ESPN: Adam Schefter - Is Jason Garrett gone after this season?

[SportsGuru80]

As bad as I want to see him gone after this season... Something keeps telling me that Jones won't be smart enough to dump his ***.

 

[phildadon86]

If I have to watch this stale offense for another year I might take a year off from football, at least for the cowboys anyway.

The defense is a complete mess, but this offense and its teacher is what has held us back all these years IMO.

I want Romo for just one time, one stinking time to be coached by a true OC that knows his stuff.

He was coached by a real offensive coordinator one time already. When sporano was the real brain behind garretts "genius". Ive never seen Romo play as well as he did in Wades first season. After sporano left, it all went to hell.

 

[85Cowboy85]

I really don't care much if he stays or goes. Just based on what Jones said I think he stays.

If we do fire him I hope we go after a defensive minded head coach. Jerry clearly does not have any idea of how to build a defense so we need another voice in the front office.

Then maybe Mike Shanahan for offensive coordinator? I wouldn't hate it but who knows if he wants to be a coordinator at this point in his career.

 

[Aven8]

I like Marinelli and Biscotti but agree otherwise

My only keepers as well.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Like I said in another thread, I think it is pretty simple. Just take a look at the number of empty seats the final home game. If you see a lot, that means the Cowboys under Garrett regressed this year and are playing a meaningless game to close out the season. The fan base would be thoroughly disgusted and Jerry Jones would have to witness it in his own house. Garrett would be fired the next day.

Hopefully, the Cowboys are playing a meaningful game to close out the season. And Garrett might stay. However, if during this meaningful game, the offense stinks up the joint, Garrett will be gone imo.

And, no, Garrett will NEVER EVER get another head coaching job in the NFL. Never.

 

[ufcrules1]

I'll take that bet.

You would lose. Don't ever underestimated JJ's stupidity.

 

[Wolf2k5]

Im probably going to get slammed by many members here for even posting these stats but I found them interesting. Look at some of the greats and how they started their HC careers.


Bill Walsh
1979-1982
24-33

Tom Landry
1960-1964
18-46

Bill Belichick
1991-1993
20-28

Jimmy Johnson
1989-1991
19-29

Jason Garrett
2010-2013
28-26

Ill Agree some great coaches on that list but how many bad coaches got their 3 years of mediocrity and were never heard from again? Because their record just showed they were not more than average.

 

[Beast_from_East]

lol JG isnt going anywhere.

And what if you are wrong?

 

[Beast_from_East]

Look, this last game was amateur hour at it's worse. You cannot keep the guy.

One of the worst coached games I have ever seen at any level of play...............................pure incompetence on national tv.................even Aikman could not stand by and not say something the way Garrett botched it.

 

[dupree89]

the thing I will say about Walsh and Jimmy Johnson...

walsh first 3 years: 2-14, 6-10, 13-3

johnson's first 3 years: 1-15, 7-9, 11-5

see the trend?

Belichick not so much. the year before he took over, the Browns were 3-13...
his first 4 years: 6-10, 7-9, 7-9, 11-5.
trended in a good way, but a year longer.

Landry I think was way too long ago to compare his beginning.

Cowboys before Garrett's first full year was 6-10...partially of his doing.
and after that: 8-8, 8-8 and ?? probably 8-8.

**Also, you cant bring up Walsh's early record without saying that in his 3rd year he won the super bowl.

 

[Beast_from_East]

yeah. Thats pretty much what I was waiting for.
Those guys started off much more poorly than JG but they have valid excuses so its OK.
Of those guys listed only one has a winning record after 3 years...
Is it likely that JG will be one of the greatest coaches that ever lived? No, probably not. He did take a team that was 1-7 and establish a winning record but lets can him because he hasnt made a deep playoff run after taking control of a one win team that quit on the previous coach.

As the official head coach of the Dallas Cowboys.

2011................8-8
2012................8-8
2013................7-7

This is not "establishing a winning record"......................this is proving you are nothing more than a mediocre coach.

 

[bysbox1]

Typical. Where exactly did I say he was special? If fact I think I mentioned that it is unlikely that he (or anyone) can reach the status of some of those greats that I mentioned. What I did point out was stats and how those ranked as the greatest ever had miserable starts to their HC careers, far worse than JG who actually has a record (slightly) over 500. Thankfully there were guys that didnt think like yourself in charge and saw fit to stay with them and see what played out and it turned out to be a good idea.
That all being said, at this point there is no way to know if JG will ever prove to be worth a damn.

What's missing from here is the talent that Landry, Jimmy Johnson, and Bellicheck had those first four years. While Garrett inherited a 1-7 team, the core was pretty good. Most those guys were from a winning team before 13-3 in 2007, 9-7 in 2008, and 11-5 in 2009. Garrett did not start coaching an expansion team like Landry, or rebuild projects like Jimmy, Walsh and Bellicheck. He picked a team full of talent off of some successful seasons. As a matter of fact, it could be argued that Jerry did not give Wade a chance since the had 3 winning seasons before the 1-7 melt down and went to the playoffs twice. Garrett has had 3 seasons of mediocrity and no playoff appearances with a similar talent base.

If you go by what Jerry has done in the past with Phillips, this should be a win the division or get fired situation for Garrett. Garrett has used up his chances.

You can't compare those stats unless you look at the whole picture.

 

[bysbox1]

As the official head coach of the Dallas Cowboys.

2011................8-8
2012................8-8
2013................7-7

This is not "establishing a winning record"......................this is proving you are nothing more than a mediocre coach.

This.

 

[Sarge]

You would lose. Don't ever underestimated JJ's stupidity.

lol - true..

 

[Zekeats]

It really doesn't matter. Jerry as GM = Failure. No matter the head coach

I don't agree with this 100%...

Yes it was all new with the JJs in the late 80s and early 90s but I believe Jerry was always sticking his head in there even that early in owning the team and that is what ultimately made Jimmy leave.
Parcells came in and coached here and did a hell of a job starting with a team with NO talent and was successful and allowed to do his part coaching wise. I firmly believe that John Gruden would be the perfect fit for this team. Nobody thought Parcells and Jerry would ever get along and it didn't work out to bad if you ask me.

 

[ufcrules1]

lol - true..

Looks like I misspelled underestimate, but you knew what I was saying.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I realize Jerry is mentally unstable but surely even his pickled brain realizes his days are numbered & he needs to bring a competent coach to Dallas. And the Jason Garrett's of the world aren't getting it done now or in the future.

 

[Dodger12]

yeah Im not as sure about it as I was before Sunday but I just dont see JJ eating his words.

Is this your first year following Jerry and the Cowboys?

 

[tecolote]

Im probably going to get slammed by many members here for even posting these stats but I found them interesting. Look at some of the greats and how they started their HC careers.


Bill Walsh
1979-1982
24-33

Tom Landry
1960-1964
18-46

Bill Belichick
1991-1993
20-28

Jimmy Johnson
1989-1991
19-29

Jason Garrett
2010-2013
28-26

To be fair, you can also compare him to Rich Kotite, Wayne Fontes, Jim Zorn, Dave Campo, etc. That list is a lot longer.

 

[TTexasTT]

the thing I will say about Walsh and Jimmy Johnson...

walsh first 3 years: 2-14, 6-10, 13-3

johnson's first 3 years: 1-15, 7-9, 11-5

see the trend?

Belichick not so much. the year before he took over, the Browns were 3-13...
his first 4 years: 6-10, 7-9, 7-9, 11-5.
trended in a good way, but a year longer.

Landry I think was way too long ago to compare his beginning.

Cowboys before Garrett's first full year was 6-10...partially of his doing.
and after that: 8-8, 8-8 and ?? probably 8-8.

**Also, you cant bring up Walsh's early record without saying that in his 3rd year he won the super bowl.

lol well,
Walsh went on and had a losing season again the next year, then Bilichick had two 5-11 seasons.
See a trent here? No there really isnt one. So, Landry doesnt count because it was too long ago... lol
6-10 was partially his doing? Agreed. 5 of those 6 wins were with him at HC.

Anyway, I simply pointed out the start of those other HCs careers but those that dont like JG just want to point out why those other guys get a pass. Honestly I dont care is JG is here or gets fired as long as the team gets better. I dont want to suffer through a lot of losing seasons in hopes of it all coming together one day. I think JG can get it done as well as anyone who is available.