Draft losers: Scandrick, Whitehead and Heath?

[chicago JK]

Maybe not directly, but I think Tank Lawrence will eventually be a loser too. I doubt the Cowboys would resign him with his injury history and previous suspension. Hopefully we get his best year yet though when in a contract year.

 

[Doomsday101]

Heath just had his contract extended he will remain either as a starter or as a backup/special teams.

 

[Doomsday101]

Maybe not directly, but I think Tank Lawrence will eventually be a loser too. I doubt the Cowboys would resign him with his injury history and previous suspension. Hopefully we get his best year yet though when in a contract year.

You could be right. This is pretty much a do or die season for Lawrence.

 

[ShiningStar]

Funny how people have been counting Oscan out most of his career, but he just keeps coming back.

im not disagreeing with you. I personally am going on record as saying, we can let Scandrick walk because i think we have his replacement and its time to get that replacement going.

 

[gimmesix]

Maybe some of the stupids can inform me, why would Scandrick be in trouble?

He did confirm with Nick Eatman from what I read that Dallas was shopping him, so the team apparently felt it could do without him ... but that might be with conditions. If they had gotten a pick in the third round for him, would Dallas have taken two corners? If so, then the team might have seen that as a good reason to trade.

Of course, they did draft another corner after Lewis, so it's possible Scandrick is on shaky ground. However, I doubt that his roster spot is in danger this year. We should expect Awusie and Lewis to make the roster, but it doesn't seem likely to me that White would be able to beat out Scandrick for a spot unless Scandrick is toast.

We're carrying at least five corners and I would expect them to be Scandrick, Brown, Carroll, Awusie and Lewis.

 

[xwalker]

Opening a discussion here began by a post on the BtB site...

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Scandrick? First, I never take a rumor as being self-evidently somewhat legit.

Never. Too easy in the Twitter age for even honestly-intended statements to get translated differently than intended.

And so it's not difficult at all for me to believe Jerry's verbals and non-verbals on that one.

Besides that, I can easily dismiss that anyone would be silly enough to think we could get a 3rd round pick in exchange for Scandrick at this point... the whole idea is nonsensical on its face.

I will grant that "down the road it could spell trouble for the veteran"... certainly, but that Scandrick probably will be let go before this long contract ends was not all that novel a notion even before the draft anyhow... but if he performs with the chip on his shoulder that he's well renown for doing when challenged, I feel pretty confident that, in fact, Red and his coaches strongly covet Scandrick's leadership among that young group this season.

Lucky? Yes, but before we get ahead of ourselves, 4th rounders until very recently haven't been the Cowboys' historical strong suit (not that 3rd day drafting is anyone's "strong" suit). I don't think Lucky goes down without a fight, and he does have some support among those he's played with that he's got a future in the league (... the new CBS analyst among them).

But I do agree that, all things being equal, Switzer was drafted with an eye toward both--taking over Lucky's role, and establishing himself well enough by the end of 2018 that they have an alternative to paying Beasley big bucks...

Really, no question about it, they're thinking a couple of years ahead, and Stephen practically said as much when he talked in the 3rd day presser about how free agency does hold some influence on how they make decisions... which comes into play for both Lucky and Scandrick where this discussion is concerned.

Heath/Frazier? Not so fast.

Can he play SS? Based on what we've been told, including by the player himself (see below), yes he can.

But you look at his size, and he's much more in-line with what you generally see at FS.

So I'm very hesitant to give him instant equality with a guy who has stuck around a few years now and has gotten an earned reputation for some hard hitting and production, and with another who we drafted last year and was called a Barry Church clone.

I'm more inclined to think Woods will have a chance in 2017 to make a name for himself as a gunner on special teams, and otherwise to be a defensive backfield rotation guy.

http://draftbreakdown.com/2017-nfl-draft-prospect-interview-xavier-woods-s-louisiana-tech/

Whitehead is likely done. They never completely trusted him on Punt Returns because they would bring Beasley in occasionally when they wanted to make absolutely certain it would not be a turnover.

Scandrick is health dependent. I think they are worried about his health. His knee was never right last season. He is now 30. His contract is reasonable, so if he is healthy, then he's probably safe. They swear they were not trying to trade him.

Carroll is probably safe this year because he got a 3M signing bonus. If they cut him after this season, then it was a 1-year, 4M contract.

Heath is totally safe. He is likely the starter to replace Church and he is a top special teams player.

Frazier is an unknown to the fans/media. Heath and all of the other Safeties are a little on the light side as compared to Church. Frazier is the only one that is more of a typical Strong Safety type build at 217 pounds. He might get some time in run down situations to save some wear and tear on Heath, but if he can't show some decent coverage ability, then he could be in trouble.

 

[LatinMind]

Scandrick isn't going anywhere. And woods is not a as. The guy is small and can't tackle. The only thing that's credible in this is whitehead is in trouble

 

[CWR]

im not disagreeing with you. I personally am going on record as saying, we can let Scandrick walk because i think we have his replacement and its time to get that replacement going.

I wouldnt be heart broken if we did. I like the youth movement. It makes sense to me for Oscan to play this year with the youngsters and then give consideration to parting ways next year. Hes a vet and a leader, I think the rookies will benefit from his presence. Only I dont know how he will react towards the trade talks and threatened job security, but I expect the chip on his shoulder will carry him through this year.

 

[ShiningStar]

I wouldnt be heart broken if we did. I like the youth movement. It makes sense to me for Oscan to play this year with the youngsters and then give consideration to parting ways next year. Hes a vet and a leader, I think the rookies will benefit from his presence. Only I dont know how he will react towards the trade talks and threatened job security, but I expect the chip on his shoulder will carry him through this year.

if he understands it and we stick to it, sure give it a go. Im not hating the idea, im just thinking it would be better for him if he wanted to go to a team that really needs him. Your plan is solid too.

 

[ghst187]

I have never gotten all the love the coaches had for Scandrick, hard to remember many plays he actually made. We will miss that One turnover per year average....

 

[ShiningStar]

I have never gotten all the love the coaches had for Scandrick, hard to remember many plays he actually made. We will miss that One turnover per year average....

Scandrick is not a stat guy. Hes goign to break up plays, hes going to make catching the ball harder. He has stuck enough that it warrants it for this team. Also despite bad coaching, lets not forget. He has done everything asked of him and more.

That warrants appreciating the guy. Turns over, might not always had them, but you want a pass broken up, or a defense irked because it couldnt make 3rd and short or 3rd and long, Scandrick is your man and il take that just as much.

 

[stilltheguru88]

I agree. Scandrick is the most veteran, skilled and overall best corner we have ... right now. Next year is a different story. This year? Stupid to let him go.

I think Heath is on a one year trial. Which he should. Is he a situational guy or can he be a full time starter? Either way we are covered. Frazier is a ST guy nothing more.

Lucky? Well ... bye

You don't know what Frazier is. Smh

 

[LatinMind]

Whitehead is likely done. They never completely trusted him on Punt Returns because they would bring Beasley in occasionally when they wanted to make absolutely certain it would not be a turnover.

Scandrick is health dependent. I think they are worried about his health. His knee was never right last season. He is now 30. His contract is reasonable, so if he is healthy, then he's probably safe. They swear they were not trying to trade him.

Carroll is probably safe this year because he got a 3M signing bonus. If they cut him after this season, then it was a 1-year, 4M contract.

Heath is totally safe. He is likely the starter to replace Church and he is a top special teams player.

Frazier is an unknown to the fans/media. Heath and all of the other Safeties are a little on the light side as compared to Church. Frazier is the only one that is more of a typical Strong Safety type build at 217 pounds. He might get some time in run down situations to save some wear and tear on Heath, but if he can't show some decent coverage ability, then he could be in trouble.

Yup Whitehead is done. But a name not mentioned is Leon McFadden he's done.

Scandrick will play out his deal, He's the leader of the secondary once Church was gone. Scandrick is intimidating too, he gets in people faces. And not always in the opposing teams face. Loved when he got in faces of ST and OFF in 2014 vs CHI. And he ended the game with the INT in the endzone.

Woods, think people need to tap the brakes. The team likes him, but never once did anybody give a hint that he will be a starter. He doesnt have the skills to be a SS. He's small and he doesnt tackle good. He would be bad in the box. He will most likely be the S to come in, in sub packages replacing Jones when he drops to cover TEs. And he's not guaranteed that, As Awuzie was looked at as a FS by some teams aswell, and he can tackle. Thats a big thing for this defense. The ability to be a sure tackler. Thats why they dont give up big plays because once u catch the ball ur down.

Scandrick injuries last yr had more to do with his primary injury and the after effects. A Foot injury will almost always have and lead to some other nagging minor injurys that yr. Scandrick will most likely be fine and start on the left side. Dallas loves that bigger CB on the right side so i can see Awuzie there, but this isnt going to hand it to him. As history shows he's gonna have to be considerably better than Scandrick or Carroll to start

 

[Idgit]

I have never gotten all the love the coaches had for Scandrick, hard to remember many plays he actually made. We will miss that One turnover per year average....

He's a really good cover guy both inside and out, even if he doesn't come up with a lot of takeaways. If you don't remember a lot of plays involving him, at CB, that's a good thing.

I worry about his age and injury status, too, though. I consider Chido a replacement for Mo, only he's likely to stay in the lineup longer. Carrol is a downgrade from Carr, and Lewis insurance if Scandrick goes in the tank. I actually think Heath is an upgrade over Church at this point, mostly because of his range and because he makes up for in plays on the ball what he gives up in open field tackling. Woods replaces Wilcox (though I actually think Frazier probably ends up getting most of those reps). Overall, while I'm thrilled we addressed the defense, and I like the players we took and their upside a lot, I don't imagine our secondary was all that much improved on paper. What we did do is get younger and hungrier and blew out a lot of players who have been pretty mediocre for a long time. And we saved a bunch of money in the process.

On the front, we added Taco and Tapper, so ~25% of our DL rotation changed. Both are upgrades to the players we had previously. We downgraded with Paea v. McClain. The bottom-rounders I'm not going to worry about until they make the roster. Where we really improved is at MIKE, assuming Jaylon can play and play at a high level. That's a reasonable assumption.

Ball it all up, and I'd say it's a moderate improvement in defensive talent across the board, with the potential to be more than that if we hit on Tapper/Smith/Taco. We've got a shot at having 2 legit playmakers (Lee, J. Smith) and 6-7 good complementary players on that side of the ball. If we could manage an impact DL somewhere along the line, I'd feel pretty good about he defensive talent. As it is, we're fairly solid everywhere with a couple chances to be spectacular in a position or two.

 

[Carson]

You don't know what Frazier is. Smh

Long odds now for him. St guy and spot safety is where he will carve a role here. With Woods, Heath I don't think he will become the next Barry Church.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Long odds now for him. St guy and spot safety is where he will carve a role here. With Woods, Heath I don't think he will become the next Barry Church.

you don't have to think it but to say he's definitely a backup is weak. I'm sure a bunch of you said the same about heath. I don't get it

 

[IAmLegend]

I sense some drama in Big D.

 

[Texas_Pete]

Lucky and...O-Scan:

 

[_sturt_]

I'm immediately reminded that two players in recent memory did what they could to manipulate themselves out of Dallas, and into other unis.

Not all, but 51% of me, takes the Scandrick tweet above as a shot across the bow that he wants out.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Maybe not directly, but I think Tank Lawrence will eventually be a loser too. I doubt the Cowboys would resign him with his injury history and previous suspension. Hopefully we get his best year yet though when in a contract year.

He would have to have monster year (20-plus sacks) for Dallas to consider re-signing him. After all, they let Hatch walk under similar circumstances when he put up double-digit sacks.