ESPN Clayton: Titans mulling trade options

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I would think that they will make the deal by the draft. We have three weeks to wit. if its after the draft and they are waiting for July to increase his value then well have to wait even more.

He wants to come here and I would think a team would think twice about getting him if he doesnt want to go there.

The Titans don't have to do anything right now and if they would like to get more then they are doing what they should. it sucks for us but oh well well probably get him in the long run anyway.

 

[DBoys]

I would think that they will make the deal by the draft. We have three weeks to wit. if its after the draft and they are waiting for July to increase his value then well have to wait even more.

He wants to come here and I would think a team would think twice about getting him if he doesnt want to go there.

The Titans don't have to do anything right now and if they would like to get more then they are doing what they should. it sucks for us but oh well well probably get him in the long run anyway.

Good points.

I just don't see teams giving up anything conditional for him (Player, Pick). Titans already know there is no interest in Pacman outside of the Cowboys. Hopefully they were waiting for the owners meeting to sit down and get it done.

 

[cowboyrock]

Jerry doesn't often get taken in a deal...

Yes he does.see the Joey Gallaway trade. and the Drew henson trade.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Yes he does.see the Joey Gallaway trade. and the Drew henson trade.

No he doesn't. You mentioned two of dozens of trades he has made.

He doesn't often get taken in a deal at all.

 

[cowboyrock]

No he doesn't. You mentioned two of dozens of trades he has made.

He doesn't often get taken in a deal at all.

Name the good ones he's made. it was Jimmy Johnson, who pulled off the Hershal Walker ans Steve Walsh trades.name one trade since Jimmy retired that was really good. trading and skiping Steven Jackson for J.Jones and Marcus spears, was a terrible trade. name one.

 

[lspain1]

Yes he does.see the Joey Gallaway trade. and the Drew henson trade.

Silverbear didn't say never.....

I won't defend the Galloway trade, but for Henson, Jerry had reasons for taking a shot. Not all 3rd rounders pan out...particularly at QB.

As far as the Titans and Adam Jones are concerned, the Titans have every incentive to let this drag out a bit. Dallas is clearly interested and that fact alone might entice other teams to become involved in the bidding. The only negative for the Titans is if Jones screws up again and gets himself a lifetime ban. The Cowboys probably wanted a quick deal, and the Titans were/are smart enough to "slow roll" the whole thing.

We'll see.

 

[TEUFELI]

Name the good ones he's made. it was Jimmy Johnson, who pulled off the Hershal Walker ans Steve Walsh trades.name one trade since Jimmy retired that was really good. trading and skiping Steven Jackson for J.Jones and Marcus spears, was a terrible trade. name one.

Remind me what that steve walsh trade was...

 

[miamicowboy21]

Name the good ones he's made. it was Jimmy Johnson, who pulled off the Hershal Walker ans Steve Walsh trades.name one trade since Jimmy retired that was really good. trading and skiping Steven Jackson for J.Jones and Marcus spears, was a terrible trade. name one.

Julius jones and spears were parcells moves. Remember jerry had to overrule parcells because he wanted to take spears before Ware.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Name the good ones he's made. it was Jimmy Johnson, who pulled off the Hershal Walker ans Steve Walsh trades.name one trade since Jimmy retired that was really good. trading and skiping Steven Jackson for J.Jones and Marcus spears, was a terrible trade. name one.

The trade with Philly to get another 4th rd pick and get Canty. The trade with Philly to get Anthony Spencer.

Not all trades are big time trades. Some of the lesser trades are for the day 2 picks.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Julius jones and spears were parcells moves. Remember jerry had to overrule parcells because he wanted to take spears before Ware.

How do you determine which is a Parcells pick and which is a Jerry pick? I think it's nonsense when both have to come to some sort of agreement to do the deal.

Jerry wanted Canty, Parcells wanted Barber. An extra trade and they both win.

 

[Hoofbite]

Name the good ones he's made. it was Jimmy Johnson, who pulled off the Hershal Walker ans Steve Walsh trades.name one trade since Jimmy retired that was really good. trading and skiping Steven Jackson for J.Jones and Marcus spears, was a terrible trade. name one.

way to give the Head Coach, Jimmy Johnson the credit for one of the best trades in sports history and then not blame the Head Coach, Bill Parcells for one of the poorer trades as of late.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

Actually, I'm getting kinda pissed at the Titans right now. If we offered them a bag of chips for Pacman, they should be jumping at it. Now it seems as even though they aren't going to keep him, they want more for him. "Oh, he is a first round player, we should get some serious compensation for him." Ummm, yea, and we should just give you our draft for a guy who is a lap dance away from being suspended for the league permanently. Just take the trade and move on, and be happy that you get something in return, especially a player.

My feeling is that Pacman is likely to be reinstated. So if I were the Titans, I would wait for that and then try to trade him because his value would be much higher with more teams bidding on him. Of course there's the chance he isn't reinstated this year, but if it's a choice between a 7th and AA this year, or a 4th next year, I would take the risk of having to wait until next year to trade him.

 

[cowboyrock]

My feeling is that Pacman is likely to be reinstated. So if I were the Titans, I would wait for that and then try to trade him because his value would be much higher with more teams bidding on him. Of course there's the chance he isn't reinstated this year, but if it's a choice between a 7th and AA this year, or a 4th next year, I would take the risk of having to wait until next year to trade him.

Bottom line. we need to not let this pacman stuff stop us from drafting a CB in the first round. do not give up much for this guy. and draft as if you wont have him on this team.if it's true we have offered them a player and a 2nd day draft pick. that should be it. do not get into a bidding war for this guy. if that's what the titans want. then it's time to move on.

 

[Woods]

My feeling is that Pacman is likely to be reinstated. So if I were the Titans, I would wait for that and then try to trade him because his value would be much higher with more teams bidding on him. Of course there's the chance he isn't reinstated this year, but if it's a choice between a 7th and AA this year, or a 4th next year, I would take the risk of having to wait until next year to trade him.

One thing that I would mention is that only a handful of teams in the NFL MAY have success in also helping PacMan keep his nose out of trouble.

We have had success reclaiming some players like Tank and TO, though they didn't have as many problems as PacMan.

But my point is that with Calvin Hill, we actually have a program in place to specifically help players like PacMan.

Most NFL franchises are not set up as well as we are to undertake this risk.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Silverbear didn't say never.....

I won't defend the Galloway trade, but for Henson, Jerry had reasons for taking a shot. Not all 3rd rounders pan out...particularly at QB.

As far as the Titans and Adam Jones are concerned, the Titans have every incentive to let this drag out a bit. Dallas is clearly interested and that fact alone might entice other teams to become involved in the bidding. The only negative for the Titans is if Jones screws up again and gets himself a lifetime ban. The Cowboys probably wanted a quick deal, and the Titans were/are smart enough to "slow roll" the whole thing.

We'll see.

The Henson trade was not a bad trade. He had every single aspect that you would want from a quarterback from a physical standpoint and he is very very smart. He just couldnt think fast enough on the field to be effective. he was worth a shot and we needed a QB. There was a reason that so many people were high on him and it wasnt becasue of that 3rd rounder.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

One thing that I would mention is that only a handful of teams in the NFL MAY have success in also helping PacMan keep his nose out of trouble.

We have had success reclaiming some players like Tank and TO, though they didn't have as many problems as PacMan.

But my point is that with Calvin Hill, we actually have a program in place to specifically help players like PacMan.

Most NFL franchises are not set up as well as we are to undertake this risk.

That's interesting that you have a program to help troubled players. Maybe the Skins should do something like that. Was it in place already when you acquired Dimitrius Underwood?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That's interesting that you have a program to help troubled players. Maybe the Skins should do something like that. Was it in place already when you acquired Dimitrius Underwood?

i think it was around that time with Spellman and him that the program was started. Their problems were mental as they were schizophrenic even though it manifested into legal issues.

Calvin Hill is an impressive man.

 

[speedkilz88]

That's interesting that you have a program to help troubled players. Maybe the Skins should do something like that. Was it in place already when you acquired Dimitrius Underwood?

Underwood is bi-polar(so is Alonzo Spellman), thats something that can only be controlled by medicine and its difficult for an athlete to compete taking those medications and sometimes the person will even convince themselves they don't need it and stop taking the meds which then leads to problems.

 

[Woods]

That's interesting that you have a program to help troubled players. Maybe the Skins should do something like that. Was it in place already when you acquired Dimitrius Underwood?

I think so, yes.

He was bi-polar, and that was tough (if my memory serves me correctly).

We have hit on some guys and missed on others.

But I think JJ feels comfortable taking these risks because he has a program in place. JJ often talks about C Hill and the program when he's being interviewed, etc.

JJ has supposedily put in quite a bit of money into this program as well, so he says.

That's one of the reasons he takes these risks. He feels it would be "wasted", in a sense, that even with his program, the Cowboys didn't try to take advantage of situations that come up every now and then.

I am a bit surprised more teams haven't set up these types of programs as well. Well, maybe they have, but I haven't heard of any others.

 

[dbair1967]

Name the good ones he's made. it was Jimmy Johnson, who pulled off the Hershal Walker ans Steve Walsh trades.name one trade since Jimmy retired that was really good. trading and skiping Steven Jackson for J.Jones and Marcus spears, was a terrible trade. name one.

we were never going to take Steven Jackson anyway, so get over it...why? Because BILL PARCELLS DIDNT WANT HIM

as for trades since Jimmy left, seems that Terry Glenn deal worked out alright didnt it? we moved down a few spots last yr and netted a 1st and 2nd rd pick for our 1, that was pretty good...

David