Ellis situation is a huge endorsement of Anthony Spencer

[burmafrd]

James showed serious sack skills last year and we still have the Rat in addition to DW. so maybe the Boys decided to toss the dice= and everyone is tired of Ellis's whine.

 

[bbgun]

Could be a indictment against Ellis.

Maybe the team doesn't think he can do any better than what they have just drafted.

Maybe he's whining again behind the scenes; maybe it's a $ issue; maybe it's an age/diminishing returns issue. Who knows? Spencer will no doubt be the beneficiary, but it's not like his play has run Ellis off.

 

[The Ominous]

Maybe he's whining again behind the scenes; maybe it's a $ issue; maybe it's an age/diminishing returns issue. Who knows? Spencer will no doubt be the beneficiary, but it's not like his play has run Ellis off.

Always something with Ellis. Time's up for #98 methinks.

 

[Hostile]

Maybe he's whining again behind the scenes; maybe it's a $ issue; maybe it's an age/diminishing returns issue. Who knows? Spencer will no doubt be the beneficiary, but it's not like his play has run Ellis off.

Did you catch up on the company line yet? If not, still no sleep for you.

 

[PullMyFinger]

How many skipped rehab sessions?

<sigh>

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

It's like real estate: rotation, rotation, rotation.

 

[28 Joker]

Here are some of Rafael Vela's (Blogging the Boys) comments about Spencer and Ellis:


Spencer knocked Ellis out of the starting lineup because Ellis can&#8217;t play the run anymore. On the contrary, nobody can run at Spencer. He blows up TEs and squashed anything coming right at him. He has not been the rusher they hoped for, but he&#8217;s been a starter for what, six games? His learning curve is Ware&#8217;s in reverse. Ware could rush immediately but it took until season three before he could hold the point of attack.

by Rafael Vela on May 22, 2009 12:02 PM CDT



1. Spencer missed the opening of the season cause he needed a scope in camp.
Ellis got the starts and played his way out of the lineup.

2. Ellis had serious converage duties? Don&#8217;t make me laugh. Yeah, he was used on Kellen Winslow, but he always had a corner or safety five yards on top of him. You make it sound like he could cover people one on one. Yeah, he had a pick on a pass that went through a Cincy TEs hands and hit him in the gut.

3. Did any teams have big games running at Spencer? No, they didn&#8217;t. And if you don&#8217;t like my tape, take KC Joyner&#8217;s. He told me Spencer is going to get some very good run defense ratings in his new book. To paraphrase Stephen Colbert, I guess you&#8217;ll say our tapes have a Spencer bias.

In Ellis&#8217; case, the Commanders gashed him, the Rams rolled him and he lost his first and 2nd down duties in that Giants game.
Spencer may or may not be all that. We&#8217;re going to find out a lot this year. But Ellis was declining rapidly last year and his mouth isn&#8217;t helping him at all.


by Rafael Vela on May 22, 2009 1:17 PM CDT


I read these in the comments section. I'll get the link.


http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/5/22/883202/the-valley-ranch-review-greg-ellis#comments

 

[FLcowboy]

If Spencer wasn’t such a bum he would have started his first season. Tired of getting my hopes up for this guy. He has all the talent to be a top player but the brain cells are MIA. So when is Bobby going to explode?

I like the way you cut to the chase. Once a bum, always a bum.

 

[FLcowboy]

Here are some of Rafael Vela's (Blogging the Boys) comments about Spencer and Ellis:


Spencer knocked Ellis out of the starting lineup because Ellis can’t play the run anymore. On the contrary, nobody can run at Spencer. He blows up TEs and squashed anything coming right at him. He has not been the rusher they hoped for, but he’s been a starter for what, six games? His learning curve is Ware’s in reverse. Ware could rush immediately but it took until season three before he could hold the point of attack.

by Rafael Vela on May 22, 2009 12:02 PM CDT

Well that's an interesting comparison, one I hope to agree with. If Spencer can do the rush, then Rafael once again hits a home run with his observation.

 

[28 Joker]

Well that's an interesting comparison, one I hope to agree with. If Spencer can do the rush, then Rafael once again hits a home run with his observation.

I respect his work. I scan the comments looking for his thoughts.

Yeah, and taking Spencer out in pass rush situations doesn't exactly make him a better pass rusher.

Spencer is strong against the run. I have defended this aspect of his game, because he has been very stout in run defense.

 

[21Savage]

Here are some of Rafael Vela's (Blogging the Boys) comments about Spencer and Ellis:


Spencer knocked Ellis out of the starting lineup because Ellis can’t play the run anymore. On the contrary, nobody can run at Spencer. He blows up TEs and squashed anything coming right at him. He has not been the rusher they hoped for, but he’s been a starter for what, six games? His learning curve is Ware’s in reverse. Ware could rush immediately but it took until season three before he could hold the point of attack.

by Rafael Vela on May 22, 2009 12:02 PM CDT



1. Spencer missed the opening of the season cause he needed a scope in camp.
Ellis got the starts and played his way out of the lineup.

2. Ellis had serious converage duties? Don’t make me laugh. Yeah, he was used on Kellen Winslow, but he always had a corner or safety five yards on top of him. You make it sound like he could cover people one on one. Yeah, he had a pick on a pass that went through a Cincy TEs hands and hit him in the gut.

3. Did any teams have big games running at Spencer? No, they didn’t. And if you don’t like my tape, take KC Joyner’s. He told me Spencer is going to get some very good run defense ratings in his new book. To paraphrase Stephen Colbert, I guess you’ll say our tapes have a Spencer bias.

In Ellis’ case, the Commanders gashed him, the Rams rolled him and he lost his first and 2nd down duties in that Giants game.
Spence may or may not be all that. We’re going to find out a lot this year. But Ellis was declining rapidly last year and his mouth isn’t helping him at all.


by Rafael Vela on May 22, 2009 1:17 PM CDT


I read these in the comments section. I'll get the link.

Vela's comments echo mine from the last thread I made. People have been acting like Spencer hasn't shown anything. He's shown a whole lot in run D. He's stout in there and is really hard to block. He's also gets in on way more plays on runs to the middle of the D than OLBs normally should.

He's also been very steady in pass coverage. Here's too hoping his pass rush comes around. He just as to be more aggressive in pass rushing (especially with his hand fighting). Too often, he's too content to dance with the OT and shadow the QB.

 

[khiladi]

Spencer has already played well. It was the two runs against the Ravens that made it appear he has not, but those runs were blown assignments by everybody. Spencer is going to be a beast, in my opinion.

 

[burmafrd]

ware was doing a very good job of blowing up the run by the end of his SECOND year. Hopefully that was just a typo on Rafs part.

 

[RS12]

I've made a thread in the past that I though Spencer has been everything we expected in run D and pass coverage but just hasn't turned the corner yet as a pass rusher.

In addition to that, watching game tapes of Ellis rushing the passer last year, it was clear he didn't have the elite speed needed to run by RTs, but his bull rush was still way better than Ware's -the old man has a sick bull rush and a game like the 2nd Commander game comes to mind where he just about pushed the RT back into Campbell on nearly every passing play. He was noticeably a better pass rusher than Spencer, which is why I thought he'll no doubt be on the team this year.

Add these together, with Wade's defensive philosophy, knowing he'd be one to sacrifice run D before he did pass rush, and it's clear that Spencer must have been showing a lot in terms of rushing the passer. We could argue that the rookies will also be a factor, but I doubt we'll be going into the season relying on rookies for that role.

I've only had doubts about Spencer's pass rushing skills. But now, it looks like the coaches share none of those doubts.

probably just as much that Ellis act has worn thin. One less locker room lawyer good for chemistry.

 

[Clove]

I expect big things from Spencer in 2008.

Meanwhile, I expect to never see Ellis again in a Cowboy uniform. They drafted all of those OLBs, that's Ellis' que. (cue "per Hostile")

 

[Idgit]

I like Spencer, but BAL didn't seem to have any trouble at all running right past him.

 

[speedkilz88]

I like Spencer, but BAL didn't seem to have any trouble at all running right past him.

They also didn't have any trouble running right past and through Zach Thomas, Bradie James, Marcus Spears, Jay Ratliff, and Ken Hamlin.

 

[Hostile]

Meanwhile, I expect to never see Ellis again in a Cowboy uniform. They drafted all of those OLBs, that's Ellis' que.

Cue actually.

I agree. I've been saying so since January. I was more convinced than ever after the Draft.

 

[jobberone]

There was nothing wrong with Ellis's play last year. The question is 'is there a pass rusher in the new guys or someone else besides Spencer, Ellis and Ware'. And 'can we do without Ellis this year'.

There is not enough problem with Ellis to get rid of his production. It's taking a roster spot from a new guy and costing more money. Mostly the first.

 

[Clove]

There was nothing wrong with Ellis's play last year. The question is 'is there a pass rusher in the new guys or someone else besides Spencer, Ellis and Ware'. And 'can we do without Ellis this year'.

There is not enough problem with Ellis to get rid of his production. It's taking a roster spot from a new guy and costing more money. Mostly the first.

Ellis is WAY to stiff to be running around covering Tight Ends/Running backs. He's just not very good at it, and he's a solid pass rusher, but not at applying constant pressure.