paying this guy what 11-14 mill a year and just allowing teams to let him disapear and not getting the ball to one of the best open field runners in the game?

If our scheme were to be fixed and we could actually get him the ball on bubble screens, drags, slants, and ect then I'd love to keep him.

If not then just go sign some solid Vincent Jackson type of receiver and let him do the same thing for less. We'll take a hit in talent but we'll have more money to help other positions that actually matter in these crap schemes.

You're just frustrated Catch.
Which is understandable.

However....

Dez is the 6th most targeted player in the entire NFL....and that is with him playing on a team that runs it more than almost anyone.

It wouldn't surprise that as a percentage of pass plays, he is THE most targeted played in the NFL.. Has to be close.

As for paying him. If we do, I really do hope it's not in the upper range of what you stated.
The cap is going up though.

 

[CATCH17]

You're just frustrated Catch.
Which is understandable.

However....

Dez is the 6th most targeted player in the entire NFL....and that is with him playing on a team that runs it more than almost anyone.

It wouldn't surprise that as a percentage of pass plays, he is THE most targeted played in the NFL.. Has to be close.

As for paying him. If we do, I really do hope it's not in the upper range of what you stated.
The cap is going up though.

I know Dez has great numbers. I know he gets targets. He's still not being used properly.

Running him up the sideline and hoping he can defeat the man draped all over him is not high percentage enough for me.

Just find ways to get him the ball that are more creative.

Watch a Bronco game and imagine Dez getting the ball the way Demaryius Thomas does.

Imagine having some passing plays that aren't all about winning 1 on 1s.

It's just too basic and ends with us getting blitzed and sent home when we can't make plays outside of the scheme because Romo can't buy time with his feet and his receivers are 30 yards downfield.

 

[CATCH17]

What would they do with the money saved?

The only possible way for it to make sense is if they could get more from that money by spending on anther player or players.

I don't see a free agent at any position that will put this team over the top without Dez.

Dez won't put us over the top either unless we figure out how to not like crap bag corners take him out of guys.

Defenses stilld dictate our passing game and they get Dez running down field every play it seems.


Like TO, he is one of the best catch and run receivers in the NFL but yet we don't design those kind of plays for him or TO.

 

[DFWJC]

I know Dez has great numbers. I know he gets targets. He's still not being used properly.

Running him up the sideline and hoping he can defeat the man draped all over him is not high percentage enough for me.

Just find ways to get him the ball that are more creative.

Watch a Bronco game and imagine Dez getting the ball the way Demaryius Thomas does.

Imagine having some passing plays that aren't all about winning 1 on 1s.

It's just too basic and ends with us getting blitzed and sent home when we can't make plays outside of the scheme because Romo can't buy time with his feet and his receivers are 30 yards downfield.

I agree.

And DT is a perfect example.

 

[Jerryrage]

Jason Garrett's offense has never been about one player. It's a spread the ball around offense. Just ask T.O . He told prime time in an interview that they would have to scrap the entire offense to get him the ball more. I disagree with it because a 5th string WR should never be in the game unless they had no one else.

 

[ak47kaehu]

I agree that we've seen Dez disappear during games this year. But was it due to poor route running, lack of creativity to get him open, lack of speed, or just plain getting outplayed? I really don't know. Your #1 receiver isn't supposed to disappear like that or get outplayed by no name corners. If its a simple fix then yeah sign em, but if this is going to be a problem down the line then why invest in something that is going to eventually fail? Maybe he's not worth the money hes asking?

 

[Ender]

Dez is probably my first or 2nd favorite player on this team but I just think with how our scheme is built and how we don't do anything creative to get players involved in the offense that we should just let him walk and spend all of that money elsewhere.


Can you imagine paying this guy what 11-14 mill a year and just allowing teams to let him disapear and not getting the ball to one of the best open field runners in the game?

If our scheme were to be fixed and we could actually get him the ball on bubble screens, drags, slants, and ect then I'd love to keep him.

If not then just go sign some solid Vincent Jackson type of receiver and let him do the same thing for less. We'll take a hit in talent but we'll have more money to help other positions that actually matter in these crap schemes.

So instead of finding ways to get one of the best players in the league the ball we let him walk? Yea lets not do that.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Some days I just smh at the topics on this board. I've been out all day and when I log on, this is the first thread I see at the top of the fan zone ..... and I wonder.... if these are our fans, .......???

Never mind.

 

[Cebrin]

Dez is probably my first or 2nd favorite player on this team but I just think with how our scheme is built and how we don't do anything creative to get players involved in the offense that we should just let him walk and spend all of that money elsewhere.


Can you imagine paying this guy what 11-14 mill a year and just allowing teams to let him disapear and not getting the ball to one of the best open field runners in the game?

If our scheme were to be fixed and we could actually get him the ball on bubble screens, drags, slants, and ect then I'd love to keep him.

If not then just go sign some solid Vincent Jackson type of receiver and let him do the same thing for less. We'll take a hit in talent but we'll have more money to help other positions that actually matter in these crap schemes.

You'll not only take a hit in talent, you'll take a hit in scoring drives. Dez is the arguably the biggest red zone threat in football. Pay that man. Respect the post though man. I see where you're coming from.

 

[Frozen700]

There is no way you let a guy like Dez walk, imagine how bad this offense would be without him.

Exactly......

We would be horrible. T.Will? Our top guy? Nah

We need to upgrade the number 2 and use Dez more creatively

 

[baltcowboy]

For all of you who want to get rid of Dez and Demarco. Watch the Baltimore Ravens. All their money is wrapped up in their qb, offensive and defensive lines. Jerrah will never go for that.