Drew Bledsoe 2nd half 2005 vs. Vinny Testaverde 2nd half 2004 (Almost identical)

[TruBlueCowboy]

Food for thought on the QB carousel at Dallas. I started thinking about this, and out of curiosity, I dug up the stats to see who did better.

Vinny Testaverde (2004, last 8 games)
3-5
1,481 yards
133 completions, 232 attempts
57% completion
8 touchdowns, 10 interceptions
4 fumbles
69.1 QB Rating

Drew Bledsoe (2005, last 8 games)
4-4
1,620 yards
144 completions, 255 attempts
56% completion
10 touchdowns, 11 interceptions
7 fumbles
70.7 QB Rating

On the offensive line, both had questionable right tackles. Testaverde had a better left tackle but worse right guard. Bledsoe had the superior receivers. Glenn was out and Key was hurt bad during Testaverde's second half. Julius Jones of course had a lot more yards during Testaverde's 2nd half of the season. Bledsoe had a much better defense. Testaverde was often playing catch up.

When you look at it this way, Bledsoe doesn't look like much of an improvement over Testaverde, does he?

 

[demdcowboys#1]

7 fumbles?!?!?!

Holy hell, that OL's gotta be fixed!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[KingTuna]

Food for thought on the QB carousel at Dallas. I started thinking about this, and out of curiosity, I dug up the stats to see who did better.

Vinny Testaverde (2004, last 8 games)
3-5
1,481 yards
133 completions, 232 attempts
57% completion
8 touchdowns, 10 interceptions
4 fumbles
69.1 QB Rating

Drew Bledsoe (2005, last 8 games)
4-4
1,620 yards
144 completions, 255 attempts
56% completion
10 touchdowns, 11 interceptions
7 fumbles
70.7 QB Rating

On the offensive line, both had questionable right tackles. Testaverde had a better left tackle but worse right guard. Bledsoe had the superior receivers. Glenn was out and Key was hurt bad during Testaverde's second half. Julius Jones of course had a lot more yards during Testaverde's 2nd half of the season. Bledsoe had a much better defense. Testaverde was often playing catch up.

When you look at it this way, Bledsoe doesn't look like much of an improvement over Testaverde, does he?

Our O-line was HORRID in the second half....Those stats are meaningless behind that line...

At least 3 new QUALITY starters on the O-line must be the priotiy in 2006...

Bledsoe will be LIGHTS out with protection.....

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Well, no surprise here.

Older players tend to slide as the season wears on and the OL problems certainly didnt help things.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Our O-line was HORRID in the second half....Those stats are meaningless behind that line...

At least 3 new QUALITY starters on the O-line must be the priotiy in 2006...

Bledsoe will be LIGHTS out with protection.....

I'm sure Testaverde would have had some problems with a backup protecting his blindside, but it's not like he didn't have his own problems to deal with. No receivers, a defense that could easily give up 4 touchdowns before the half, I think Bledsoe is the better QB, but I also think Testaverde got a raw job by the fans because they all wanted their hero, Drew Henson, to start.

 

[Zaxor]

I was telling every swinging **** that they are almost the same guy...it is pretty uncanny...but VT wasn't good enough and neither is Bledsoe

 

[TunaFan33]

I was telling every swinging **** that they are almost the same guy...it is pretty uncanny...but VT wasn't good enough and neither is Bledsoe

And if we had gotten Mark Brunell instead, wouldn't we be saying the same thing now?

Pt being is that the coaching deserves most of the blame for our fiascos the last couple of years. Lots of teams have had the same glaring weaknesses we've had(i.e. 50 year old QBs, holes in OL, etc).

 

[lspain1]

I was telling every swinging **** that they are almost the same guy...it is pretty uncanny...but VT wasn't good enough and neither is Bledsoe

After observing Zaxor's posts, I have determined what he does for a living....

He cleans houses! He wants to get rid of...

Parcells
Zimmer
Payton
Bledsoe

And he wants to do it now. A clean sweep.

I respectfully disagree.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I would say that the running game, this year, was better by far. While JJ had a good 7 games or so, we literally had nothing until he returned. This year, we have had Barber run well early and an over all contribution from RBs, as a whole.

No question about the WRs and the Defense IMO. Both are vastly superior this year IMO.

Still in all, this point was made before the season ever started. It was not popular then and I suspect it will not be popular now. Never the less, it is proving to be true.

If I only had a nickel................

 

[Cowchips]

And if we had gotten Mark Brunell instead, wouldn't we be saying the same thing now?

Pt being is that the coaching deserves most of the blame for our fiascos the last couple of years. Lots of teams have had the same glaring weaknesses we've had(i.e. 50 year old QBs, holes in OL, etc).

No..with Mark Brunnell you'd be asking which hospital to send his get well card to

 

[Cowchips]

I was telling every swinging **** that they are almost the same guy...it is pretty uncanny...but VT wasn't good enough and neither is Bledsoe

Yes..this is what they said in Buffalo last year. Then reality sunk in in Buffalo. There just aren't that many "good enough" quarterbacks out there and Bledsoe is a hell of alot better than 2/3's of the starters in the league right now.

 

[Zaxor]

After observing Zaxor's posts, I have determined what he does for a living....

He cleans houses! He wants to get rid of...

Parcells
Zimmer
Payton
Bledsoe

And he wants to do it now. A clean sweep.

I respectfully disagree.

LOL add some other 30+ year olds to you equation...see I am more like Father Time out with the old and in with the new...

You will find me on record as not wanting BP, not wanting Bledsoe, not want Vinny T, not wanting Rivera, but you will also find me on record as wanting Henry, Wahle, Henson...

but there is a patteren to my madness if I think they can still be contributers 5-6 years down the road then I haven't a problem usually with the signing's...it is the short-term quick fixes that I have problems with it

 

[Kilyin]

Brunell can actually move when he has to. He's not a sitting duck waiting to cough up the ball for the other team.

 

[Zaxor]

Yes..this is what they said in Buffalo last year. Then reality sunk in in Buffalo. There just aren't that many "good enough" quarterbacks out there and Bledsoe is a hell of alot better than 2/3's of the starters in the league right now.

Really how do you figure? is it winning %? is it making those around him better? is it his decision making? is it ball control? is it performance under pressure? is it finishing strong? what is it that makes him better than 2/3 of the QB's out there...

 

[Zaxor]

I would say that the running game, this year, was better by far. While JJ had a good 7 games or so, we literally had nothing until he returned. This year, we have had Barber run well early and an over all contribution from RBs, as a whole.

No question about the WRs and the Defense IMO. Both are vastly superior this year IMO.

Still in all, this point was made before the season ever started. It was not popular then and I suspect it will not be popular now. Never the less, it is proving to be true.

If I only had a nickel................

this point is gonna escape a lot of folk who will simply over look it because it doesn't fit into their worshiping service

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I was telling every swinging **** that they are almost the same guy...it is pretty uncanny...but VT wasn't good enough and neither is Bledsoe

C'mon Zaxor, he is head and shoulders above Vinny, which isnt saying much.

- Mike G.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

C'mon Zaxor, he is head and shoulders above Vinny, which isnt saying much.

- Mike G.

I would not agree with this. I think that he is better but not by a significant margin, given the circumstances.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Food for thought on the QB carousel at Dallas. I started thinking about this, and out of curiosity, I dug up the stats to see who did better.

Vinny Testaverde (2004, last 8 games)
3-5
1,481 yards
133 completions, 232 attempts
57% completion
8 touchdowns, 10 interceptions
4 fumbles
69.1 QB Rating

Drew Bledsoe (2005, last 8 games)
4-4
1,620 yards
144 completions, 255 attempts
56% completion
10 touchdowns, 11 interceptions
7 fumbles
70.7 QB Rating

On the offensive line, both had questionable right tackles. Testaverde had a better left tackle but worse right guard. Bledsoe had the superior receivers. Glenn was out and Key was hurt bad during Testaverde's second half. Julius Jones of course had a lot more yards during Testaverde's 2nd half of the season. Bledsoe had a much better defense. Testaverde was often playing catch up.

When you look at it this way, Bledsoe doesn't look like much of an improvement over Testaverde, does he?

Great post! I never would have guessed that......I thought it was over whelmingly Bledsoe favor......

Maybe we do need a new QB?

 

[KingTuna]

Great post! I never would have guessed that......I thought it was over whelmingly Bledsoe favor......

Maybe we do need a new QB?

No....We need a NEW OFFENSIVE LINE...........

 

[Zaxor]

C'mon Zaxor, he is head and shoulders above Vinny, which isnt saying much.

- Mike G.

You couldn't prove it stat wise Mike...

All aspects of a QB should be considered... Bledsoe had 17 fumbles, 17 interceptions and 49 sacks this year in 499 attempts... Vinny T had 8 fumbles, 20 interceptions and 34 sacks last year in 495 attempts think about that for just a moment and not let it just pass in one ear and out the other folks plus the running game for most of the season sucked for Testy because Jones was hurt

also VT had 60.0% completion rate Bledsoe had 60.1%
VT threw for 3532 yards without Terry Glenn for the most part Bledsoe threw 3639

average per pass completion VT 7.14 Bledsoe 7.29

they are the same guy...it is freaky...they are so close the only differerance would be that Bledsoe threw a few more TD's 23 for Bledsoe to 17 for VT but bledsoe had lot more negative plays....

Vinny was better and did more with less...no TG no JJ