Emmitt Smith says we are fine at RB

[Doomsday101]

Look, this isn't merely a guessing game. The Cowboys utilized hard numbers to analytically predict what Murray's future would hold. If you aren't a believer in analytics then I'm not going to convince you otherwise.

I'm not sure the Cowboys did that, what they did do is choose not to pay 8 mill a year for a RB. If Dallas choose not to sign him based on your theory they would not have made any big offer but they did. Just not what Philly was offering

 

[JoeKing]

I'm not sure the Cowboys did that, what they did do is choose not to pay 8 mill a year for a RB. If Dallas choose not to sign him based on your theory they would not have made any big offer but they did. Just not what Philly was offering

It's not "my theory" Will McClay has states several times this is what they did and derived from the analytics, a threshold on the money they could offer him. They were still very fond of Murray, he just wanted too much money.

 

[DFWJC]

I'm not sure the Cowboys did that, what they did do is choose not to pay 8 mill a year for a RB. If Dallas choose not to sign him based on your theory they would not have made any big offer but they did. Just not what Philly was offering

No addressed to me but I'll chime in....they based their offer on his future expected value--which was based on analytics.
That offer was lower than Murray wanted.

 

[Doomsday101]

And if they are wrong on Murray? I think the notion it is easy to replace is hogwash. As Emmitt has said and Garrett has said it is not a plug and play position. I think the likelihood of Murray falling apart next season is ridicules he is in great shape and his last carry will have been 6 months ago.

 

[Hardline]

Did anyone inform Emmitt that 2 other running backs in Oakland averaged more yards per carry than McFadden with the exact same offensive line?

 

[jobberone]

Well, I decided not to shell out money for a RB with this OL I don't expect too much of a change as long as we can get some dirty yards. Of course they stop consulting me years ago. I just managed to luckily hit on the same process they came to.

We'll be fine and more explosive with the RBs we have. Randle and Dunbar are threats to take it to the house and I wouldn't be surprised Williams is as well. McFadden is a poor man's Murray. A good RB may end up getting cut and go to another team and contribute. That's a good problem to have IMO.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This is really a two way street. The Cowboys elected not to pay what Murray wanted and he left. I am all for people going out and trying to make what money they can. Got no issue with that but, it is also possible that Murray has made a bad choice and will regret having left Dallas for Philly. Make no mistake, he is going to have to have a better season then he did last year to be accepted in Philly. He's a former Cowboy, he's replaced a very popular player in Philly and he's making a lot of money. The chances of him ever duplicating what he did here in Dallas, in Philly, are pretty slim IMO. Everybody did what they did. That's fine but it is a two way street.

 

[JoeKing]

And if they are wrong on Murray? I think the notion it is easy to replace is hogwash. As Emmitt has said and Garrett has said it is not a plug and play position. I think the likelihood of Murray falling apart next season is ridicules he is in great shape and his last carry will have been 6 months ago.

The art of analytics is not an exact science of predictive outcome but it has proven to be correct most of the time by its very nature. There is a reason every casino in the world absolutely prohibits it's use in their establishments. Those that can do it in their mind have a decided advantage, The Cowboys made a business decision based on the best analytical information mankind can provide. They are rightfully willing to let the chips fall where they may.

 

[Doomsday101]

This is really a two way street. The Cowboys elected not to pay what Murray wanted and he left. I am all for people going out and trying to make what money they can. Got no issue with that but, it is also possible that Murray has made a bad choice and will regret having left Dallas for Philly. Make no mistake, he is going to have to have a better season then he did last year to be accepted in Philly. He's a former Cowboy, he's replaced a very popular player in Philly and he's making a lot of money. The chances of him ever duplicating what he did here in Dallas, in Philly, are pretty slim IMO. Everybody did what they did. That's fine but it is a two way street.

I think expect 1800 plus yard from any back in a given year is far fetched. Heck AP went over 1800 1 time in his career. I also highly doubt Murray will get the same workload in Philly as he did last season in Dallas. I think if he puts up good numbers and is able to convert in the redzone something Philly has struggled with fans will accept him.

 

[Doomsday101]

The art of analytics is not an exact science of predictive outcome but it has proven to be correct most of the time by its very nature. There is a reason every casino in the world absolutely prohibits it's use in their establishments. Those that can do it in their mind have a decided advantage, The Cowboys made a business decision on the best analytical information mankind can provide. They are rightfully willing to let the chips fall where they may.

Yes when all things are equal, yet if go to each individual RB and look at the entire picture not just carries and you will see reason outside of the 400 yard mark why an individual player failed. People throw up Eddie George? The guy avg 4.1 yard a carry 2 times in his career he was a career avg 3.6 yards a carry and his yardage no doubt he was a work horse but he put up his 2nd best season 2 years after his 400 yard carry season. Dallas not signing Murray for 8 mill a season I get that and have no issue with it. What I dispute is those who think after 1 season now Murray is going to just fall apart because of 300 some odd carries 6 months ago

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't view this as a "Murray vs. McFadden" thing or a "Murray vs. Randle" thing...

The Cowboys are going to know relatively quickly which back or backs are going to be helpful going forward and who can carry the load and who can't. A few practices will tell the tale. And if that "guy" isn't there now, there will be someone or someones who'll be brought on and given a chance. And there's no doubt in my mind that there's a back out there, who is either on the roster, is available as a FA or who can be acquired without spending a fortune who can give this team 200 carries and a 4.5 YPC average.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I think expect 1800 plus yard from any back in a given year is far fetched. Heck AP went over 1800 1 time in his career. I also highly doubt Murray will get the same workload in Philly as he did last season in Dallas. I think if he puts up good numbers and is able to convert in the redzone something Philly has struggled with fans will accept him.

Correct.

Especially with his injury history and he has two decent backups who are going to get carries.

 

[Doomsday101]

Correct.

Especially with his injury history and he has two decent backups who are going to get carries.

Thing is I would not expect 1800 in any given year by any RB out there. Even AP will he break 1800 this year? Maybe but it is highly unlikely that is a very big season for any RB.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think expect 1800 plus yard from any back in a given year is far fetched. Heck AP went over 1800 1 time in his career. I also highly doubt Murray will get the same workload in Philly as he did last season in Dallas. I think if he puts up good numbers and is able to convert in the redzone something Philly has struggled with fans will accept him.

You have more faith in Philly fans then I do Dooms.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Thing is I would not expect 1800 in any given year by any RB out there. Even AP will he break 1800 this year? Maybe but it is highly unlikely that is a very big season for any RB.

Of course not.

1,800 yards is well off the bell-curve.

 

[Doomsday101]

You have more faith in Philly fans then I do Dooms.

Fans who booed Santa? Not that much faith. I think if there are any realistic fans in the area that they would know that 1800 in a season is not something even the best back to play the game will put up. I think what should be expected is a RB who is producing in the run and pass game and giving them better production in that redzone where Philly has left a lot of points on the field over the last few season.

 

[JoeKing]

Yes when all things are equal, yet if go to each individual RB and look at the entire picture not just carries and you will see reason outside of the 400 yard mark why an individual player failed. People throw up Eddie George? The guy avg 4.1 yard a carry 2 times in his career he was a career avg 3.6 yards a carry and his yardage no doubt he was a work horse but he put up his 2nd best season 2 years after his 400 yard carry season. Dallas not signing Murray for 8 mill a season I get that and have no issue with it. What I dispute is those who think after 1 season now Murray is going to just fall apart because of 300 some odd carries 6 months ago

Well then we'll just have to take our vitamins and hope to survive the period of time it takes to prove Murray's fate one way or the other. Good conversing with you Doom. Have a great day, good sir.

 

[Doomsday101]

Well then we'll just have to take our vitamins and hope to survive the period of time it takes to prove Murray's fate one way or the other. Good conversing with you Doom. Have a great day, good sir.

As I said I understand the Cowboys not wanting to pay 8 mill that was more than I would have paid had I been in the Cowboys front office.

 

[JoeKing]

Training camp can't get here fast enough.

 

[Blackspider214]

They didn't really. The backups had better averages on fewer carries, but didn't fare better as starters.

For instance, Latavius Murray started three games last season and averaged 4.9, 3.7 and 3.7 in those games (but had 12 or fewer carries in two of those games). In his only two games with more than 20 carries he averaged 3.3 and 3.7.

Maurice Jones-Drew started one game and averaged 1.2 yards on nine carries.

Fair point. I have just seen his production take a nosedive for the past 3 or 4 seasons. Seems concerning especially with the shelf life for RBs these days.