Dwayne Harris 3rd WR?

FuzzyLumpkins;4047650 said:
Its not overused when coupled with 5 catches 127 yards and 2 TD in 3 quarters of football.

That's what I was talking about earlier - people's head spinning about the yardage. The best thing Harris did was run the right routes and catch everythng thrown to him. The biggest share of his yardage was on a one yard pass where a defense full of 3rd teamers and guys who wont make the roster left a 25 yard wide running lane for him. It was nice to see Harris could run, but running the routes and catching what was thrown to him was the success, not the inflated yardage number.
 
bbullard33;4047067 said:
An ECU Grad, I have watched Dwayne Harris play at this level for four years. He is a playmaker & will continue to do what you saw on the field last night. He is tough and not prima donna, will go over the middle & catch the ball, taking big hits.

Can't wait to watch him in the Silver & Blue.

Go Boys!!!

AARRGGHH!! (That's Pirate slang!):starspin

bluewaterpirate;4047285 said:
Too much stock given to combine numbers and not enough focus on his acutal performance over the previous four years. Believe me, I watched this young man play at ECU you got the sleeper in the draft. He may not run a 4.3 forty but what you really got is a receiver who is a physical runner that can flat accelerate after catching the ball plus he's a great blocker. He has great hands and a student of the game. You got a class young man.

I enjoy hearing from fans who are very familiar with a rookie's college career. Thanks for posting.
 
Just a little FYI Harris did get more opportunities then KO last night let's be real. It's like a RB the more opportunities you get the higher chance of making more plays. I am not taking anything away from Harris, because I think he has crazy good talent and I think he could be a 3rd star. However I think it's a disservice to try and compare what KO did against what he did. KO did what he was asked to do and caught the passes that came his way for 1st downs. BTW he has a knack for that deep out. Also all this smack about his body language is garbage seriously. If you guys think they he has poor body language or has a poor attitude JG wouldn't want him on the team, and that is clearly not the case. Miles likes KO and so does JG he does work hard and every video I have seen shows that. He runs crisps routes and knows where he is suppose to be. I think we are lucky to have 2 young players in Harris and KO that have the ability to be major contributors in the slot in sub packages and I am extremely excited to see what Harris can do on punt returns. It is no secret that I am a HUGE KO fan, and I hope he proves a lot of you folks wrong who are dogging him bad. He has worked hard as a UDFA and has earned a roster spot the last 2 years even with the progress killer in front of him. Just do what you do KO and everything will take care of itself.
 
Stautner;4047655 said:
. The biggest share of his yardage was on a one yard pass where a defense full of 3rd teamers and guys who wont make the roster left a 25 yard wide running lane for him. It was nice to see Harris could run, but running the routes and catching what was thrown to him was the success, not the inflated yardage number.

He exploited a blitz package by running a hot route behind two blitzing linebackers rushing on the weak side that created that wide open area. The play was made by Harris' understanding of technical football concepts and knowledge of the position, not because of some issue of lack of talent on the defense. Why would that not translate? I'm pretty sure NFL first team defenses blitz as well.
 
TheCoolFan;4046716 said:
Too early to crown em yet. We gotta see how they do with the 1st team. Ogletree did a decent job tonight but they're not going to be running routes against 3rd team and undrafted free agents during the season.

Harris looks like he's got some nice potential though. Could be better than Crayton was down the road



Harris will get his chances to make playes but I don't see him pushing out Ogletree for the #3 WR....Tree has some skills too....just hope all stay healthy. I'm looking for a big year with all the weapons on offense.
 
Cowboystar17;4047670 said:
Just a little FYI Harris did get more opportunities then KO last night let's be real. It's like a RB the more opportunities you get the higher chance of making more plays. I am not taking anything away from Harris, because I think he has crazy good talent and I think he could be a 3rd star. However I think it's a disservice to try and compare what KO did against what he did. KO did what he was asked to do and caught the passes that came his way for 1st downs. BTW he has a knack for that deep out. Also all this smack about his body language is garbage seriously. If you guys think they he has poor body language or has a poor attitude JG wouldn't want him on the team, and that is clearly not the case. Miles likes KO and so does JG he does work hard and every video I have seen shows that. He runs crisps routes and knows where he is suppose to be. I think we are lucky to have 2 young players in Harris and KO that have the ability to be major contributors in the slot in sub packages and I am extremely excited to see what Harris can do on punt returns. It is no secret that I am a HUGE KO fan, and I hope he proves a lot of you folks wrong who are dogging him bad. He has worked hard as a UDFA and has earned a roster spot the last 2 years even with the progress killer in front of him. Just do what you do KO and everything will take care of itself.

I don't think KO had a bad game and look forward to seeing him next week. Right now we have Dez and Miles we need these other guys to step up and lastnight I think KO and Harris did just that.
 
I'm still trying to figure out what Kevin Ogletree has done with the Cowboys to "deserve" the 3rd WR position.
 
InmanRoshi;4047688 said:
I'm still trying to figure out what Kevin Ogletree has done with the Cowboys to "deserve" the 3rd WR position.

No one deserves it. Who gets the role is yet to be determined but I do know we need more than 3 WR on this team.
 
InmanRoshi;4047688 said:
I'm still trying to figure out what Kevin Ogletree has done with the Cowboys to "deserve" the 3rd WR position.

I would say thats pretty simple he practice hard he knows the play book he runs good routes and when he was called upon in the games he made plays. I am not sure what's so hard to understand about that. Don't give that bull that he has only 10 catches it's not just the 10 catches. He knows where he is suppose to be and the kid has talent. Just because Harris had a good half in his 1st NFL preseason game does not mean he unseats someone I mean that's a bit over the top. Like I said before KO did was he was suppose to do he caught the passes thrown to him for 1st downs he didn't make any mistakes so how should he lose his spot?
 
InmanRoshi;4047688 said:
I'm still trying to figure out what Kevin Ogletree has done with the Cowboys to "deserve" the 3rd WR position.

Not much just like Harris, we need to see more from both. Ogletree has been in the system three years now, and that "should" give him a leg up on Harris.
 
Cowboystar17;4047695 said:
I would say thats pretty simple he practice hard

That's not what the buzz was last year. And lots of guys practice hard in camp. I'm sure Kevin Kowalski and Pepa Letuli are busting their butts out there, that doesn't mean they're deserving of anything.

Like I said before KO did was he was suppose to do he caught the passes thrown to him for 1st downs he didn't make any mistakes so how should he lose his spot?

Because his competition for the spot out-performed him. I don't care if Brandon Williams adequately performed his assignments at an average level last night, if the guy behind him has a 4 sack game I have no problem moving him ahead of Brandon Williams. Even though Brandon Williams has been here going on 3 years he hasn't done anything in his career to be entitled to squat. Same goes for Jessie Holley or Alan Ball or Montrae Holland or even Kevin Ogletree.
 
Bushido;4047696 said:
Not much just like Harris, we need to see more from both. Ogletree has been in the system three years now, and that "should" give him a leg up on Harris.

It'll come down to who Romo and Garrett trust more. Ogletree should have the edge.
 
Stautner;4047655 said:
That's what I was talking about earlier - people's head spinning about the yardage. The best thing Harris did was run the right routes and catch everythng thrown to him. The biggest share of his yardage was on a one yard pass where a defense full of 3rd teamers and guys who wont make the roster left a 25 yard wide running lane for him. It was nice to see Harris could run, but running the routes and catching what was thrown to him was the success, not the inflated yardage number.

You have no sense of relativism. You cannot just go 'he had one great play that was most of the yardage' and act like that makes the statistics some outlier. That is almost always the case in top performances.

Its still a top performance.

And who cares if it was against second and third teams. He still was the best offensive performer on the field for either team yesterday. They didn't 'allow' a 25 yard lane. the play was perfectly executed. The routes were precise and left them in the right spots and Rucker made the perfect block to spring him. Harris then proceeded to out run the other corner and the the closing safety to the endzone.

Execution results in performance and Harris executed for a big, big game.
 
FuzzyLumpkins;4047707 said:
Its still a top performance.

And who cares if it was against second and third teams. He still was the best offensive performer on the field for either team yesterday. They didn't 'allow' a 25 yard lane. the play was perfectly executed. The routes were precise and left them in the right spots and Rucker made the perfect block to spring him. Harris then proceeded to out run the other corner and the the closing safety to the endzone.

Execution results in performance and Harris executed for a big, big game.
He had a direct hand in all three TDs.
He had the big 25+ yard reception on the first drive, followed by the 9-10 yarder down to close to goal line < the score. Then they put Rad in and get got the short TD reception.

Then, of course, Harris scored the other two TDs.

It was a well-rounded performance.

He also had a couple of screw-ups too (but no drops), as can be expected by a rookie with less than a dozen days of practice.
 
InmanRoshi;4047702 said:
That's not what the buzz was last year. And lots of guys practice hard in camp. I'm sure Kevin Kowalski and Pepa Letuli are busting their butts out there, that doesn't mean they're deserving of anything.



Because his competition for the spot out-performed him. I don't care if Brandon Williams adequately performed his assignments at an average level last night, if the guy behind him has a 4 sack game I have no problem moving him ahead of Brandon Williams. Even though Brandon Williams has been here going on 3 years he hasn't done anything in his career to be entitled to squat. Same goes for Jessie Holley or Alan Ball or Montrae Holland or even Kevin Ogletree.


I would agree if it was against 1st and 2nd teamers not 4th 5th and people who won't be on the team. Most people can shine against weaker competition
 
Cowboystar17;4047733 said:
Most people can shine against weaker competition

No, they cannot. Most good players can shine against weaker competition which is the whole point. Performances like the one he had indicate that he is a good player.
 
FuzzyLumpkins;4047707 said:
You have no sense of relativism. You cannot just go 'he had one great play that was most of the yardage' and act like that makes the statistics some outlier. That is almost always the case in top performances.

Its still a top performance.

And who cares if it was against second and third teams. He still was the best offensive performer on the field for either team yesterday. They didn't 'allow' a 25 yard lane. the play was perfectly executed. The routes were precise and left them in the right spots and Rucker made the perfect block to spring him. Harris then proceeded to out run the other corner and the the closing safety to the endzone.

Execution results in performance and Harris executed for a big, big game.

I didn't say it wasn't a top performance, I said it wasn't a "dominant" performance. There is a difference. A dominant performance is one where a guy just cannot be stopped, and that wasn't the case here. He had a top performance based on stats, but it's not as if he were an unstoppable force despite the best efforts of the defense or that he was just too overwhelming to handle.

Again, the word "dominant" gets over used.

DFWJC;4047717 said:
He had a direct hand in all three TDs.
He had the big 25+ yard reception on the first drive, followed by the 9-10 yarder down to close to goal line < the score. Then they put Rad in and get got the short TD reception.

Then, of course, Harris scored the other two TDs.

It was a well-rounded performance.

He also had a couple of screw-ups too (but no drops), as can be expected by a rookie with less than a dozen days of practice.


This is a good characterization.
 
I wonder if we talked to BUF about Evans before they traded him to BAL. All they got for him was a 4th-rounder so not too expensive.
 
DawnOfANewD;4047790 said:
I wonder if we talked to BUF about Evans before they traded him to BAL. All they got for him was a 4th-rounder so not too expensive.
Maybe.

A 4th rounder seems about right. I'm not sure we would want to burn a 4th rounder for someone to backup Miles and Dez. Evans is not a slot receiver, but he can stretch the field on the outside.
 

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