Eagles coach - Wentz a work in progress

[Sarge]

As soon as he realized he had to throw the ball farther than 10 yards on occasion, he fell apart very quickly.

 

[LocimusPrime]

As soon as he realized he had to throw the ball farther than 10 yards on occasion, he fell apart very quickly.

 

[BoysfanfromCanada]

He was not a reach in that draft class at all.


Look where QB's usually go.


He is a super talented player and he did not embarrass himself at all as a rookie. That offense lacks talent and he played pretty good for a rookie QB.

QB's are always overvalued, I agree, and it makes most teams pay. He's talented, I wouldn't say 'super talented'. I'd keep that word for the Peyton Mannings and Drew Brees's of the world, but had he been drafted late in the first or early 2nd, his progress as a rookie would have been about right. Upside with things to work on.

But the fact that he artificially (in my opinion, he didn't play into his draft spot, hype drove him up) worked his way up to 2nd overall pick means he should be more of a finished product, which in my opinion he isn't.

Just makes me glad we got our guy in pretty much the 5th round!

 

[diefree666]

He was not a reach in that draft class at all.


Look where QB's usually go.


He is a super talented player and he did not embarrass himself at all as a rookie. That offense lacks talent and he played pretty good for a rookie QB.

Of COURSE he was a reach. From a small school that had much more talent then most they played. Limited starting experience. Noted problems with accuracy and footwork and reading defenses.

Potential yes. BUT what he had SHOWN in college did not deserve a first rd rating. LET ALONE the #2 pick. Now of course that is not rare- Jamarcus Russell probably will all time hold the title of being the most over rated- but that does not excuse the extreme REACH for Wentz. Or Goff for that matter.

 

[CATCH17]

Of COURSE he was a reach. From a small school that had much more talent then most they played. Limited starting experience. Noted problems with accuracy and footwork and reading defenses.

Potential yes. BUT what he had SHOWN in college did not deserve a first rd rating. LET ALONE the #2 pick. Now of course that is not rare- Jamarcus Russell probably will all time hold the title of being the most over rated- but that does not excuse the extreme REACH for Wentz. Or Goff for that matter.

I completely disagree.


You take players in the draft based on their talent and how it projects to the NFL.

Wentz was the full package. He checked every box.


If Jared freakin noodle arm Goff can go # 1 then Carson Wentz sure as heck isn't far behind.

 

[CATCH17]

QB's are always overvalued, I agree, and it makes most teams pay. He's talented, I wouldn't say 'super talented'. I'd keep that word for the Peyton Mannings and Drew Brees's of the world, but had he been drafted late in the first or early 2nd, his progress as a rookie would have been about right. Upside with things to work on.

But the fact that he artificially (in my opinion, he didn't play into his draft spot, hype drove him up) worked his way up to 2nd overall pick means he should be more of a finished product, which in my opinion he isn't.

Just makes me glad we got our guy in pretty much the 5th round!

Playing into a draft spot isn't even a thing.


All of these guys are taken on their measurables and how they project going forward.

Their college career is down the list or else a guy like Deshaun Watson would've been the top QB taken and not Mitch Trubisky.

You take these guys almost solely on what you think they can do going forward and Carson Wentz checks the box for everything you could've wanted except that he didn't play at a Big D1 school.

Carson Wentz is a bigtime talent.

 

[CATCH17]

As soon as he realized he had to throw the ball farther than 10 yards on occasion, he fell apart very quickly.

He plays in a Andy Reid dink and dunk offense and his supporting cast is way below average.

 

[Longboysfan]

79.3 rating. Right in between Blake Bortles and Trevor Siemian.

Off season Championship....

 

[Yakuza Rich]

He was not a reach in that draft class at all.


Look where QB's usually go.


He is a super talented player and he did not embarrass himself at all as a rookie. That offense lacks talent and he played pretty good for a rookie QB.

He stunk last year. He got by in the first 3 games because Pederson's play calling was so wacky that nobody could have prepared for it. 79.3 QB rating with 16 TD's to 14 INT's in that system is pretty poor. His QB rating on passes over 15 yards in the air was abysmal. And if you watch All-22 he had a lot of receivers open (because the offense is designed to get players open) that he just never saw because he lacks the anticipation.

As I said when the season started last year, it was a stupid move by the Eagles to start him right away. They fell in love with the fact that he knew the playbook and his athleticism and arm strength, but neglected the fact that he has serious throwing mechanic issues and would likely struggle with anticipation given NFL defenses are light years faster than the defenses he faced at North Dakota State.

You have to sit those type of QB's down, let them iron out the throwing mechanics (Wentz has a terrible delivery which is harder to correct than poor footwork) and let them understand all of the little behind the scenes parts of being a NFL QB along with slowly integrating the change in the speed of the game for him.

Cody Kessler was better than Wentz was last year.





YR

 

[CATCH17]

He stunk last year. He got by in the first 3 games because Pederson's play calling was so wacky that nobody could have prepared for it. 79.3 QB rating with 16 TD's to 14 INT's in that system is pretty poor. His QB rating on passes over 15 yards in the air was abysmal. And if you watch All-22 he had a lot of receivers open (because the offense is designed to get players open) that he just never saw because he lacks the anticipation.

As I said when the season started last year, it was a stupid move by the Eagles to start him right away. They fell in love with the fact that he knew the playbook and his athleticism and arm strength, but neglected the fact that he has serious throwing mechanic issues and would likely struggle with anticipation given NFL defenses are light years faster than the defenses he faced at North Dakota State.

You have to sit those type of QB's down, let them iron out the throwing mechanics (Wentz has a terrible delivery which is harder to correct than poor footwork) and let them understand all of the little behind the scenes parts of being a NFL QB along with slowly integrating the change in the speed of the game for him.

Cody Kessler was better than Wentz was last year.





YR

He far from stunk. He played like a young promising rookie.


When you consider the competition jump and also factor in the amount of time he missed his senior year he played very well as a rookie and he's only going to get better.

He's the full package and if Pederson doesn't screw it up and they get some WR's that can catch then he's going to be good.

 

[diefree666]

He far from stunk. He played like a young promising rookie.


When you consider the competition jump and also factor in the amount of time he missed his senior year he played very well as a rookie and he's only going to get better.

He's the full package and if Pederson doesn't screw it up and they get some WR's that can catch then he's going to be good.

your stance on Wentz is like Risen's on Dak. Completely without visible support- a ghost evaluation.

 

[CATCH17]

your stance on Wentz is like Risen's on Dak. Completely without visible support- a ghost evaluation.

Yeah he was just so horrible. Never made a play. Just completely lost out there.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

He far from stunk. He played like a young promising rookie.


When you consider the competition jump and also factor in the amount of time he missed his senior year he played very well as a rookie and he's only going to get better.

He's the full package and if Pederson doesn't screw it up and they get some WR's that can catch then he's going to be good.

He stunk. He didn't play like a young, promising rookie. His best play came in those first 3 games when he was throwing nothing but extremely short routes with a lot of misdirection that doesn't require any anticipation and leaves receivers wide open. Then the brazen and often wacky play calling by Pederson which included things like throwing quick screens to a TE on the 5-yard line that no team was prepared for made things very easy for Wentz in those games.

His accuracy was horrendous and he couldn't throw anything accurately from past 15 yards and was more or less a 1-read QB that struggled to use the checkdown effectively. .

The only promising part to his game was his pure arm strength, size and mobility. But his throwing motion is so elongated that it negates his pure arm strength and makes it even more difficult to anticipate throws.

The only reason why I wasn't dead set against him being drafted by the Cowboys is that I thought with his ability to understand offenses, his athleticism, size and arm strength that if he took at least 1 year on the bench (if not two years), those attributes along with a total re-tooling of his throwing mechanics and slowly integrating him into the speed of the game could make for a franchise QB. And at that time I thought Romo might last for another year or two.

However, I also thought the same with Paxton Lynch who was bigger with a better arm and played against tougher competition with inferior teammates. If Wentz is a promising young QB, then Lynch and Cody Kessler must be future HoF'ers.






YR

 

[CATCH17]

He stunk. He didn't play like a young, promising rookie. His best play came in those first 3 games when he was throwing nothing but extremely short routes with a lot of misdirection that doesn't require any anticipation and leaves receivers wide open. Then the brazen and often wacky play calling by Pederson which included things like throwing quick screens to a TE on the 5-yard line that no team was prepared for made things very easy for Wentz in those games.

His accuracy was horrendous and he couldn't throw anything accurately from past 15 yards and was more or less a 1-read QB that struggled to use the checkdown effectively. .

The only promising part to his game was his pure arm strength, size and mobility. But his throwing motion is so elongated that it negates his pure arm strength and makes it even more difficult to anticipate throws.

The only reason why I wasn't dead set against him being drafted by the Cowboys is that I thought with his ability to understand offenses, his athleticism, size and arm strength that if he took at least 1 year on the bench (if not two years), those attributes along with a total re-tooling of his throwing mechanics and slowly integrating him into the speed of the game could make for a franchise QB. And at that time I thought Romo might last for another year or two.

However, I also thought the same with Paxton Lynch who was bigger with a better arm and played against tougher competition with inferior teammates. If Wentz is a promising young QB, then Lynch and Cody Kessler must be future HoF'ers.






YR

Ok well we will see.

He's going to be a really good NFL QB IMO and what do you have him as?

For sure a future Pro Bowler if that still means anything to anyone.

 

[Ranched]

He is in Canada, but is not quite playing.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/v...k-in-canada-has-already-hit-a-major-obstacle/

Oh brother. Always something with that guy. He needs to retire or find an island to smoke pot all day like that other player who "needed to find himself".

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Ok well we will see.

He's going to be a really good NFL QB IMO and what do you have him as?

For sure a future Pro Bowler if that still means anything to anyone.

I see him right now as a Tim Couch, Kyle Boller, Blake Bortles, David Klingler or a David Carr.

Not really horrendous, but not very good. Excellent athletes and most with big arms (except for Bortles) who started right away when they weren't ready and they played either against weaker competition or in a gimmicky offense (Couch and Klingler).

Maybe things turn around for him, but since they insist on continuing to start him the odds are against him.



YR

 

[MichaelWinicki]

QB's are always overvalued, I agree, and it makes most teams pay. He's talented, I wouldn't say 'super talented'. I'd keep that word for the Peyton Mannings and Drew Brees's of the world, but had he been drafted late in the first or early 2nd, his progress as a rookie would have been about right. Upside with things to work on.

But the fact that he artificially (in my opinion, he didn't play into his draft spot, hype drove him up) worked his way up to 2nd overall pick means he should be more of a finished product, which in my opinion he isn't.

Just makes me glad we got our guy in pretty much the 5th round!

That's exactly right.

The hype after the Senior bowl lifted him a full round.

 

[diefree666]

I see him right now as a Tim Couch, Kyle Boller, Blake Bortles, David Klingler or a David Carr.

Not really horrendous, but not very good. Excellent athletes and most with big arms (except for Bortles) who started right away when they weren't ready and they played either against weaker competition or in a gimmicky offense (Couch and Klingler).

Maybe things turn around for him, but since they insist on continuing to start him the odds are against him.



YR

always felt that of all of them Carr got the worst situation. Idiot management that refused to put resources into an O line; the guy was sacked 250 times while with that team; who knows how many other hits he took. I don't care who you are; no one gets that with any kind of chance to develop. I do not think he would ever have been a elite; but I think he might have been good.

 

[BoysfanfromCanada]

That's exactly right.

The hype after the Senior bowl lifted him a full round.

And I feel like that was due to people assuming out interest in taking him at 4. But then other teams apparently added to and believed the hype

 

[Reverend Conehead]

IMO the Eagles are going to be fine with Wentz. He has a lot of raw talent that needs to be honed. I think it will take 2-4 seasons before he's elite, but I think he'll get there.