Down the Drain (Notre Dame)

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Down the drain

By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
September 8, 2007



STATE COLLEGE, Pa. – The good news for Notre Dame and Michigan is they will play in a bowl game this year. Unfortunately it's the Toilet Bowl (brought to you by Unimaginative Game Plans screwed up by Slow, Confused Players).

It's scheduled for Saturday in Ann Arbor, Mich.

The two winningest programs in Division I-A history are not just both 0-2, they are so pathetically 0-2 that Duke and Temple are laughing.

The Irish lost 31-10 here Saturday night, which had less to do with Penn State looking like a good team than Notre Dame being an almost incomprehensibly awful one.


A true top-25 team would have beaten Notre Dame 222-0. Penn State was, for most of the game, lousy – turnovers, bad play calling, terrible execution. Notre Dame was just worse.

The 110,078 white-clad fans here whooped it up plenty. And they should. Hey, it's still fun beating the Irish, even if they couldn't rush a fraternity. But the fact this was a 17-10 game deep in the third quarter before an understandably worn-out Notre Dame defense faded fast doesn't bode well for the season. Of course, Penn State is in the sagging Big Ten.

In this one, the Lions had the luxury of playing with no sense of urgency. Notre Dame's offense isn't so much weak as just nonexistent. It's like boxing a man with no arms – even if you have trouble swatting flies, you like your chances eventually.

"So many three and outs," said Irish coach Charlie Weis, whose offense stumbled and bumbled to 10 consecutive futile drives before Penn State felt so bad for them they committed a penalty to get the chains moved. (It was quite a collegiate gesture.)

"It was just sputtering after sputtering," Weis said.

Notre Dame scored 10 points. One was an interception return for a touchdown. The other was when Tom Zbikowski returned a punt to the Penn State 7. When he stepped out of bounds so close to the end zone you could see his frustration because deep down he knew there was no way, no how Notre Dame could score a touchdown, even sitting first and goal.

And they didn't, kicking on fourth and 5.

The Irish offense hasn't scored a touchdown all season. You'd call that its most embarrassing shutout except that Notre Dame didn't manage a single net yard rushing in this game.

And you'd call that the Irish offense's worst stat, but it actually is an improvement over last week, when Notre Dame rushed for minus-8 yards against Georgia Tech.

So, Big Charlie, what's wrong?

"That's a good question," Weis said. "I don't have the answer."

Personally, I had full faith that Weis was a top-line coach and that once he got talent throughout the program – recruiting is strong – he'd get the Irish back into the big time. I still believe this, actually, and I was one of the few sober people within 10 miles of State College on Saturday.

But Weis is testing everyone's faith right now because it isn't just a lack of talent that is Notre Dame's problem. It is the lack of execution, the sloppiness, the silliness, the sheer disorganization of the team.

A well-coached team at least maximizes what it has. This team minimizes.

Even on the rare occasions Notre Dame actually did something positive (say freshman Jimmy Clausen completing a 43-yard pass); the Irish shot themselves in the foot (called back due to a hold).

For most of the game Notre Dame was penalized for more yards than it gained. The Irish finished with 14 flags for 97 yards, often critical errors at the absolute wrong moment.

For fun, let's rank our five favorite ridiculously terrible Notre Dame penalties:

5. The hold on a touchback.

4. The offsides following a delay of game.

3. The needless facemask on a sack that would have forced fourth down.

2. The personal foul when they tackled the Penn State punt returner before he could even make a fair catch.

1. The delay of game following a timeout.

We probably could have made this a top 10.

"That was miserable," Weis said.

This entire game was. Penn State put on quite a show, a jammed and jumping overflow crowd in all white. But they mostly watched a tractor pull of a game, stops and starts and blown gaskets.

Weis only could offer praise for the effort of his defense and the potential of Clausen.

"Although I'm not doing cartwheels," Weis said.

And just when you thought nothing could be uglier than the Notre Dame offense.

In all the weeks in all the stadiums of all the teams I've ever covered, Notre Dame was the worst high major college football team I've ever seen. Of course, I haven't seen Michigan in person this season – yet.

"I can't be worrying about Michigan," Weis said. "(But, these days,) it doesn't make a difference what your name is."

Two of the biggest names of all time (if not the biggest) meet next week in what for decades has been a great rivalry with national implications. Instead we'll find out who's better, Michigan's collapsing program or Notre Dame's down in the dumps one?

In ESPN's "Bottom 10" rankings last week the Wolverines and Irish were labeled the fifth- and 10th-worst teams.

It turns out they were overrated.
 

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Charlie Weiss is not looking any better than the previous ND coach right now. The name escapes me right now, but I think he got off to a good start his 1st two seasons before struggling.

Looks like Weiss is doing the same thing.
 

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jay cee;1629432 said:
Charlie Weiss is not looking any better than the previous ND coach right now. The name escapes me right now, but I think he got off to a good start his 1st two seasons before struggling.

Looks like Weiss is doing the same thing.

You're thinking of Ty Willingham. Weis is arguably looking far worse at this point, as I think the espectations are much higher for him.


I don't see much hope for Notre Dame until they do something to fix that offensive line. It might be the worst line I've ever seen. I don't care how much potential Clausen has, he's not going to amount to much if his OTs continue blocking worse than Dieon Sanders tackles.

Other than Zbikowski, that team is absolutely awful.
 

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As usual the article is totally exagerated. Penn State has a VERY good D. It is true the O line sucks tractor trailors. The D is actually better then last year. But untill the O line can do something ND is in trouble. Agree about the penalties- but that is something you get with all the young guys playing. They need to have thier butts kicked.
 

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burmafrd;1633911 said:
As usual the article is totally exagerated. Penn State has a VERY good D. It is true the O line sucks tractor trailors. The D is actually better then last year. But untill the O line can do something ND is in trouble. Agree about the penalties- but that is something you get with all the young guys playing. They need to have thier butts kicked.

Good thing Weiss has that big extension. I think it's going to take them a couple of years to fix that O-line problem and I'm sure the young qb is going to struggle for the 1st couple of seasons also.
 

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Clausen looked very good considering he was running for his life most of the time and there was NO RUNNING GAME at all to help out.
 

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burmafrd;1634258 said:
Clausen looked very good considering he was running for his life most of the time and there was NO RUNNING GAME at all to help out.
I think Clausen will be everything that was expected of him. He's the real deal.
 

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peplaw06;1634857 said:
I think Clausen will be everything that was expected of him. He's the real deal.

He may, but I still don't expect him to be a dominant player in his 1st two seasons.

That's why I don't expect them to win very much this year or next. IMO, you need a lot of talent around a young qb for him to be successful, so that he is not asked to do to much.

It's probably going to take the next two seasons for them to build the talent around him.

If they do, they could make some noise by his Junior season.
 

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Notre Dame will be a 5-7 type teamthis year. That's fine, they're rebuilding.
 

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windward;1635594 said:
Notre Dame will be a 5-7 type teamthis year. That's fine, they're rebuilding.

Where are they going to find 5 teams they can beat this year? Maybe one in Michigan. No chance for a tie in that game.
 

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windward;1635594 said:
Notre Dame will be a 5-7 type teamthis year. That's fine, they're rebuilding.

Well they do have their two yearly games against the soldiers, they also play Duke and a couple of other typing colleges so they will probably win 4 at least.
 

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I hear that Notre Dame has locked up the Coast Guard, Mass Maritime, Air Force, Army, Navy and 1-AA upstart the Marines in 2013.
 

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Typical BS. I guess MIchigan should be praised for their early schedule- Or Ohio State? ND has only played all 3 academies maybe 5 times in 40 years.
And it will not happen again in the forseeable future. But don't let the facts get in the way of more stupid rants. Navy gave Rutgers all they wanted. Certainly better then at least a couple of Big Ten teams. Love all these comments from the uninformed.
 

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I'm sorry but Weis is responsible for the weak offensive line and lack of talent. You can't make the excuse that Weis needs time to develop that talent. If he won inheriting players from Tyrone Willingham, Weis should win after having 2 recruiting seasons under his belt especially at Notre Dame. If Weis is supposedly the better coach then he should have more success having two of his own recruiting classes to workt with. Both Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops won the national championship in their second year. I'm not expecting Weis to win a national title in his third year but they are not even competitive which is a sign of poor recruiting and coaching by Weis. It's not asking a lot for college sophmores to be ready to play. To say that Weis needs more time is making excuses for his failure to have his players ready. I realize that most fans are not objective and excuse coaches they are fond of. Weis is well spoken during interviews and is an intelligent person so fans will give him the benefit of the doubt they wouldn't give other coaches in a similar situation. The truth is poor coaching is still poor coaching regardless of the guy's IQ
 

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burmafrd;1637095 said:
Typical BS. I guess MIchigan should be praised for their early schedule- Or Ohio State? ND has only played all 3 academies maybe 5 times in 40 years.
And it will not happen again in the forseeable future. But don't let the facts get in the way of more stupid rants. Navy gave Rutgers all they wanted. Certainly better then at least a couple of Big Ten teams. Love all these comments from the uninformed.

I know you tried to make the weak argument last year that the academies are good opponents but you are a Notre Dame honk so you have little credibility.

When you have beaten a team 45 straight times like Notre Dame has done to Navy, it is clear the other is on the schedule for a guaranteed win.

They also play Army this year, along with other crap schools.

I would have some respect for Notre Dame if it shared its NBC money, joined a conference and wasn't given the right to play in BCS games without having to win a conference title.
 

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Well since you are from canada you know nothing about American Football. Just using your own logic (hah) against you.
 

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Just look at who is LEFT from Willinghams last 2 classes. You have not bothered to do that clearly. Weis is having to start who he has- nobodies or kids. His first class was all he could salvage from Willinghams LAST class which was pathetic. HIS classes are fresh and sopomores. And a lot of them are playing when they should be redshirting- but unlike Michigan, OSU, USC, etc ND only redshirts on INJURIES and then not all that often. Just love the ignorance here.
 

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burmafrd;1639645 said:
Well since you are from canada you know nothing about American Football. Just using your own logic (hah) against you.

Hardly given I have access to the same stuff online and on tv that you do. The old arguments that you don't live here so you cannot know whatever no longer applies.
 

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Well we all know what will come out next from Notre Dame fan.

Either the "brutal schedule" argument or the "brutal entrance requirements" one.

No Bowl wins since 1994 :lmao2:
 

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CanadianCowboysFan;1640813 said:
Well we all know what will come out next from Notre Dame fan.

Either the "brutal schedule" argument or the "brutal entrance requirements" one.

No Bowl wins since 1994 :lmao2:
While it is true that Notre Dame is 0-9 in their last nine bowl games, the good news for the Irish is that they probably won't have to worry about another bowl loss this year (or a bowl appearance for that matter).
 
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