Early Returns on Our FA Class

[Teague31]

Still very early but so far:

1. TO- Nothing yet.
2. Vandy- ditto. add to that the fact he can't kick off and you really have to question the decision not to go after josh brown who could have been had for a 7th rounder.
3. Adoyele- Have not heard anything glowing yet and he has not stood out thus far in preseason. Add in that Carp is now in the middle and his signing is a little curious.
4. Kosier- Average at best. When you hear that Proctor is pushing him for a job, you can't feel good about it.
5. Coleman- On the sauce and out the door.

I remain optimistic that this will pan out but so far........:bang2:

 

[Ken]

You forgot Fabini who is fighting for a job.....

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Well lets see here.

1 - It's the pre season. Calm down. He will play.
2- Yes frustrating, but he will kick come opening day. I dont think Vandy forgot how to do it.
3- He hasnt been bad either. Carpenter is going to moving around anyway, theres alot of depth at LB, so to get him in, he will probably do it in more than one place. Wouldnt be half bad if we had a good backup for both OLB and ILB, dont you think?
4- Gotta agree. Kosier gets pushed around. I dont like him at all. Proctor isnt that bad. Kosier needs to get his **** together. He got beat a few times against NO.
5 - Dont stress a stop gap player. He cost us next to nothing, and besides the drug test, he was already going to have a hard time making this team. And thats a credit to Watkins and Davis more than a diss on Coleman.

This worse than ES, with us breaking down after 2 PRE season games

 

[junk]

Still very early but so far:

1. TO- Nothing yet.
2. Vandy- ditto. add to that the fact he can't kick off and you really have to question the decision not to go after josh brown who could have been had for a 7th rounder.
3. Adoyele- Have not heard anything glowing yet and he has not stood out thus far in preseason. Add in that Carp is now in the middle and his signing is a little curious.
4. Kosier- Average at best. When you hear that Proctor is pushing him for a job, you can't feel good about it.
5. Coleman- On the sauce and out the door.

I remain optimistic that this will pan out but so far........:bang2:

You are simply underestimating Procter.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

You are simply underestimating Procter.

I agree. We didn't give Kosier that big a contract.

On Procter, given Peterman was worthless of course, it shows he has lived up to having more potential than a 3rd rounder at the very least.

Plus, not all OL are 1st round picks or big name FA's, look around the league. Specifically, look at some of the guys on the Pats SB teams.

 

[Alexander]

Rocky Boiman will also make the team and play a significant role on special teams.

 

[junk]

I agree. We didn't give Kosier that big a contract.

On Procter, given Peterman was worthless of course, it shows he has lived up to having more potential than a 3rd rounder at the very least.

Plus, not all OL are 1st round picks or big name FA's, look around the league. Specifically, look at some of the guys on the Pats SB teams.

Preaching to the choir. Actually, look at all the good to great offensive lines around the league. Most are populated with a mix of undrafted free agents, low round picks and castoffs from other teams. Most teams have an established, long time NFL offensive line coach. I did an entire thread on it.

Building an oline is all about finding guys that fit what you want to do and getting them work together with proper instruction.

I think those people that wanted to throw money and high draft picks at the problem are way off base. I can see a high pick on tackle....specifically left. You can find other positions elsewhere.

 

[Bizwah]

It's interesting....

The guys we expected to really help, have been quiet.

But we've received surprising contributions from
Columbo
Gurode
Hurd
Rector
Watkins

Our young guys seem to really have stepped up their games too.
Canty
Ware
Ratliff
James

Our team seems to have matured a great deal. You can see a confidence and swagger (especially on defense) that wasn't there last year.

In football, attitude means so much.

 

[ghst187]

Still very early but so far:

1. TO- Nothing yet.
2. Vandy- ditto. add to that the fact he can't kick off and you really have to question the decision not to go after josh brown who could have been had for a 7th rounder.
3. Adoyele- Have not heard anything glowing yet and he has not stood out thus far in preseason. Add in that Carp is now in the middle and his signing is a little curious.
4. Kosier- Average at best. When you hear that Proctor is pushing him for a job, you can't feel good about it.
5. Coleman- On the sauce and out the door.

I remain optimistic that this will pan out but so far........:bang2:

Well, I'm not going into panic mode but you're mostly correct
fortunately however I just saved a bunch of money on car insurance by switching to Geico

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Still very early but so far:

1. TO- Nothing yet.
2. Vandy- ditto. add to that the fact he can't kick off and you really have to question the decision not to go after josh brown who could have been had for a 7th rounder.
3. Adoyele- Have not heard anything glowing yet and he has not stood out thus far in preseason. Add in that Carp is now in the middle and his signing is a little curious.
4. Kosier- Average at best. When you hear that Proctor is pushing him for a job, you can't feel good about it.
5. Coleman- On the sauce and out the door.

I remain optimistic that this will pan out but so far........:bang2:

It has been disappointing.

I predict Ayodele eventually loses to Carpenter. Kosier is just waiting on Bill to finally find a good lineman in the draft. TO could be the only success story, but that hammy problem has been a pain.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Preaching to the choir. Actually, look at all the good to great offensive lines around the league. Most are populated with a mix of undrafted free agents, low round picks and castoffs from other teams. Most teams have an established, long time NFL offensive line coach. I did an entire thread on it.

Building an oline is all about finding guys that fit what you want to do and getting them work together with proper instruction.

I think those people that wanted to throw money and high draft picks at the problem are way off base. I can see a high pick on tackle....specifically left. You can find other positions elsewhere.

Well, I wanted to spend money on LeCharles Bentley or Steve Hutchinson only because it was a freak accident that those two were available in free agency. Bentley did not want to stay in New Orleans, Hutchinson was skipped in the rush to sign all the Seahawks other big name free agents. Guys like those normally don't enter free agency. Everyone else, I agree with you. Assuming the Boys had a shot to sign any of these guys, it would have at least solved a weakness for a few years at one guard spot. It's not cohesion from the coach that worries me, it's Bill's frightening ability to keep striking out at the position that worries me the most.

 

[theogt]

What? Procter is pushing Kosier for the starting job? Doubtful.

 

[DragonCowboy]

It's interesting....

The guys we expected to really help, have been quiet.

But we've received surprising contributions from
Columbo
Gurode
Hurd
Rector
Watkins

Our young guys seem to really have stepped up their games too.
Canty
Ware
Ratliff
James

Our team seems to have matured a great deal. You can see a confidence and swagger (especially on defense) that wasn't there last year.

In football, attitude means so much.

I'm going to get beaten like a rented mule for this..but...here goes..

With the way our players have been playing, don't you guys think we should have kept Keyshawn and not sign TO? I have a feeling that we should've just gotten someone proven instead of taking a chance on Kosier. (If Kosier and TO pan out, I'll be more than happy to eat crow)

The thing is...we got some guys to be a "sure thing" so we didn't have to worry about the risks we've taken.

It's flipflopped though. TO looks to be in a bad situation, and people are worrying about Vanderjagt.

On the other hand, the things that we weren't sure about (ie Colombo, Gurode, Hurd, Watkins) look VERY, VERY good right now. Fredrickson hit that 49-yarder, heck, we might not even need Vanderjagt (if Fredrickson is consistent).

Anyway, we've got the job done, IMO. We got a player that looks like a good FS, two players on the OL that look like locks for the future, and a good young QB that we picked up off the UDFA market!

The thing is, we've expected really good things to come about TO, Vanderjagt, etc, which haven't exactly happened. We're too busy worrying about those to rejoice in how lucky we've gotten in the other facets.

I like what we've done better. 4+ very young players look very good. What's better, having those young players look really good, and they can play for another 10 years, or have a kicker and WR look good, when they can only stay for about 5 years tops?

 

[Bizwah]

I'm going to get beaten like a rented mule for this..but...here goes..

With the way our players have been playing, don't you guys think we should have kept Keyshawn and not sign TO? I have a feeling that we should've just gotten someone proven instead of taking a chance on Kosier. (If Kosier and TO pan out, I'll be more than happy to eat crow)

The thing is...we got some guys to be a "sure thing" so we didn't have to worry about the risks we've taken.

It's flipflopped though. TO looks to be in a bad situation, and people are worrying about Vanderjagt.

On the other hand, the things that we weren't sure about (ie Colombo, Gurode, Hurd, Watkins) look VERY, VERY good right now. Fredrickson hit that 49-yarder, heck, we might not even need Vanderjagt (if Fredrickson is consistent).

Anyway, we've got the job done, IMO. We got a player that looks like a good FS, two players on the OL that look like locks for the future, and a good young QB that we picked up off the UDFA market!

The thing is, we've expected really good things to come about TO, Vanderjagt, etc, which haven't exactly happened. We're too busy worrying about those to rejoice in how lucky we've gotten in the other facets.

I like what we've done better. 4+ very young players look very good. What's better, having those young players look really good, and they can play for another 10 years, or have a kicker and WR look good, when they can only stay for about 5 years tops?

I won't beat you for it.

I said it a few days ago.

I was not a big fan of signing TO, and I'm still not......I probably won't be until he does something. Just being honest.

Right now, I'd rather have a Keyshawn than TO. You could depend on Key. I don't trust TO.

 

[sago1]

Actually I've read several reports on how well Ayodele has "seamlessly" fit into the 3-4 system and doing well. I think he's just a quiet individual who doesn't seek out limelight but just goes about doing his job and learning everything he can from James re ILB role.

While I'm not saying that Carpenter couldn't beat him out down the road, don't look for it to happen anytime soon. I do think we Cowboy fans have become accustomed/demanding that our first rounders and even first day picks all must start for us asap. But the really good teams with quality starters don't need for first year players to produce. Carpenter will have time to learn what we expect him to do and do it with a minimum of mistakes cause he wouldn't be forced to perform immediately.

Anyway, while Carpenter plays inside this year, I do think it possible he will move outside next year. It all depends on where we intend to play Burnett down the road. Don't forget that Singleton is in the last year of his 4 year contract so I doubt we'd bring him back next year. Similarly even if Ellis does well this year in the role Parcells will establish for him, does that mean Ellis will still be around in 07? Ellis can move backto DE position cause it's manned by Canty & next year Hatcher will be even more important at that postion. Seems to be every possibility that next year either Carpenter or Burnett will compete for the OLB postion. We just have a lot of quality lbs on our team now which is a necessity in the 3-4.

 

[junk]

Well, I wanted to spend money on LeCharles Bentley or Steve Hutchinson only because it was a freak accident that those two were available in free agency. Bentley did not want to stay in New Orleans, Hutchinson was skipped in the rush to sign all the Seahawks other big name free agents. Guys like those normally don't enter free agency. Everyone else, I agree with you. Assuming the Boys had a shot to sign any of these guys, it would have at least solved a weakness for a few years at one guard spot. It's not cohesion from the coach that worries me, it's Bill's frightening ability to keep striking out at the position that worries me the most.

You need to go back to Hank Hill so I know who you are.

I like Bentley and Hutchinson, but certainly not for the price tag.

Paying guards big money is a mistake. Drafting them high is a mistake.

 

[DragonCowboy]

You need to go back to Hank Hill so I know who you are.

I like Bentley and Hutchinson, but certainly not for the price tag.

Paying guards big money is a mistake. Drafting them high is a mistake.

He really does. His avatar looks like X-Dawg's, so naturally I just skip all of his posts.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Preaching to the choir. Actually, look at all the good to great offensive lines around the league. Most are populated with a mix of undrafted free agents, low round picks and castoffs from other teams. Most teams have an established, long time NFL offensive line coach. I did an entire thread on it.

Building an oline is all about finding guys that fit what you want to do and getting them work together with proper instruction.

I think those people that wanted to throw money and high draft picks at the problem are way off base. I can see a high pick on tackle....specifically left. You can find other positions elsewhere.

good to speak with a fan who wants to talk about something other than our 3rd string QB.

I have to agree with you, most linemen are not "premier" players.

I was listening to Fox Radio today and Nate Newton said something interesting about the makeup of a line ( think it was Newton, maybe Landry). He stated that it all starts with the center and the cohesion works its way out. Good to hear Gurode is coming along well. I hope he can take over, Johnson was really not very good at all last year.

Someone pinted htis out, and I gotta agree, alot of rush came up the middle, mixed with bad tackles, and you had what we had.

 

[junk]

good to speak with a fan who wants to talk about something other than our 3rd string QB.

I have to agree with you, most linemen are not "premier" players.

I was listening to Fox Radio today and Nate Newton said something interesting about the makeup of a line ( think it was Newton, maybe Landry). He stated that it all starts with the center and the cohesion works its way out. Good to hear Gurode is coming along well. I hope he can take over, Johnson was really not very good at all last year.

Someone pinted htis out, and I gotta agree, alot of rush came up the middle, mixed with bad tackles, and you had what we had.

Teams attack up the middle with Bledsoe at QB. It is his Achilles.

I think why Julius looked so good early on is because his best play is a draw. When blitzers are targeting the middle, it clogs things up.

I also think that is why Johnson looked worse. He is at his best when he can get out in space. Dealing with a couple of rushers isn't his strong suit either.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Still very early but so far:

1. TO- Nothing yet.
2. Vandy- ditto. add to that the fact he can't kick off and you really have to question the decision not to go after josh brown who could have been had for a 7th rounder.

1 word, preseason, we've seen what they can do during the regular season, not worried

3. Adoyele- Have not heard anything glowing yet and he has not stood out thus far in preseason. Add in that Carp is now in the middle and his signing is a little curious.

the 1st 2 preseason games are evaluation games for the young players, so there's no doubt that Carp was going to see time over Akin, and the reports from TC were that Akin was looking pretty good, not worried

4. Kosier- Average at best. When you hear that Proctor is pushing him for a job, you can't feel good about it.

average at best is ok as long as he doesn't become a liability, and it doesn't look like that is the case

5. Coleman- On the sauce and out the door.

I remain optimistic that this will pan out but so far........:bang2:

with the emergence of Pat Watkins, and Keith looking steady, Marcus got pushed down the line, and even then, he was practicing at CB mostly

2 more preseason games left to be played, the 4th game should be a better barometer of what we have since it will be a regular season game, type atmosphere