Dynasty building (tap the brakes, I know)

[RS12]

Dynasty building (tap the brakes, I know)

There are no dynasties anymore. Salary cap has done away with that, along with the NCAA producing a dearth of NFL caliber QBs.

 

[Risen Star]

He died for your sins. We try to keep these discussions out of Cowboyszone.com though. There will be NO salvationing going on here!!!!

I know his bio. I follow the draft.

 

[Alexander]

That is the exact response that is warranted.

Who in hell decides that a team that went 4-12 last year is on the cusp of becoming a dynasty?

Happens all the time. Or something.

 

[muck4doo]

I know his bio. I follow the draft.

Geez, you just discovered the book of Enoch then.

 

[CWR]

12-4 to 4-12 is not trending in the right direction. Getting our next franchise QB is no small task. You must not remember the years following Aikman's retirement.

From the stand point of building up our roster we have put together an amazing offensive line, we have what we all expect to be an awesome rb, Dez, Byron, Crawford, Lawrence, Jones, and hopefully Gregory and Smith. That is alot of very talented very young players. Because we were decimated with injuries last year doesnt mean those players arent promising for our future.

I could understand a pessimistic point of view going forward if we were an older team, but that is clearly not the case. I also wont look at one player and determine our future is grim because of that position. Im not minimizing the importance of QB either. Its a huge concern and one way or the other needs to be addressed.

 

[Plankton]

Can they string together more than one winning season before discussions of building a dynasty take place?

 

[waldoputty]

From the stand point of building up our roster we have put together an amazing offensive line, we have what we all expect to be an awesome rb, Dez, Byron, Crawford, Lawrence, Jones, and hopefully Gregory and Smith. That is alot of very talented very young players. Because we were decimated with injuries last year doesnt mean those players arent promising for our future.

I could understand a pessimistic point of view going forward if we were an older team, but that is clearly not the case. I also wont look at one player and determine our future is grim because of that position. Im not minimizing the importance of QB either. Its a huge concern and one way or the other needs to be addressed.

with the #1 OL and possibly #1 running attack, we may not need a top 5 QB to win it all.
that makes replacing Romo easier to do.
instead of a Brady or Peyton, a dual threat QB may do, and I dont mean just Cam.

if we cannot draft or sign a brady or peyton, we can use the draft/cash to sign a top DL.
if 2014 team had a pass rush (remember green bay), we may have had #6.

 

[CWR]

For all the critics that like to point out the obvious, like win a superbowl first or do better than 4-12 for petes sake.

I think the OP is more so pointing out that we are begining to stock pile YOUNG talent and manage the cap responsibly. That is how you create a dynasty.

I am fairly certain nobody is attempting to prematurely call the Cowboys the next great dynasty.

Some of you guys just get off on talking crap to people that pump sunshine or have any damn optimism towards this team. Weve all had our pride hurt, been embarrassed and dealt with trash talk from friends and family alike because of the Cowboys and our backing them.

Does it make it easier to deal with it when youre dogging out the team yourself? That way you can say "whatever, I told you they sucked." How about you find your nuts and go all in on your team instead of hedging your bets with all the doom and gloom crap. At the end of the day most of the naysayers on this board still think we are the best team in the NFC east. They are just too big of cowards to admit it.

 

[Risen Star]

Geez, you just discovered the book of Enoch then.

If we were face to face this conversation would be way different.

 

[CWR]

with the #1 OL and possibly #1 running attack, we may not need a top 5 QB to win it all.
that makes replacing Romo easier to do.
instead of a Brady or Peyton, a dual threat QB may do, and I dont mean just Cam.

if we cannot draft or sign a brady or peyton, we can use the draft/cash to sign a top DL.
if 2014 team had a pass rush (remember green bay), we may have had #6.

I agree if we can put together a strong enough roster around the qb an Alex Smith type player may be all we need. We can still continue to draft and groom an elite QB in the mean time.

 

[Risen Star]

As much as people hate on this roster and our drafting ability Its fun to see a post like this, and hard to argue that we don't have talent.

Nobody can question our talent.

 

[JoeKing]

From the stand point of building up our roster we have put together an amazing offensive line, we have what we all expect to be an awesome rb, Dez, Byron, Crawford, Lawrence, Jones, and hopefully Gregory and Smith. That is alot of very talented very young players. Because we were decimated with injuries last year doesnt mean those players arent promising for our future.

I could understand a pessimistic point of view going forward if we were an older team, but that is clearly not the case. I also wont look at one player and determine our future is grim because of that position. Im not minimizing the importance of QB either. Its a huge concern and one way or the other needs to be addressed.

On paper, yes our roster is shaping up but being paper champions is not the goal. I don't count our eggs before they hatch like most fans do.

There is a huge difference between pessimism and pragmatism. Discounting the importance of Romo is an unforced error. Discounting the importance of Romo's heir apparent to future success is just flat out foolish. QB is the one position if not properly filled that will determine our future to be grim.

 

[CWR]

Nobody can question our talent.

Im assuming thats sarcasm.

Tell me whos talent is in question:

Smith
Fred
Martin
Collins
Zeke
Dez
Byron
Law
Smith
Gregory
Crawford

In not including Thorton, Lee, McClain, Scandrick, Romo or Witten or any of our depth here just young TALENTED blue chip players. Im also not assuming all will work out, only stating the talent is there and growing.

 

[CWR]

On paper, yes our roster is shaping up but being paper champions is not the goal. I don't count our eggs before they hatch like most fans do.

There is a huge difference between pessimism and pragmatism. Discounting the importance of Romo is an unforced error. Discounting the importance of Romo's heir apparent to future success is just flat out foolish. QB is the one position if not properly filled that will determine our future to be grim.

Hey I agree with all that. I just cant get behind saying we are moving in the wrong direction from the stand point of our roster.

 

[waldoputty]

For all the critics that like to point out the obvious, like win a superbowl first or do better than 4-12 for petes sake.

I think the OP is more so pointing out that we are begining to stock pile YOUNG talent and manage the cap responsibly. That is how you create a dynasty.

I am fairly certain nobody is attempting to prematurely call the Cowboys the next great dynasty.

Some of you guys just get off on talking crap to people that pump sunshine or have any damn optimism towards this team. Weve all had our pride hurt, been embarrassed and dealt with trash talk from friends and family alike because of the Cowboys and our backing them.

Does it make it easier to deal with it when youre dogging out the team yourself? That way you can say "whatever, I told you they sucked." How about you find your nuts and go all in on your team instead of hedging your bets with all the doom and gloom crap. At the end of the day most of the naysayers on this board still think we are the best team in the NFC east. They are just too big of cowards to admit it.

lol, we dont have the next dynasty.
if you dont plan for one though, you will never get one.
i just think stephen jones is doing a good job (not great, because they would have drafted a reasonable RB last year otherwise).

rumor around the league is that other teams are getting worried (not sure if true...)

i dont think we are that many pieces away, especially if romo is healthy for next 2 years.
in my view, we are a healthy romo (or replacement), a top DL and another very good D player (Jaylon?) away from making a serious run.
if hardy and gregory were not such idiots, the D may be close to ready.

i just think we are in a unique time with:
1. having (accidentally?) cornered the market on 3-4 probowl OL - which happens to be typically a position of longevity (knock on wood...)
2. the rapidly expanding cap that opens opportunities for a dynasty in the salary cap world.

i do think we will be signing long term contracts for the OL to lock in the value and the talent.
TFred is next.

 

[RS12]

Happens all the time. Or something.

Annual May post draft pom pom frenzy.

 

[waldoputty]

Im assuming thats sarcasm.

Tell me whos talent is in question:

Smith
Fred
Martin
Collins
Zeke
Dez
Byron
Law
Smith
Gregory
Crawford

In not including Thorton, Lee, McClain, Scandrick, Romo or Witten or any of our depth here just young TALENTED blue chip players. Im also not assuming all will work out, only stating the talent is there and growing.

I think the O is all set, but actually would somewhat discount Law, Gregory, Jaylon and Crawford.
Law because of the back and the suspension?
Gregory because he may be suspended further because he has a real problem.
Jaylon because he may not heal right, but if he does, look out.
Crawford because he not done much yet - that makes 2 years where injury caused his production.

but we are still not that far off - you dont need 22 foundation players.
with good health, the O is absolutely stacked with 8 top players: romo, witten, dez, zeke, tsmith, collins, tfred and martin.

you dont need 22 foundation players, just 2-3 good pieces on the D.
may be DT collins and tapper are the solution - i am definitely not confident of that.
thornton could be a key piece that makes the push up the middle compensate for the edge rushers?

It is sad Hardy and Gregory are such idiots.
Or the D may be ready...

But we have sown the seeds - difference from last year - let see if anyone breaks out:
DT: Thornton, Collins and healthy Crawford (hope he stays that way)
DE: Tapper, Mayowa, more Irving, lost Hardy though, non-injured Gregory (assume he comes back), 4 game suspension and recovering Lawrence.
LB - everyone is back, plus a very small chance of a recovered Jaylon in 2016.
CB - Scandrick if he is 100%
S - Jones 2nd year

 

[JoeKing]

Hey I agree with all that. I just cant get behind saying we are moving in the wrong direction from the stand point of our roster.

From the stand point of our roster, no one is saying we are moving in the wrong direction, but that is a far cry from declaring we have a dynasty any time soon. The right moves are being made at this time to get there but make no mistake, we don't get there without a franchise QB, post-Romo.

 

[waldoputty]

From the stand point of our roster, no one is saying we are moving in the wrong direction, but that is a far cry from declaring we have a dynasty any time soon. The right moves are being made at this time to get there but make no mistake, we don't get there without a franchise QB, post-Romo.

so it is mostly a matter of semantics.
i think we are about 2 pieces (DE, LB) away if Romo is healthy.
I think DT, CB and S are good enough.

how many pieces do you think we are missing?

if romo gets hurt, then we have a huge gaping hole in the O that would get us a high draft pick.
with #1 OL and possibly #2 rushing attack, i tend to think we can live with #6-10 QB instead of top 5.
especially if those resources are put into the pass rush.

when i say dynasty, i see the blueprint for one and I think FO are doing the right things now.
if we can lock down the OL, I think we can sign/draft the rest in a sustainable way because of the cash advantage.
thing can come on quick if zeke (and jaylon) pan out like foundation players.

 

[cowboyblue22]

all that talent you are talking about won one game last year without romo. and wouldn't won it if not for a huge mistake by player for Washington.