Eagles getting desperate: Inquire about Olympic sprinter Gatlin

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Looks like the E-girls are getting desperate at WR and KR. I wonder if this means they're not as confident in Bloom to contribute much. For Pete's sake, Gatlin hasn't even played since the 10th grade. The guy is 24 years old. That would mean he hasn't played football in 8-9 years. Asafa Powell's agent is probably going to get a call, too. :lmao2:


http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/summer/track/2006-06-01-gatlin-eagles_x.htm

Agent: NFL's Eagles interested in sprinter Gatlin
Updated 6/2/2006 3:22 AM ET
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By Don Ryan, AP
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Justin Gatlin's agent,
Renaldo Nehemiah, said Thursday the Eagles
have made several inquiries to see if his
client was interested in playing football.



By Andrea Adelson, The Associated Press
NEW YORK — Asafa Powell isn't the only one who wants a piece of Justin Gatlin. The Philadelphia Eagles do, too.

Gatlin's agent, Renaldo Nehemiah, said Thursday the Eagles have made several inquiries the last three weeks to see if his client was interested in playing football. But Gatlin has only one summer plan: a long-anticipated race with Powell in a matchup between the two 100-meter world-record holders.

Nehemiah, who played in the NFL for four seasons in the 1980s after starring in the hurdles, said the Eagles have left phone messages and sent e-mails to him about Gatlin.

Eagles spokesman Derek Boyko said he was unaware of the team's interest, and it was club policy not to comment on any potential personnel moves.

The Eagles are desperate for a receiver and kickoff returner. Of course, they already drafted one Olympian this year, taking freestyle skier Jeremy Bloom in the fifth round to return kicks.

Though Nehemiah knows the temptation of playing in the NFL, he has no plans to return the Eagles' calls and mentioned the topic to Gatlin only in passing.

"Football isn't a necessity" for Gatlin, Nehemiah said. Gatlin, who won Olympic gold in the 100 in Athens, last played football some nine years ago, after quitting his high school team in 10th grade after a dispute with his coach.

"He's doing well enough he doesn't need it," Nehemiah said.
Of more importance to Gatlin and Nehemiah is the showdown with Powell. Gatlin and Powell raced in separate 100 heats last week at the Prefontaine Classic in Eugene, Ore., and a potential race in Gateshead, England, on June 11 fell through.

This week, Gatlin is in New York for the Reebok Grand Prix, while Powell will race in the Bislett Games in Oslo. Nehemiah hopes the two will be able to race by the end of July.

"It obviously has to do with more than just track and field, dealing with the head to head, financial reasons and the venue as well, dealing with the weather," Gatlin said. The competitive side doesn't care, I want to go out there and run. But the smart, business side of me knows this is something special. This doesn't happen all the time in track and field. So I want to make sure when it's done, I want it done right."

Nehemiah has been in constant communication with Powell's representatives and has been getting dozens of calls from meet directors around the world wanting to host the showdown.

As of now, the only meet the two are scheduled in together is July 28 in London. But Nehemiah wants the matchup to be set before then. Neither has a race scheduled between July 14 and the London meet, so possibilities include Stockholm on July 25 or Helsinki on July 26. If nothing can be worked out, then London would be the host.

"They're going to race. That's no doubt in my mind," Nehemiah said. "Unfortunately, it's become bigger than I wanted it to become, and so we're inundated with so many people jockeying for that first race."

Gatlin, who tied Powell's mark of 9.77 seconds in Doha three weeks ago, said the meeting would be worth the wait.

"I want to make sure Asafa's at his A-game. I don't want excuses for a win or for a loss," Gatlin said. "I want to make sure we're both 100% and may the best man win when we go out there. For the fans, I think: give it some time and everything will be OK. They'll understand by the time we get to the line and we're head-to-head that everyone will enjoy the race and everyone will be satisfied."
 

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We drafted Carl Lewis back in the 80s but he decided to stay in track which was probably a good decision.

Lots of track guys have made it in the NFL and several of them were Cowboys. Some guy they called "The World's Fastest Human" wore a star for a number of years after winning the gold medal in the Olympics. He SHOULD be in the HOF.
 

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VERY few top track guys make it in the NFL as anything more then an oddity.
Bullett was the exception that proved the rule. Gault was pretty good- but certainly not top 10.
 

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Actually, my main point is that the E-girls are inquiring about Gatlin even though his most experience with football came all the way back in high school (10th grade). I mean the guy never even played in college. Does he even know his X's and O's? Can he even catch? Not to mention it has been 9 years since he played that last 10th grade game. It's his inexperience with the game of football that makes this a desperation move by the E-girls, not that he was an Olympic sprinter. If other college football players who run 4.2-4.4 40-yd dashes can't excel in football, the chances of Gatlin panning out are extremely low. The E-girls must really lack confidence in Jeremy Bloom. At least that guy played a few years at Colorado.

As for Bullet Bob Hayes, the Cowboys weren't quite as desperate you see. Bullet played awesome college ball at Florida A&M for Jake Gaither from 1960-1964. The Cowboys drafted him after the 1964 Olympics in Tokyo. There was no 9 yrs later, and there was actual performance against good competition. With Gatlin, there is none of that. And that is why the E-girls are desperate, uneducated, guessing fools (among other reasons).

The Cowboys and Bullet Bob Hayes? A successful, educated, calculated move to add a "should be" HOF player who single-handedly changed the way teams played defense (creating the zone defense because of his speed).
 

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If they sign the guy they know he will be a project and will probably get limited time, if any, playing in actual games unless it is as a returner.

If you are going to take someone for a project there is nothing wrong with trying out a guy that has world class speed and HOPE you can turn him into something.

If the eagles were truly desperate they would sign any old WR out there that has exp but is not signed right now or they would make a trade to a team.

Just sounds like they want to see if the guy can be something down the road.
 

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THUMPER said:
We drafted Carl Lewis back in the 80s but he decided to stay in track which was probably a good decision.

Lots of track guys have made it in the NFL and several of them were Cowboys. Some guy they called "The World's Fastest Human" wore a star for a number of years after winning the gold medal in the Olympics. He SHOULD be in the HOF.
Bullet Bob Hayes was not a track guy who became a football player...he was Always a Football Player who also ran track.
 

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He'd have to pass a drug test first. The majority of those track athletes are on roids.
 

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BrAinPaiNt said:
If they sign the guy they know he will be a project and will probably get limited time, if any, playing in actual games unless it is as a returner.

If you are going to take someone for a project there is nothing wrong with trying out a guy that has world class speed and HOPE you can turn him into something.

If the eagles were truly desperate they would sign any old WR out there that has exp but is not signed right now or they would make a trade to a team.

Just sounds like they want to see if the guy can be something down the road.
There's a difference between taking a small school talented player and calling him a project and an Olympic sprinter who last played football in the 10th grade. This is a stab in the dark for the E-girls, albeit a low-risk one. But whether or not it's low risk or high risk, it still is desperate. If they're going to look at guys with speed like Gatlin, why not just bring in the entire USA 4x100 relay team? Or other countries 4x100 relay teams for that matter?

Speed is extremely valuable in football, no doubt. But if we start seeing teams bring in sprinters with little to no football experience as projects and they don't succeed, those teams will look like they don't know what they're doing because, well, they don't.
 

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they have got to start looking in the right places for real wideouts
they arent goin to get many diamonds in the rough
 

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BrAinPaiNt said:
If the eagles were truly desperate they would sign any old WR out there that has exp but is not signed right now or they would make a trade to a team. Just sounds like they want to see if the guy can be something down the road.

Thanks BP! I agree totally. There have been many examples, even with the Cowboys, of one-time track stars becoming Football players . Just off the top ...Bob Hayes, Herschel Walker(?), Reynaldo Jeremiah (?) ...you may know some others.

This guy may have had some football experience in college or otherwise. Admittedly, this came out of no where, but I'm for seeing where it goes.
 

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burmafrd said:
VERY few top track guys make it in the NFL as anything more then an oddity.
Bullett was the exception that proved the rule. Gault was pretty good- but certainly not top 10.

Bullet was a football player before he was a track guy. In fact, that's one of the things that was amazing about Hayes, his sprinting style resembled that of a running back instead of your classic track runner. And he could still outrun them all.


Rich...........
 

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JackMagist said:
Bullet Bob Hayes was not a track guy who became a football player...he was Always a Football Player who also ran track.
Absolutely right, JackMagist.

This comparison between Gatlin and Bullet is flawed because of that bit of truth you just spoke of.
 

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TroyEmmittAndMichael said:
There's a difference between taking a small school talented player and calling him a project and an Olympic sprinter who last played football in the 10th grade. This is a stab in the dark for the E-girls, albeit a low-risk one. But whether or not it's low risk or high risk, it still is desperate. If they're going to look at guys with speed like Gatlin, why not just bring in the entire USA 4x100 relay team? Or other countries 4x100 relay teams for that matter?

Speed is extremely valuable in football, no doubt. But if we start seeing teams bring in sprinters with little to no football experience as projects and they don't succeed, those teams will look like they don't know what they're doing because, well, they don't.


But that is just it.
He is a LOW RISK project.

You can get any young WR from backwoods U but will he have the world class speed of this guy?

They are not going after football catching talent, route running talent right now, it looks like they are targeting pure speed right now.

They know it will be a project.

When you are signing a PROJECT player it is not because you are DESPERATE.

If you were desperate you would sign any old WR that has been in the nfl or trade for one.

Teams have signed players that were mainly wrestlers, track stars and probably other things in the past.

They are a low risk signing. If they pan out then they got a great deal, if they don't they lose nothing.

Sorry I just don't see it as a desperate move. I see it as a project that COULD pan out. And like many of these project players you sign them because they have either Size or Speed. You can teach a guy how to run routes better, you can teach a guy how to catch better, you can teach a guy the basics of the game. You can not teach a guy world class speed or natural size.
 

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Yakuza Rich said:
Bullet was a football player before he was a track guy. In fact, that's one of the things that was amazing about Hayes, his sprinting style resembled that of a running back instead of your classic track runner. And he could still outrun them all.Rich...........


Come on!!! That's too literal and you Know it. Point is, that there's a transition to specialize In one sport or another. Your point is weak. Your analogy would also suggest that Bo Jackson was a football player that played baseball; or vice-versa.

DIfferent set of muscles and emphasis on another segment of talents that must be transformed for the dominant sport. You're much too literal.
 

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It's inaccurate to use Herschel Walker and Bob Hayes to support your argument. Both of those guys were awesome college players. Walker at Georgia and Hayes at Florida A&M.

My point is that the E-girls organization is flat-out guessing with Gatlin. He last played football when he was 15 yrs old. Not one down of college ball. Heck, did he even make varsity in high school? The point is, he is more than just a project. He would be as raw as other track sprinters with little to no football experience. Yet we don't see other teams pilfering the USA track guys simply because they have speed. The E-girls are better off trying to develop Bloom than they are wasting time with Gatlin. Speed isn't all that matters in football.

Because the E-girls think so, they look foolish and desperate.
 

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Cowboys also drafted Carl Lewis back when we had 12 rounds. Of course Lewis never played football but you can't teach world class speed.
 

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BrAinPaiNt said:
But that is just it.
He is a LOW RISK project.

You can get any young WR from backwoods U but will he have the world class speed of this guy?

They are not going after football catching talent, route running talent right now, it looks like they are targeting pure speed right now.

They know it will be a project.

When you are signing a PROJECT player it is not because you are DESPERATE.

If you were desperate you would sign any old WR that has been in the nfl or trade for one.

Teams have signed players that were mainly wrestlers, track stars and probably other things in the past.

They are a low risk signing. If they pan out then they got a great deal, if they don't they lose nothing.

Sorry I just don't see it as a desperate move. I see it as a project that COULD pan out. And like many of these project players you sign them because they have either Size or Speed. You can teach a guy how to run routes better, you can teach a guy how to catch better, you can teach a guy the basics of the game. You can not teach a guy world class speed or natural size.
Whether this is considered a low-risk or high-risk move, is immaterial to considering it a desperate move.

Signing Gatlin is a low-risk move.
Signing "any old WR that has been in the nfl or trade for one" is a high-risk move (or at least could be considered one depending on how much is given up to acquire the player).

Desperation to fill a void at KR/WR stays the same.

If the E-girls picked up Gatlin, they would be forgoing a potentially promising player whom they could develop. Gatlin is a blatant stab in the dark that makes the E-girls look foolish. They have no reason to try him out other than his speed. "Project" status should not give the player development department carte blanche to bring in random athletes with scant football experience.

Otherwise, teams should give MLB pitchers who played football in HS some tries at QB. More tries at lineman for wrestlers with little to no football experience who look big and strong. More tries for guys with extra large hands with little to no football experience to play WR. Or again, more USA 4x100 relay sprinters with little to no football experience to try out at RB and WR.

A project or not, I think it's foolish for teams like the E-girls to discount football experience. Ultimately, they're foolishly guessing to fill a spot they desperately need filled.
 

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Any team that wants to pick up a hot shot prospect is now desperate? What if the boys were looking at this guy, would we be desperate. Maybe some would read into that that the boys are not confident they can pacify el dorado all 3 years and are hedging their bets?

Just cause a team is exploring an option does not make them desperate. Any time you can get a player that could turn out to be a steal, you do it regardless of whos on the team.
 

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considering somebody that has not played since the 10th grade is DESPERATION.
 

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Ashwynn said:
Any team that wants to pick up a hot shot prospect is now desperate? What if the boys were looking at this guy, would we be desperate. Maybe some would read into that that the boys are not confident they can pacify el dorado all 3 years and are hedging their bets?

Just cause a team is exploring an option does not make them desperate. Any time you can get a player that could turn out to be a steal, you do it regardless of whos on the team.

Gatlin should not be considered a "hot shot prospect". He has been a well-renowned professional sprinter since 2002. He won the Gold medal in the 100m race in the 2004 Summer Olympics. The world and the E-girls have had enough time to know who Gatlin is.

The only reason they are now jumping on Gatlin is because they have a pressing need at KR/WR that needs to be filled, and he ran that superb 100m race on May 12 this year in Doha, Qatar where he tied the world record with a time of 9.76s.

I don't mind that the E-girls make decisions in this manner because it just helps out the Cowboys.

And no, if the Cowboys were looking at Gatlin, we would not be considered desperate. We would then be considered foolish only.

The E-girls are both: foolish and desperate...foolishly desperate.
 
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