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Emmitt Smith/Jerry Rice Double Standard (BTB)

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Thomas82, Aug 9, 2020.

  1. bandfan

    bandfan Well-Known Member

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    Oh, and since some other sports have been mentioned, Roger Federer never has had an offensive line worth dang....
     
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  2. PJTHEDOORS

    PJTHEDOORS Well-Known Member

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    So you'd take a prime Jim Brown over prime Bo Jackson?
     
  3. Bigdog

    Bigdog Well-Known Member

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    And Tom Brady. Landry wanted Rice in that draft and did not think any other team knew about him due to the small school he came from. The Cowboys were total disarray when he was picked just ahead of them. They honestly did not have a backup plan.
     
  4. Super_Kazuya

    Super_Kazuya Well-Known Member

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    There no such thing as “prime Bo Jackson”. He never even started 10 games or had a 1,000 yards in a single season.
     
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  5. PJTHEDOORS

    PJTHEDOORS Well-Known Member

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    Ok. Prime Herschel Walker then.
     
  6. DFWJC

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    Not quite apples and apples there.
     
  7. Nav22

    Nav22 Well-Known Member

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    Emmitt was the engine behind 3 Super Bowl wins and was MVP in 1 of those games.

    He was NFL MVP in a year in which he missed the first 2 games. Dallas started 0-2. Emmitt ended his holdout and Dallas promptly went on to win their 2nd straight Super Bowl.

    All-time records held by Emmitt:

    - Career rush yds
    - Career rush attempts
    - Career rush TD (2nd-most total TD behind Rice)
    - 1,000-yard rushing seasons
    - 100-yard rushing games
    - Rush TD in Super Bowls
    - Rush yds in playoffs
    - Rush TD in playoffs

    Also consider that his all-time Rush yds (18,355) and Rush TD (164) records may NEVER be broken. Like, EVER.

    Most Rush yds among active RB:

    Frank Gore - 15,347
    Adrian Peterson - 14,216
    LeSean McCoy - 11,071

    Most Rush TD among active RB:

    Adrian Peterson - 111 (53 behind Emmitt)
    Frank Gore - 79 (less than half of Emmitt’s total)
    LeSean McCoy - 73

    If there was a Tom Brady/Jerry Rice of running backs, it’d definitely be Emmitt.

    There’s no other player in NFL history who has dominated his position’s all-time ranks like Emmitt has (not to mention has the championships to back them up)... and yet isn’t universally known as the GOAT of his position.

    Part of that is because Emmitt played for the most hated team in the league.

    Barry Sanders never won squat and holds exactly 0 all-time records, yet he gets more love than Emmitt almost universally. Barry was the GOAT of quitting on his team and turning a positive gain into a loss of 3, I’ll give him that.
     
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  8. QuincyCarterEra

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    Kareem has more MVPs, more all defense, more all NBA.

    Karen's accolades outshine Jordan's, and he's never mentioned in the top 3 of NBA players. I do like how you tried to find a way to fit your narrative though by combining finals MVPs and season MVPs lol, it was inventive.
     
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  9. Nav22

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    Finals MVPs mean nothing to you?

    Pippen’s 6 rings mean the same to you as Jordan’s 6 rings?

    Not true about “nobody” putting Kareem in their top 3. ESPN, Bleacher Report and CBS all put out a list this year, and they each put Kareem at #3.
     
  10. QuincyCarterEra

    QuincyCarterEra Well-Known Member

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    They don't mean nothing(that was never said) they don't outweigh all the other accolades that Kareem has over Jordan.

    A regular season MVP is worth at least 3x that of a finals MVP though to be sure.
     
  11. Nav22

    Nav22 Well-Known Member

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    Highly debatable, considering Finals MVP generally goes to the best player on the championship team.

    In 2016-17, Russell Westbrook won MVP before getting knocked out of the 1st Round. Kevin Durant won Finals MVP and is twice the player Westbrook is. Who had the better season???

    Being the best player for a 6-time champion... vs being the best player for 2 titles and the 2nd-best player for 4 titles is a HUGE difference.
     
  12. QuincyCarterEra

    QuincyCarterEra Well-Known Member

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    My reply should have been:
    Do all-NBA, all defense, and all star appearances mean nothing to you?
     
  13. QuincyCarterEra

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    Not debatable at all lol.

    It's being the best player out of roughly 20 players for a 4-7 game span, or being the best player out of 300 players for an 82 game sample size.

    That's just silly.
     
  14. QuincyCarterEra

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    Ahh so Andre Iggy had a better season than Lebron the year he won finals MVP by default?

    Didn't think so lol
     
  15. atlantacowboy

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    You can be a cowboy fan without being a homer. Statistically, Emmitt is the most prolific rusher of all-time........ by stats. BUT, he was not the most talented or gifted and thats what these discussions about GOAT revolve around. If you could have any RB in their prime, you taking Emmitt over Jim Brown? Walter Peyton? Barry Sanders? Earl Campbell? Most NFL fans who have seen all 4 guys would put Emmitt behind these rbs. Heck, I'd take Tony Dorsett over Emmitt.

    In contrast. When you see Jerry Rice on a football field, its easy to see that he is unique. Nobody has ever had his combo of hands and route running. In an all-time fantasy draft, he's going #1 at WR.
     
  16. CATCH17

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    Randy Moss > Jerry Rice
     
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  17. gjkoeppen

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    I will agree that the RB position may be the physically toughest position although both the offensive and defensive linemen have contact on every play, but most agree that the overall toughest position in all of sports is the QB. They have to have both physical talents and mental abilities. Most other players only need worry about what their responsibilities are and where they are to go but the QB has to know where every player is.
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  18. atlantacowboy

    atlantacowboy Well-Known Member

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    Nope. Not even close.
     
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  19. gjkoeppen

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    This is true. Brown led the league in rushing all but one year of his career. That's 8 years out of 9. No other RB has come anywhere close to dominating the league like that. That being said, Emmitt is still the best because a RB's job is primarily running the ball and Emmitt has the most career yards.
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  20. jazzcat22

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    Also Barry Sanders had 3 pro bowl / all pro OL. 2 before he got there, 1 after, and was a high draft pick.

    Nate Newton said they were no body until Emmitt got there, and Emmitt made them pro bowl players.
    But yet no one wants to talk about that. And no 1st round draft picks at OL.
     
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