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saw this on another board. not sure who wrote it or where it came from, but i thought Hos would like to read about it.

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Way back in 1989, Jimmy Johnson spent the 39th overall pick on Syracuse FB Daryl Johnston.

Only four fullbacks — Tommy Vardell, William Floyd, Mike Alstott and Robert Holcomb — have been drafted higher than the Moose in the subsequent seventeen drafts.

The position has gone the way of the Condor. You can still see a good fullback now and again, but they’re nearly extinct, as colleges have gone pass happy.

That’s why it was surprising to hear Jerry Jones claim that he’s instructed his scouts to find a fullback. Bill Parcells became so exasperated with the lack of choices that he converted NC State ILB Oliver Hoyte to fullback at midseason. Hoyte showed promise at blowing up linebackers; one source told me Hoyte created “trainwrecks.”

Hoyte’s train wrecks are fun to watch, but he hit a mental wall in December. Teams began stunting and Hoyte became confused by his blocking assignments. He also showed no pass receiving skills and his presence in the huddle was a strong tell that Dallas was going to run.

I doubt the Cowboys are ready to give up on Hoyte, but Jason Garrett’s offensive sets, which draw heavily from Norv Turner’s and Ernie Zampese’s schemes, call for a fullback who poses a receiving threat.

Right now, the only first day fullback prospect is Rutgers’ Brian Leonard. He’s not the blocker Johnston was, but he has exceptional speed, hands and running ability for a player his size. He ran for over 800 yards as a tailback in 2004 but moved to fullback last season for the good of the team.

He’s described in some scouting reports as a West Coast type fullback/H-back.

He’s rated as a 2nd/3rd rounder. I’ve mentioned that Dallas’ 53rd pick looks to be in no-man’s land. There’s a significant dropoff in sizzle, with regards to Dallas’ needs, about halfway through round two. The top 2nd round safeties, outside linebackers, receivers and guards all project to the round’s top half.

If Dallas stays at 53 and wants good value, Leonard may get some serious consideration. If Dallas does select Leonard he’ll be the highest drafted, and most talented Cowboys’ fullback since that Johnston guy.
 

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If Dallas wants to look late in the draft for FB a guy to watch is Jackie Battle from the university of Houston. Kid is big 6'02" 245 but also has very good speed putting up a 4.42
 

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I'd be alright with Leonard in the 2nd, but I highly doubt he will be there when we pick.

I can't see any way he last until the 3rd, though.

Edit: the only real problem with Leonard is that he needs to be convinced to play FB and not RB. He wants to be a RB (for the reason that it is a more glamorous, and therefore, much higher paid job, imo). But he could be a real asset at a FB. He needs to improve his lead blocking some, but he is adequate. He isn't going to be a devastating lead blocker. But he can do an adequate job. His impact is going to be in the passing game and occasional runs a la Richie Anderson.
 

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Mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooose!

You know, I still like Lousaka Polite a lot. I just can't help myself. It seems to me he can be used as a hybrid (forgive me) FB/H-Back/TE. I love watching Hoyte block, but this is correct, he is not a rusher or receiver and thus is a liability in some situtations.

I like Brian Leonard, but I would not draft a FB on day 1. As much as I loved Moose and still do Leonard is not the blocker Moose was and thus doesn't merit a day 1 grade IMO.

FB is indeed a dying breed in the NFL, but it will most likely make a comeback. The NFL is a copycat league, all that is required for FB to rise like a phoenix from the ashes is a team who uses one as a weapon to win it all.

The position has evolved more than a lot of folks realize. In the days of Don Perkins and Larry Csonka it was the FB who carried the rushing load. For a time people looked for a Larry Centers or Richie Anderson receiving threat out of the backfield. Now and H-back is popular as we saw with Fasano or Witten at times least year.

I still enjoy watching someone like Lorenzo Neal run up and hit the LB right in the chest. That's why I like Hoyte. Man can he deliver a shot.

Moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooose!

I haven't seen where Jerry instructed his scouts to find him a FB, but it would interest me. I can't help it.
 

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cobra;1445683 said:
I'd be alright with Leonard in the 2nd, but I highly doubt he will be there when we pick.

I can't see any way he last until the 3rd, though.

with FB's being so .... yesterdays news as i understand it - i would think he'd still be there. when we drafted jamar martin ( i think this is right but will bow to those who know for sure) he was a 4th round pick and the 1st FB off the baord.

i am glad to see the position return as i miss the FB back there. hoyte wasn't a FB he was just another LB parcells couldn't get rid of because he collects LB's like some cleptomaniac in an LB store. it was getting to the point i thought we'd just shell the team, find all LB's you can find, and field a team of nothing BUT lb's. but i digress.

if garrett is likely to run more of what we used to do - GREAT! i would hope he would mix it up more, but i would also hope we have a legit FB who can carry the load. if he winds up on the team in the 2nd round i won't be too upset. but if we draft a 2nd FB cause we're moving to a (2) FB formation, i'll scream. : )
 

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Hostile;1445690 said:
Mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooose!

You know, I still like Lousaka Polite a lot. I just can't help myself. It seems to me he can be used as a hybrid (forgive me) FB/H-Back/TE. I love watching Hoyte block, but this is correct, he is not a rusher or receiver and thus is a liability in some situtations.

I like Brian Leonard, but I would not draft a FB on day 1. As much as I loved Moose and still do Leonard is not the blocker Moose was and thus doesn't merit a day 1 grade IMO.

FB is indeed a dying breed in the NFL, but it will most likely make a comeback. The NFL is a copycat league, all that is required for FB to rise like a phoenix from the ashes is a team who uses one as a weapon to win it all.

The position has evolved more than a lot of folks realize. In the days of Don Perkins and Larry Csonka it was the FB who carried the rushing load. For a time people looked for a Larry Centers or Richie Anderson receiving threat out of the backfield. Now and H-back is popular as we saw with Fasano or Witten at times least year.

I still enjoy watching someone like Lorenzo Neal run up and hit the LB right in the chest. That's why I like Hoyte. Man can he deliver a shot.

Moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooose!

I haven't seen where Jerry instructed his scouts to find him a FB, but it would interest me. I can't help it.

i couldn't find the author of the article either, but i knew some good old FB talk would help you get your Wed off to a good start, Hos. : )
 

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Hostile;1445690 said:
Mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooose!

You know, I still like Lousaka Polite a lot. I just can't help myself. It seems to me he can be used as a hybrid (forgive me) FB/H-Back/TE. I love watching Hoyte block, but this is correct, he is not a rusher or receiver and thus is a liability in some situtations.

I like Brian Leonard, but I would not draft a FB on day 1. As much as I loved Moose and still do Leonard is not the blocker Moose was and thus doesn't merit a day 1 grade IMO.

FB is indeed a dying breed in the NFL, but it will most likely make a comeback. The NFL is a copycat league, all that is required for FB to rise like a phoenix from the ashes is a team who uses one as a weapon to win it all.

The position has evolved more than a lot of folks realize. In the days of Don Perkins and Larry Csonka it was the FB who carried the rushing load. For a time people looked for a Larry Centers or Richie Anderson receiving threat out of the backfield. Now and H-back is popular as we saw with Fasano or Witten at times least year.

I still enjoy watching someone like Lorenzo Neal run up and hit the LB right in the chest. That's why I like Hoyte. Man can he deliver a shot.

Moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooose!

I haven't seen where Jerry instructed his scouts to find him a FB, but it would interest me. I can't help it.

I agree. I miss having a true fullback. The two TE set didn't impress me too much last year.

Hoyte was a decent stopgap player, but he's limited as a runner or receiver.

I wish the team had a quality fullback like the Chargers and Seahawks do. I think a good fullback is a running back's best friend. Just ask Tomlinson - or Alexander - or Emmitt.

I'm not sure Leonard in the 2nd round is the right move though. He strikes me more as an H-back type rather than a blocking fullback.
 

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iceberg;1445694 said:
i couldn't find the author of the article either, but i knew some good old FB talk would help you get your Wed off to a good start, Hos. : )
Man, did it ever. Thank you.
 

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stasheroo;1445706 said:
I agree. I miss having a true fullback. The two TE set didn't impress me too much last year.

Hoyte was a decent stopgap player, but he's limited as a runner or receiver.

I wish the team had a quality fullback like the Chargers and Seahawks do. I think a good fullback is a running back's best friend. Just ask Tomlinson - or Alexander - or Emmitt.

I'm not sure Leonard in the 2nd round is the right move though. He strikes me more as an H-back type rather than a blocking fullback.
I agree with every word of this post.
 

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The FIRST qualification for FB should be BLOCKING. Maybe not as good as Hoyte when he hit someone, but you need a FB that can lay people out.
then he has to be able to catch some so that you can use him as a safety valve or dump off. THEN if he can run some thats a bonus. Moose was no runner at all, but he was a devastating blocker and a very good safety valve.
Leonard is described as ADEQUATE at blocking so NO to him. I would want a good look at Anderson from Tenn
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/fb/coryanderson.html
 

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I love Brian Leonard and he'll make some team a real nice player . The problem is his draft position . Some team is going to look at him like a Matt Jones and take him higher than expected . I've even seen a couple of mock drafts where he was taken in the first round . While I'd be willing to give up a day one pick for him , it certainly would be a first . I like Cory Anderson from Tennesse quite a bit too . He's a good lead blocker with some ability as a receiver out of the backfield
 

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I can see the Patriots making a move for Leonard at some point. He would seem to be a good fit for their offense, especially with Corey Dillon's release.
 

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5th round, 149th pick: Corey Anderson FB, Tennessee - 6-3 259
Someboby has to be the Lorenzo Neal of this Offense. Big time lead blocker
 

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burmafrd;1445738 said:
The FIRST qualification for FB should be BLOCKING. Maybe not as good as Hoyte when he hit someone, but you need a FB that can lay people out.
then he has to be able to catch some so that you can use him as a safety valve or dump off. THEN if he can run some thats a bonus. Moose was no runner at all, but he was a devastating blocker and a very good safety valve.
Leonard is described as ADEQUATE at blocking so NO to him. I would want a good look at Anderson from Tenn
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/fb/coryanderson.html

did i read that right - he had 1 carry for 1 yard last year?
 

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NFL scouts went to the Yeoman Field House for the University of Houston's pro day on Friday to see highly touted quarterback Kevin Kolb, but they left talking about underrated running back Jackie Battle.

Kolb, who's expected to be a second-round pick in next month's draft, put on a good show, but Battle brought down the house.

"That was one of the greatest workouts I've ever seen," said Tennessee's coordinator of college scouting C.O. Brocato.

Battle is 6-2, 238. Brocato timed him in the 40-yard dash in 4.44 and 4.43.

"Some had him in the 4.3s," Brocato said. "He put on a fantastic show. He made himself a lot of money. He went from a player going to be drafted in the fifth through seventh rounds to a first-day pick. It was just a fabulous workout."

Battle showed outstanding size and incredible speed. He excelled in every drill. He caught the ball extremely well.

"I mean, that kid's stock shot way up," Brocato said. "If he'd been able to do that at the combine where every coach and general manager was, he'd be a first-round pick. He showed us everything we wanted to see today."

Kolb was the only Cougar invited to attend the Indianapolis scouting combine. Battle and receiver Vincent Marshall, who also had a terrific performance Friday, weren't invited.

"I wish I would have been invited to the combine," Battle said, "but I wasn't, so I focused all my energy on our pro day. I knew what I'm capable of doing. I've just been waiting for a chance to show it.

"I'm very happy with what I did. I don't know where I'll be drafted or how much it'll be worth, but I'm real excited about today. I was very confident coming in, and I'm very confident going out. Now we'll have to wait and see what happens."
 

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burmafrd;1445765 said:
But how good can he BLOCK?

He can block, he may not be the overall best blocker in this FB class but as a total package I think he can do a lot for an offense.
 

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burmafrd;1445738 said:
The FIRST qualification for FB should be BLOCKING. Maybe not as good as Hoyte when he hit someone, but you need a FB that can lay people out.
then he has to be able to catch some so that you can use him as a safety valve or dump off. THEN if he can run some thats a bonus. Moose was no runner at all, but he was a devastating blocker and a very good safety valve.
Leonard is described as ADEQUATE at blocking so NO to him. I would want a good look at Anderson from Tenn
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/fb/coryanderson.html

You are completely right, burma... first and foremost, the Moose was a BLOCKER... his abilities as a receiver and a runner came in a distant second... that's the kind of fullback I want, a load as a lead blocker who can catch the ball a little...

You're also right about Cory Anderson, he fits that bill perfectly... so does LeRon McClain from Alabama, but I prefer Anderson because he's a little (a little) bigger, and a little (a little) faster... Jason Snelling from Virginia is a little smaller (5'11, 245 pounds), but he's a semi-fierce blocker too...

None of these guys will be drafted before the sixth round, IMO, and one or more of them might still be on the board in the seventh...

I like Battle and Leonard, but they're not the pure fullback I'm looking for, or that the Cowboys should be looking for... indeed, Leonard would prefer to be a running back, not a fullback...
 
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